Ironic CDPR choice to not delay again was probably due to fear of the blowback of another announcing delay, and here we are.
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Go watch the clip. She called negative articles about CDPR clickbait. If you're a professional like Jason and someone bashes your work you're allowed to defend yourself. Of course she's entitled to her own thoughts.
On the other side of that, how far does it have to go for some of these shills to even remotely think this maybe something they should take seriously? Does someone in a dev team need to come away with serious mental/physical harm from overwork? Is it going to take a suicide from depression? Cause it seems like everything below that is fair game as long as they get their AAA open world game.
Look i want to play Cyberpunk too but there is no question that its being made with shitty worker treatment and weird transphobic elements among a litany of other things.
No ethical consumption under capitalism being what it is, whether you end up playing it anyways, at least be honest with yourself about how it was created and at what cost.
No ethical consumption under capitalism being what it is, whether you end up playing it anyways, at least be honest with yourself about how it was created and at what cost.
No problem, also wanted to add for posterity that contract workers are also often employed on short term basis, i.e. a few months or till the end of a project.
So you really want to make sure you stand out as a "hard worker" every time you're up for renewing your contract or if you're hoping to be considered for any of their future projects. It only takes 1 bad impression to potentially ruin your future chances of employment. This is how "optional" = "mandatory", in a lot of cases specifically in the games industry.
That is downside of people just posting one random tweet out of many, you need go to his account and read some his other tweets about this.
Basically he wants to see back and forth discussions from all sides, not one side forcing another to stay silent etc.
Yeah not really getting where she is coming from with this. She implied the headline was clickbait, he responded saying it wasn't with receipts and then she says he it isn't nauced enough because he didn't speak to every single employee (lol what?) and is now sending a mob after her? I don't think he named her specifically and didn't @ her. She is coming off really bad. People's need to stan for a corporation is really something.
It upsets me that some people just assume he's not "brave" enough to report on it. Why would he be afraid to do so, what would he have to lose?
Both stories can be true. It's not either or. Some employees were fine with it while others hated it. No matter the industry, you'll find people who will clock out at 5 on the dot, and people who will work late into the night. However management should make it clear that people who value a good work/life balance aren't being penalized for exercising that right. If people want to work overtime then also let them do so.
The gaming industry needs better journalists. Not one or two that end up being celebrities. If you have a single "Celebrity" journalist to cover anything from development hell to crunch, you are going to have a fucking problem.
The industry needs to be a LOT more transparent, there should be a fuckton more people covering games with investigative pieces.
The industry needs to be a LOT more transparent, there should be a fuckton more people covering games with investigative pieces.
Gaming journalists getting into petty bullshit arguments on twitter, which Jason is regularly involved in, is kind of pathetic. They know what kind of "fans" are out there, and what lengths they are willing to go to when they feel like defending something or attacking someone. There was no need for GI to take the stance they did, and there was no need for Jason to escalate it further. They should be working together, not opening each other up for further harassment than they already receive.
When a rich corporation is showering you in gifts (re: bribes) you're supposed to defend them even if it means losing all integrity, I guess.
- Jason gets called out by company.
- Defends himself without calling any individual in particular
- You come out making it clear it was you who holds this opinion/said it.
- All this is in twitter which is extremely public.
- Get comments from ravid fans who all saw it in their twitter's home page
- "THANKS FOR SENDING YOUR GOONS AT ME"
That's not how this works. Yes fuck the ravid fanboys/fangirls attacking her, but it's not the responsibility of Jason who follows him and what they do when it's all being done in the public eye.
I guess where I'm struggling in this conversation is if the suggestion is the GI individual is lying about what they heard?
"We make sure crunch is a choice.
A choice we will keep in mind when we do promotions and layoffs."
A choice we will keep in mind when we do promotions and layoffs."
It really isn't. The japanese literally work themselves to death. It's not justified by cultural boundaries.
Jason literally did nothing but defend himself when his work was attacked and called clickbait. Liana sought the smoke and is now mad that Jason actually responded.
The staff is lying because they were paid to do so for the sake of the product. It is incredibly simple and happens often, even if it's shady and stupid as hell.
Who cares honestly. This is such subterfuge to distract from CDPR being shit.
Of course it's GI.
Pretty much this. How the fuck did he send his goons out at her? She PUT HERSELF in the line by replying to him and blasting him.
Pretty much this. How the fuck did he send his goons out at her? She PUT HERSELF in the line by replying to him and blasting him.
Just curious, is there a single tweet in response to this one that's bashing her in any significant way? Or is it all well wishers and people who shit on Jason?
Or is it like all blocked somehow?
I have little faith that the gaming industry will mature if this is how industry professionals act.
Calling this "bribes" suggests some level of cloak-and-dagger that simply isn't present here. GI has been hyping CDPR and doing cover stories for them all year. They are trying to drive subscriptions and secure ad-deals. It's in their business model to defend the big players in the industry. There's nothing that needs to be done in the shadows.
