It's bonkers that you keep commenting on this without even having watched the show since the end of Season 4, which is widely agreed to be the last truly good season. What you're doing is quite incredible, really.
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Game of Thrones S8 |OT3| Best season evar. (FULL SPOILERS) (See Staff Post)
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It's bonkers that you keep commenting on this without even having watched the show since the end of Season 4, which is widely agreed to be the last truly good season. What you're doing is quite incredible, really.
I think the only part of the Council scene that made any sense whatsoever was Davos as Master of Ships, and even that sorta required ignoring his arc for the last few seasons being "Attach yourself to whatever authority figure is nearby". Pod being a knight was fine, albeit a bit random to be a Kingsguard.
Everyone else seemed to be there because the writers needed somewhere to place the remaining known characters.
I didn't like all your changes but overall it is much much better than what we got. Nicely done
Oh well, if you're that experienced then I bow my head to you and accept all you say as the one truth.
Maybe I would feel the same if I had only read wikipedia plot outlines, and then constructed the rest of the show, and people's problems with it, as a hypothetical tableau in my mind palace.
You can leave your cinemasins comparisons in the privy where you found them.
I don't know why anyone bothers discussing anything with someone that hasn't watched the last 33 episodes of the series. lol
The amount of internet content this season has generated is something we might never see ever again, on YouTube alone it seems that every channel is making multiple videos on the season and finale, even those who never make content on film/TV, are cashing in on the cultural phenomenon. Although, I wonder if by the time the first footage from the prequel comes out will we see a similar influx of content.
Nah. In isolation the scene is still bad.
It's barely passable as comic relief and none of it's delivered well or funny
The last episode just feels like such a dud. It doesn't feel like a spectacular send off or something that leaves you feeling full.
Neutering Bran's personality and rushing the Dany arc completely cut the legs off the finale.
Neutering Bran's personality and rushing the Dany arc completely cut the legs off the finale.
Why are so condescending over a show you haven't even bothered to watch?
Thanks. I need some closure–and I want to understand the ensuing memes–so I'll be there
Ever since I found out they hadn't watched the show, but were arguing in every thread, I've been intrigued. Are they sincere? A troll? A self assured teenager? A condescending old man? I want to see this character arc through, but I also don't want to do the work of reading or responding to every post. I just check in occasionally and do an info dump telling people how they should feel. D&D would be proud
Looool, OK. If you say so. This is some TLJ shit if I've seen it.
None of this tells me she hates the show, just that she was shocked by Dany's direction.
What is it with fans lately speaking on behalf of actors and what they feel like?
CinemaSins level critiques:
- Boy, I sure hope someone got fired for that coffee cup
- How did Grey Worm get there before Jon?
- Why didn't Khaleesi show her bewbs?
Also they usually completely miss the point of a movie's obvious themes but considering one of D&D think themes are for eighth grade essays, they'd probably be on the same boat.
Putting fans' criticisms on the same level as that when you haven't even seen the show you're defending is pathetic. Good peeps like Lindsay Ellis and Dan Olson have been ragging on season 8 too and they actually provide great, informative criticism.
- Boy, I sure hope someone got fired for that coffee cup
- How did Grey Worm get there before Jon?
- Why didn't Khaleesi show her bewbs?
Also they usually completely miss the point of a movie's obvious themes but considering one of D&D think themes are for eighth grade essays, they'd probably be on the same boat.
Putting fans' criticisms on the same level as that when you haven't even seen the show you're defending is pathetic. Good peeps like Lindsay Ellis and Dan Olson have been ragging on season 8 too and they actually provide great, informative criticism.
If I went into the Mass Effect 3 thread arguing how everyone was wrong to hate the ending of it after only playing the first 2 games I would've been banned. It's trolling while knowing less than Jon Snow. ;)
She died and yet Cersei, Jaime, the Mormonts, all those who died fighting the NK, etc, all had more impact from their deaths than her. Major character dies and suddenly time skip, and barely anyone mentions her after. That ending was not bitter sweet when you've got Sansa becoming the queen she's always wanted and Bronn (haha) getting everything he's wanted and then some. The Starks separate on their own accord. No one forced Arya to go exploring, no one forced Sansa to go independent, and no one forced Bran to take the throne. The only one this has been bitter to has been Dany, and Jon is the only that got what was genuinely bitter sweet ending.
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Been thinking about the ending and Dany's death a bit more.
