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GameDaily.biz: Shawn Layden departs Sony amid restructuring confusion and potential power struggle. Third party source: "We're getting nervous."
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To be fair, so was Jack Tretton. But I guess we all have fonder memories of Jack because he was on stage during the Troubled Years when Playstation fans didn't have much to be happy about. Bonded by flame and such.
It's definitely not the author's intent. The biggest problem with industry-facing journalism is that most consumers see a piece of the story re-reported (not always correctly, form inaccurate opinions, and then the original writing's intent and meaning gets twisted). There is a severe lack of fluency among end-users when it comes to how the industry *actually* runs, and it is rarely more apparent when people apply emotional nonsense to factual reporting (even factual reporting that relies on background and anonymous sourcing).
User Banned (3 Days): Vilifying a Media Outlet and Antagonizing Another User Over Multiple Posts
I'm sure Gamedaily. biz (never heard of em) gotta hella clicks today on their clickbaity article..
I await credible reports from a credible guy like Jason or Kotaku before I believe any of this. Speculation at best, at worst, outright lies for hits.
Call me paranoid, but im not buying it. Worst of all, if it's a personal issue, God forbid Shawn or his family are dealing with an emergency or something, anything they dont want known in the public domain, and people write speculative drivel trying to stir a pot or fanboy war of some sort... that wouldn't be fair, and said site would need to apologize.
I await credible reports from a credible guy like Jason or Kotaku before I believe any of this. Speculation at best, at worst, outright lies for hits.
Call me paranoid, but im not buying it. Worst of all, if it's a personal issue, God forbid Shawn or his family are dealing with an emergency or something, anything they dont want known in the public domain, and people write speculative drivel trying to stir a pot or fanboy war of some sort... that wouldn't be fair, and said site would need to apologize.
I'm not sure i have ever seen someone who was not pretty cheesy at any of these companies, besides maybe peter moore...ok i forgot about the tats hes still awesome tho
the most crazy part is dismissing an actual reputable source like GameDaily.biz and choosing to rely on tabloid like Kotaku
Oh it's happend before in this beautiful industry called videogame journalism. People leaving a studio, speculation that a game is in jeopardy, but his kid was sick and he wanted to be near him. Oh, we've seen the credibility come full circle.
I just want more respectable sites comment on this.
Man oh man. ok bud. ;)
Blocked. I dont think its good to come into a thread and try stealthily bash people because they share a different opinion than you, especially based on an article on speculation. Given you're previous posts, I have to block you.
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EU is a more important market that Japan to Sony and what is the problem the controlling power being in EU?
When someone leaves under those stuff, you still get best wishes , hope everything turns out alright. This was a straight up firing. No time for a goodbye party, heres a cake.
Leaders tend to bring in people they know when they are promoted because they know what they can do, that helps bringing results faster than trying new people in. I have seen that all my professional life.
I guess Rumors are true.
He was the head of worldwide studios, so will have been very senior in terms of helping to define the portfolio of games on PS4 and what the sony studios were working on
comparing the both, Kotaku is the one with a higher likelihood of clickbait.
Do you even read what you're writing? Jesus.
I appreciate what you're going for here, but there's no reason to compare GD and Kotaku. They have different audiences, different staff resources, different editorial ethos, etc. Some of our peers at Kotaku do amazing work and enrich the industry. We source and credit them. We celebrate their journalistic achievements. We hope our peers do the same when we have our wins.
As for the person who doesn't think too highly of GameDaily, we broke the news about the Telltale layoffs, the Telltale assignment (closure), The ESA leaking the 2018 data, layoffs at GameStop/ThinkGeek, layoffs at Mixer, and more. That doesn't take away from Kotaku or Polygon or any of our other peers, and honestly, we should be lifting up good journalism, not tearing people down.
He clearly has no idea who I am, what I've done in my career, or how seriously I take my reputation. He can pound salt.
Consolidation of power in what way? I don't think this is about Europe getting better PSN discounts. These decisions are gonna be global by default. Studio acquisitions, trade show conferences, the future of PS Now, 3rd marketing deals, platform exclusivity, etc. Those are not regional decisions.
Sony is being distinctly quiet about one of its longest-running executives leaving the company. It's extremely unusual.
Just report him, sad to see a massive fanboy like that.
Great article, hard to see industry facing publications not taken seriously around here.
I've been saying for awhile that there's been a change in tone from Sony since Jim Ryan's rise over the past year but I thought it was a coincidence as I kind of feel like the tone shift may have even started a little before April 2018. Now I know that there was something to that feeling but also there's a lot more to it than that. Boy, 2020 is going to be a real interesting year for Sony.
