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I'm sure some employees at CDPR were happy to crunch, it's not uncommon in the industry. But I'm sure their internal employees and external partners who don't want to crunch love that decision, since they are all now being forced to crunch as well.
That's the problem with crunch, workaholics don't see the problem while everyone else sacrifices because they lose their jobs or they lose future contracts if they don't crunch. In crunch culture, employees choosing to crunch literally peer pressure other employees into sacrificing their marriage, time with kids, time with family and/or mental health.
By choosing to crunch and support ineffective project management methods, you are hurting your entire team.
That's the problem with crunch, workaholics don't see the problem while everyone else sacrifices because they lose their jobs or they lose future contracts if they don't crunch. In crunch culture, employees choosing to crunch literally peer pressure other employees into sacrificing their marriage, time with kids, time with family and/or mental health.
By choosing to crunch and support ineffective project management methods, you are hurting your entire team.
Lmao. how interesting they name game informer on the e-mail christ.
This is absolutely true. In my industry those happy to crunch and work more than 5 days are hourly. Those of us salary though only get paid 40 hours a week. Any extra than that is horsecrap.
I like how this email regarding crunch even mentions GameInformer. Not a good look for GI.
From what I understand, they already crunch to death since the first delay.
Then they had a choice :
And I am pretty sure the family situation must be already terrible so I think you just hope the thing to stop the quickest possible, even if that means making it poorer a little more.
Then they had a choice :
- Do you want to continue to crunch to death 4 more months
- We increase the already awful crunch a little bit but we keep the launch
And I am pretty sure the family situation must be already terrible so I think you just hope the thing to stop the quickest possible, even if that means making it poorer a little more.
Yeah im misguided. Have you ever been to Poland? Have you ever worked a full time job before?
I don't see how this would in any way reflect poorly on Jason. He reported that they were crunching despite earlier reports that they would either not crunch or minimize it or whatever. Just because employees chose that over another delay doesn't really impact that fact. They aren't even saying what his report said was 'inaccurate,' just that it was a bigger deal than what was made out to do, whatever that means.
You ever make something for games?
You'd be surprised at how many people enjoy "crunching".
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Please remember some of the people in that video were gifted Cyberpunk gaming chairs (Alanah) and may not have an unbias opinion.
Additionally this in the business is called damage control. I trust Jason way more then someone trying to sell a product which is releasing soon.
Additionally this in the business is called damage control. I trust Jason way more then someone trying to sell a product which is releasing soon.
believing a hand-wavy mealy-mouthed bootlicking session from one person with vague sourcing vs someone who interviewed 20 developers and provides receipts. who dares.
That email is pretty damning.
Doesn't matter if some are fine with it, it should never ever ever be mandatory, and there is absolutely no defence for it, especially when you've already promised to the contrary.
Doesn't matter if some are fine with it, it should never ever ever be mandatory, and there is absolutely no defence for it, especially when you've already promised to the contrary.
Some of ya'll saying you choose to work overtime isn't the same as crunch. Crunch is pretty much mandatory. 12-14 hour days for months at a time. I doubt you would 'choose' to do that for 6 months straight even if the pay is good. It's not good for your health weather you choose it or not and people should straight up not be allowed to work like that.
this. It only took two replies to hit on it. You don't have to be uncomfortable with it to still be under it.I hate the "gotcha" type shit this starts.
It's news worthy when the head of the company promises no crunch and then you do it anyway. I doubt 100% of the people at CDPR all feel the same way about having to crunch. Jason obviously talked to some of them before writing the article.
I mean, they mention the report about crunching, which came from Jason lol. They may not have specifically named him, but there's no other report that could be referenced here unless there was another I was unaware of.
That they have to continue to do damage control on this report is heartening. This is progress, it's not happening in leaps and bounds but this kind of thing typically gets swept back under the rug the minute another round of trailers or gameplay reveals goes out.
But don't mistake it for anything other than damage control. Crunch is crunch.
But don't mistake it for anything other than damage control. Crunch is crunch.
Is overtime is US that much different from here in Uk and Eu.
I get asked I say yes I get paid it's my choice.
also why is crunch only frowned apon and hated in videogame industry it happens in tons jobs don't see multiple posts or articles complaining and saying it has to stop only with videogame companies
I get asked I say yes I get paid it's my choice.
also why is crunch only frowned apon and hated in videogame industry it happens in tons jobs don't see multiple posts or articles complaining and saying it has to stop only with videogame companies
Uh, holy shit.
If your company is sending out an email like this, there is absolutely a problem with crunch.
I don't, but I work in a high paying white collar industry where similarly brutal hours regularly happen. Just because some people are more ok with it does not mean they like it. No one likes having your whole life be working and sleeping, we just have no choice at times barring new employment.
It's not even just CDPR, because their decision to crunch impacts all their outsourcing employees too.
All it takes is about 20 people at the top deciding its crunch time in order to have over 1000+ people crunch on a project. That's why its a problem.
It does exist everywhere but this is a video games forum first and foremost.
Also, I gotta day the "as long as it's paid and voluntary " takes are so god damn annoying and kind of privileged because there's a lot of groups that can't do these working hours even if they are paid and it locks them not just out of potential promotions and advancement but out of industries all together. If you are ill or disabled, your body less likely to be able to take toll long hours do on your body. If you have dependants to look after, something in society is statistically much more likely to be women, you can't do those hours. And then there's the fact if you are a minority group you are much more likely to be lower paid so you don't get the same level of money for sacrificing your time and health, are also less likely to get a promotion for it and there's also going to be a lot more pressure for you to stay longer than anyone else as a way of proving yourself. This kind of work situations are only doable if you are in a somewhat privileged position and even then, they are a shoddy, shoddy deal that has permanent long term health impacts on your body and your relationships.
General comment, but I shouldn't drive-by post, it's insenstive to the subject, sorry.
she alluded to his work and she gets upset at him responding with receipts lmao
The key to the difference is in your post.
People don't get asked. They get told.
Well, It's a tough situation, having been on a project for years, sure, if you told me I'm getting paid for my overtime and I've been working on this thing for years, and it's coming out in 6 weeks, hell, I'd do it, forcing it is a very bad thing though. I don't think this is on the same level as those rockstar devs that crunch for months on end
Jason doesn't need to respond, he's right. Crunch is crunch, whether you agree to it or it's forced upon you.
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