I think if they had set up Dany's fall in Meereen it would have been more believable. They basically wrapped up that whole plot with a nice bow. It would have been better if Dany left it in a pile of rubble, and basically acknowledged she failed in some way to peacefully end the situation, but that Meereen wasn't the end goal, and her people in Westeros will open their hearts to her.
Dany comes and does some liberating, Jon comes and recruits her where she mirrors what Stannis thought, win over the hearts of the people and start in the North. While she does her bit with the dragons and the final battle, in the end, Arya (or better yet Theon) kills the NK and all is over. She feels accomplished, but not loved, goes to Kings Landing, isn't welcomed with open arms and from there goes into full blood Targ mode, Missandei doesn't need to die, Dany just needs to feel the full rejection.
I think if they had set up Dany's fall in Meereen it would have been more believable. They basically wrapped up that whole plot with a nice bow. It would have been better if Dany left it in a pile of rubble, and basically acknowledged she failed in some way to peacefully end the situation, but that Meereen wasn't the end goal, and her people in Westeros will open their hearts to her.
Dany comes and does some liberating, Jon comes and recruits her where she mirrors what Stannis thought, win over the hearts of the people and start in the North. While she does her bit with the dragons and the final battle, in the end, Arya (or better yet Theon) kills the NK and all is over. She feels accomplished, but not loved, goes to Kings Landing, isn't welcomed with open arms and from there goes into full blood Targ mode, Missandei doesn't need to die, Dany just needs to feel the full rejection.
My dude started out with smug "I'm SO surprised other people missed this thing I totally got" posts and has ever since upped the absurdity, I'd say there's really no question about it at this point. Either that, or he should really do some soul-searching.
But I guess it at least keeps the thread entertaining now that the memes are starting to dry out.
Dude, I can't believe you're still at this. Find a better use for your time?
Most small editing/continuity mistakes don't bother me, it's just the nature of doing something so big and complex.
However Grey Worm's teleport was one of the rare cases where it did bother me because it was so unmissable and managed to take me out of the show, which compounds later issues. It could have been easily explained if Jon and Davos had gone to do something else before arriving at Dany, but they're walking away from Grey Worm as he's executing Lannisters, then next thing we know he's at the top of the stairs waiting for Jon. Usually those sorts of mistakes you think about as a 'fridge moment', where you go 'waitaminute...', this was a case where everyone immediately went 'WTF?'.
In the grand scheme of things, fairly minor issue, but it's another one on the pile.
I agree on the rest of your comment, maybe swap in 'rogue water bottles' for the Grey Worm teleport =)
Hoping for some meme-worthy quotes to come out of the doc tonight. lol
This in and of itself wouldnt be an issue, if every episode wasnt completely filled to the brim with stuff like this.
It is really bizarre. I'm sure the poster has explained her/his rationale at some point in the past, but I'm struggling to think of any reason as to how it's okay and has gone on this long. Seems disingenuous as fuck.
User banned (2 days): Trolling.
I'm commenting on an excellent and well written scene, the reaction to which tends to confirm my suspicions. It seems that this wave of criticism, though there are undoubtedly flaws as there are in any dramatic presentation, is largely the expected fan guff. I haven't seen The Last Jedi either, but it seems to be much the same nonsense there. Even down to invoking the actors' opinions in support of a critique of the writing.
From more and more what I've gathered especially from comments from GRRM ... GRRM wanted 10 seasons ... D&D only wanted 7 seasons max. They had to be talked into doing 8 seasons by HBO, and I guess the warped compromise there was season 7 and 8 would be like half-seasons, but D&D seemed hellbent on not letting it go further than that.
Which is fine if they had a career plan outlined for themselves and that plan involved no more than 70-ish episodes for GoT, ok, fair enough. They didn't want to be stuck doing GoT forever and drew a line in the sand. But they should have then promoted someone else like Bryan Cogman + another one of the veteran writers to take over showrunning duties. But their ego got too big for that I think.
Rushing the finale of a slow burn show like GoT was always a recipe for disaster and that's predictably what happened.
They got arrogant in thinking everything they pooped out turned to gold that they thought they could pull off a rushed ending.
Which is fine if they had a career plan outlined for themselves and that plan involved no more than 70-ish episodes for GoT, ok, fair enough. They didn't want to be stuck doing GoT forever and drew a line in the sand. But they should have then promoted someone else like Bryan Cogman + another one of the veteran writers to take over showrunning duties. But their ego got too big for that I think.