To be clear, I am not the author. I just assisted vetting the sources. Johnny, the author, also has a long and respected career. That said, thank you. <3
Not sure what I'd report him for other than being insufferable.
Now is the time for Microsoft to pounce if they ever want to take a "lead" again. Organizationally, they're on the same page with Xbox internally, and now there is some quality talent out there to poach.
It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Will eagerly await the inevitable Press Sneak Fuck coverage
edit: in light of other posts in the thread, I'd like to clarify that I in no way am doubting the authenticity of the current article this thread is based on. Just expressing my appreciation for Jason's work in the industry
It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out. Will eagerly await the inevitable Press Sneak Fuck coverage
edit: in light of other posts in the thread, I'd like to clarify that I in no way am doubting the authenticity of the current article this thread is based on. Just expressing my appreciation for Jason's work in the industry
Because why would it? It's the not the biggest single market and the corporate headquarters isn't there. Hell there aren't even any note worthy devs there aside from mediamolecule. The US quite frankly is the best fit. The headquarters is already there and it's amongst other industry powers. Japan at least makes sense from a corporate standpoint. The EU doesn't.
What is this? What is up with people discrediting a site because they haven't heard of it before and are too lazy to look through anything else they have published?
Guerilla isn't noteworthy? It's not about which region has the best devs anyway.
At this point accusing the author of making things or dismissing the article as clickbait really should be a bannable offense. It fosters distrust in a reputable outlet, and adds literally nothing worthy of discussion. It's been 13 pages, and if these people doing this had any interest in actual journalism there have been plenty of educational posts.
It's intentional and willful ignorance at this point. Nothing but bad faith nonsense.
It's intentional and willful ignorance at this point. Nothing but bad faith nonsense.
The seat of Sony's development power right now is in the US, and after the Insomniac acquisition it's even more important for them to have someone in a high position on the West Coast. Moving their first-party leadership to Europe, a relatively tiny fraction of their output, seems foolish.
It's not that important nowadays when you can easily do skype calls and take planes (like Shu already does).
The switch from JP to US was more due to them putting more importance on western developers than JP devs, but there's no real difference between US and EU headquarters.
Looks like you and the other three adopted the tried & true method of picking out three words out of a larger context so you could add something profound to the effect of "well, duh".
I am fairly certain everyone knows how anonymous sources work and their contribution to journalism.
Everything else I said in that sentence should not be how it works. Do you see the responses in this thread? Exactly what was intended by posting the article with that headline.
They basically made his position redundant. 3rd party relations just became a yearly wire transfer to Activision.
Forgot about GG. Point still stands. There is nothing in the EU worth moving execs for. Naughty Dog, Insomniac, Bend, Sucker Punch, Santa Monica, the new studio. All in the US plus Activision, EA, Microsoft, Take 2. It's straight up weird to move to the EU.
Yep leadership location won't matter as much nowadays. What's more important is what leadership structure is put in place. As long as things are at least somewhat decentralized it should be fine.
I disagree. It's still important to have leadership in a position where they can easily visit developers and collaborate with them. Skype calls are not the same thing. They're nice, but they're not the same. Third party relations would also take a massive hit.
And considering Sony Europe has almost no studios and SCEA has a TON, it just seems ill-advised. I would lose a lot of interest in a Sony driven by the European side of the company, they make nothing that matters to me.
Whoa. I can assure you that this train wreck of a thread is not what anyone associated with that story wanted.
You think anyone wanted to watch their names get dragged through the mud for a report published earnestly and after careful vetting of sources?
Pretty interesting to see fake news claims infecting ResetEra. God forbid a story doesn't follow your narrative.
Do we know who was the major mover for everything that Playstation did this generation? I know Cerny was/is one of the lead designers but who is the one making up and enforcing policy? Keep that guy since the PS4 is doing great.
There's reason to compare when people start accusing GD of clickbaiting and rely on Kotaku, who's actually fresh off the controversy article about animated porn. They have amazing works, but they also have not-amazing works which pull them down.
You're right. I shouldn't have been so flippant. I've read up on the site and what they have reported on and it's impressive.
I have no doubt the merging of divisions was going to cause strife, people looking out for themselves and take a long time. A big name leaving was bound to happen.
I apologize to PaladinXII and the website.
Damn. I hope it's not all doom and gloom. That would almost seem scripted. Sony is vulnerable and Xbox comes in and takes over the generation. Why can't one company just figure out how to stay on top?
I just hope Sony keeps putting out awesome single player experiences.
I just hope Sony keeps putting out awesome single player experiences.