Love that Game Informer is sticking up for a company who was pleased with their preview! Not suspicious at all!
And what exactly is she refuting? Cause ive watched this section of the podcast twice now and don't see anything here that contradicts Jason's reporting. The one important highlight that can be taken from this is that from her sources there was apparently discussion that took place between upper management and the devs on their options before this 6-day work week came into affect. If that is true, and Jason knew about that, I would find it highly concerning that it was not included in his initial report because a detail like that is absolutely worth being part of the report. We will likely never know, or atleast won't know until after cyberpunk is released. But again: nothing is being refuted, she was adding to the conversation by giving accounts by other CDPR devs who clearly have a different outlook to the devs that Jason has spoke to.
Ive watched the clip plenty. She literally said they are not clickbait in the clip, so I recommend that you go watch it yourself.
Real questionable stuff to try discredit reports on crunch makes me question why someone would do that?
Cause without a real fucking good reason that seems irresponsible at best and malicious at worst.
Cause without a real fucking good reason that seems irresponsible at best and malicious at worst.
It's because Jason blocked him after he replied to Jason being against unionizing.
Jason has some of these people shook. As others have said why don't they state his "agenda"? They don't because they know he is right. These influencers are just to comfy sitting in their cyber punk chairs to go against the people that give them free stuff. It is so blatant what these people are doing.
Nobody is forcing crunch fans to stay silent though. Someone said that the crunch reports were clickbait, got refuted fairly by someone with dev sources without naming anyone's Twitter account or name, and she proceeds to go on the reporter's timeline naming him and herself repeatedly under the defense that she wasn't naming people... it already was poorly thought out from when the CDPR defense was said, but looks even worse when she made it into a Twitter argument against herself she claims Jason sent her way. He made no attempts to stop the discussion or to send anyone to her account like she claims (she actually was blocked for some petty bullying by him days ago), and only pointed out his reporting is factual.
the crunch defenders undermining legit Dev complaints look bad. Jason didn't silence her or bring her to his Twitter feed. And the guy Hoeg is replying to is the guy who said Kotaku should be blacklisted for not respecting game marketing campaigns and letting the fun facade stay intact, so he isn't credible to me.
You can say that you've spoken to CDPR employees who disagree with the framing of the article without saying the article was clickbait. She overreached in her comment and Jason is correct to point to his sources and defend his reporting. Jason sometimes does petty things on twitter but in this instance he's absolutely acting like a professional and the takes criticizing him are highly suspect
it's funny that there are so many people on this board defending crunch -- like okay some people may want to work a ton but many people don't, especially when they are forced to, and in this instance, thy were even lied to about it no more crunch next year by the studio head. this kind of worker abuse has been publicized in the industry all the way back to the EA spouse blog with companies mistreating workers, and especially lower level ones.
so much corporate bootlicking going on here. if there's some kind of dispute between big employers and workers usually resetera is in in agreement with the workers -- but when that employer happens to make a highly anticipated game...all bets are off
also, if you're going to denigrate someone's reporting calling it clickbait, don't be surprised when that person responds, even if they don't you
so much corporate bootlicking going on here. if there's some kind of dispute between big employers and workers usually resetera is in in agreement with the workers -- but when that employer happens to make a highly anticipated game...all bets are off
also, if you're going to denigrate someone's reporting calling it clickbait, don't be surprised when that person responds, even if they don't you
I blocked that Hoeg guy because he kept spamming his videos in replies to all of my tweets. I don't know who this Nick guy is. This is exhausting.
I can't speak for Jason, but everytime he has been attacked it's been by people who are not used to someone doing investigative reporting and not being a fucking ad mouthpiece for publishers and developers to promote the game.
No, they can hear some employees like crunch but the context was saying that is evidence Jason was writing clickbait and that the report was overblown. None of the reporting on crunch is false from Jason. And no, some devs being happy with crunch doesn't bear weight on the reporting. She was wrong. Her claims are wrong about Jason's reporting and he fairly refuted it.
... but I really really like Cyberpunk!
I mean it is so transparent. Any other dev and the attitude would be "hang em high." But because CD Project is so beloved, let's not rush to judgment, let's look at it from all the angles, and so on.
Publishers giving gifts and free swag in the form of goodwill towards their product is not a new concept. It isn't even hidden anymore. It's a bribe, despite whatever corporation tells you otherwise.
If their business model purely exists to defend big players in the industry, as opposed to the indie developers that are actually moving said industry forward, then it's a terrible business model to begin with - especially if the defense is for a company known for their acceptance of bigotry.
Seriously, "but money!" is a poor excuse.
Thanks for clearing this up Jason. And again, thank for your reports of the inner workings of the industry
The point is crunch is bad and The publisher went back on their word. Who cares that some employees want crunch when the employer will take the word of those few and impose that ideal on everyone unfairly at the expense of their personal lives/health or their job. It's not rocket science.
No but you know how it goes
Jason tweets something
She pops in there to say she wasn't talking about his article (but all the articles that spawned from it)
His fans take it upon themselves to defend his honor with death threats to her because ....well people are shit.
In what way is Jason being a bully lol... Not a good look from Gameinformer.
Also sucks about Parris, I'd like him to explain exactly what "agenda" is being pushed...?
Also sucks about Parris, I'd like him to explain exactly what "agenda" is being pushed...?
Block as much as you need to. Your reporting is excellent and important.
I believe she has her own sources inside of CDPR who spun the story the way that she presented it. I believe that Jason has his sources who spun a contradictory take. Both can be be true at the same time, because guess what, people are all fucking different and have different opinions and takes on things. You can't interview or speak to one person, or three people, or ten people, and then submit a sentiment as representative of an entire company with thousands of constituent employees.
I don't like the situation at all. Liana should have just stopped talking and replying. That's on her. Jason also completely lacks tact or grace (and always has). He does great reporting, but for some reason people who respect him cannot admit that he can be a condescending asshole who refuses to respectfully engage in disagreements. He does consistently, subtly, go out of his way to "expose" anyone who contradicts him as less-than, and his last line of defense is always his source or his sources. Again, he does great work, and yes he has sources, but if you speak to 50 people who express feeling A, you can't discount or dismiss 50 people who express feeling B because it doesn't corroborate your headline.
At the end of the day I do respect Jason for his reporting, but he does lean into controversy for clicks. He understands perfectly well that juicy headlines travel farther and faster than balanced headlines, and hot takes are far more viral than nuanced takes. He has built his reputation (here most of all) for leaking projects and exposing the darker side of the industry, and sometimes his reporting does hurt or silence people who work in development, marketing, PR, or even customer support at these companies, who otherwise want to love their fucking jobs, but feel like they can't do so publicly without being written off with statements like "well they're obviously paid to think that way," or "I'd say that too if I was afraid of getting fired," or "shilling at it's finest!" I'm speaking from personal experience now, as someone who has both covered the industry and worked within the industry. (Can I admit, too, that I've done the exact same thing? When you have sources come to you to report something they've experienced, you don't downplay the controversy simply because other people at the same company are getting on just fine. People don't pay you to write headlines like "X Company Initiates Mandatory Overtime, Many Employees Okay With It Though.")
But now I'm beginning to digress. It's just a painful situation to watch. Liana is a passionate person who doesn't know when to stop clicking into the reply box, and Jason is a great reporter who simply can't resist a juicy "gotcha." My two cents, anyway.
I don't like the situation at all. Liana should have just stopped talking and replying. That's on her. Jason also completely lacks tact or grace (and always has). He does great reporting, but for some reason people who respect him cannot admit that he can be a condescending asshole who refuses to respectfully engage in disagreements. He does consistently, subtly, go out of his way to "expose" anyone who contradicts him as less-than, and his last line of defense is always his source or his sources. Again, he does great work, and yes he has sources, but if you speak to 50 people who express feeling A, you can't discount or dismiss 50 people who express feeling B because it doesn't corroborate your headline.
At the end of the day I do respect Jason for his reporting, but he does lean into controversy for clicks. He understands perfectly well that juicy headlines travel farther and faster than balanced headlines, and hot takes are far more viral than nuanced takes. He has built his reputation (here most of all) for leaking projects and exposing the darker side of the industry, and sometimes his reporting does hurt or silence people who work in development, marketing, PR, or even customer support at these companies, who otherwise want to love their fucking jobs, but feel like they can't do so publicly without being written off with statements like "well they're obviously paid to think that way," or "I'd say that too if I was afraid of getting fired," or "shilling at it's finest!" I'm speaking from personal experience now, as someone who has both covered the industry and worked within the industry. (Can I admit, too, that I've done the exact same thing? When you have sources come to you to report something they've experienced, you don't downplay the controversy simply because other people at the same company are getting on just fine. People don't pay you to write headlines like "X Company Initiates Mandatory Overtime, Many Employees Okay With It Though.")
But now I'm beginning to digress. It's just a painful situation to watch. Liana is a passionate person who doesn't know when to stop clicking into the reply box, and Jason is a great reporter who simply can't resist a juicy "gotcha." My two cents, anyway.
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It's a very absurd whataboutism that makes no sense if you spend any time thinking about it. Like he also didn't break the story about abuses against employees at Ubisoft, you know why? Because Ubisoft is a French company and a French journalism outlet broke that story. He doesn't speak French and his understanding of French labor law and French labor culture is probably that of a layman, better for journalists who speak the language and are part of that culture do that investigative work. He's one guy and can only do so much reporting.
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