Rushing the finale of a slow burn show like GoT was always a recipe for disaster and that's predictably what happened.
They got arrogant in thinking everything they pooped out turned to gold that they thought they could pull off a rushed ending.
I agree that it is a more legitimate complaint than something like the coffee cup/ water bottles but compared to the rest of the issues I have with the season it's completely small fry. I wonder if there was a scene in between the two Grey Worm encounters that was cut.
I read it. I think it is good, but people would accuse you of teleporting characters too. Sam is in Oldtown one episode reading about Azor Ahai and in Winterfell the next.
That's one of the tricky things about working with a story set on Westeros, getting the distances right.
This is a very minor complaint in the grand scheme of things, but when Dany is delivering her Hitler speech, where exactly is she? She's at the top of some huge flight of stairs somewhere? Is that near the Red Keep? Is it one of the entrances to the city? I don't think we've ever seen this location in the series before.
I'm convinced he is trolling. I'd suggest people just stop responding to him. He hasn't seen the show but based on Wikipedia entries he thinks he's right and everyone, including fans, critics, and cast, with specific criticism is cinemasins. It's eithet an incredible level of arrogance or trolling. Neither are worthy of further engagement. Leave him be.
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So have you watched only that scene on youtube and nothing else? Would you elaborate on what was so well written about it?
I've reported you by the way. I don't do that just because I disagree with someone but at best you're arguing in bad faith, at worst you're outright trolling.
There was no real way around this while remaining within the constraints of 13 episodes across seasons 7 and 8. It's a dumb thing, but it's something the show has been doing for years at this point and is a minor issue when compared to the full-scale character assassination and contrived plot points.
I think it's either in front of the Red Keep or a courtyard within it. To be honest, I don't think they've done a very good job with the geography of King's Landing throughout the series that makes things like that confusing.
To be fair, as long as the distances are referenced I think it'll be fine.
Nobody really complains about the teleporting in the earlier parts of the show. Jaime and Cersei was at the Red Keep talking as they watched Jon Arryn's corpse. The next few minutes they are at Winterfell.
I started reading BDS's rewrite during the previews for Aladdin but I haven't finished yet. I did reread the first sentence a few times. Where would Arya have found a copy of the letter that Lysa sent. Wasn't the original burned as soon as it was received without anyone else seeing it? Or am I misremembering?
Someone else had a similar idea apparently. Have you read this?
I enjoyed it, much better than what we got but the dialogue is a little hammy at times
Grey Worm teleporting as he did is particularly bad as we saw him in a different part of the city earlier in the very same scene. But I never really found the fast travelling in the show in general as egregious as msot people.
Certainly, it's bad in that earlier seasons spent entire to multiple seasons showing one character crossing the country, but GRRM made Westeros absurdly large. The distances between towns and cities are far larger than any real life medievela country would have ever had.
If you're gonna have a multi-state political story focusing on different cities and arcs combining, you're gonna need to skip travel times over large distances. Even Tolkien did that with skipping over characters riding for 3 days straight and so on.
This is peak Era, some dude arguing with others about how "great" a season of television is that he hasn't ever watched. And then, if that weren't enough, swatting down everyone's criticisms and complaints as stupid despite, again, having not watched 33 episodes of said TV show.
There's no saving Greyworm's teleporting in the finale, even with the teleporting issues in the latter seasons, most of them can be explained away fairly easily.
Would've been better if Greyworm arrived soon after Jon did. But we had to have that stare-down apparently. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Also GRRM's really bad at distances lol. The Wall is far too huge too.
I personally would love to hear decitrig give us the low down on D&Ds star wars movie. I know they probably are only in first drafts but with the uncanny ability to evaluate material before ever having experienced it, I would love to know what kind of story theyre working on and how well written it is. You could probably make quite a bit of money giving that material to movie sites.
The teleporting up until beyond the wall could be explained with time jumps. I always took it as enough time had passed that characters could get to where they were. Greyworms in this episode is inexcusable. And it would have been so easy to just edit it out, because it literally served no fucking purpose whatsoever to have it in there. Its only inclusion is to literally pull viewers out of that scene and at best is just another superfluous shot of the character side eyeing jon without further establishing anything important to the story. How this wasnt cut in editing is baffling.
700 foot high wall and acting like wildling arrows would do anything to those on top of it. lol
From my experience of him he's just a contrarian. His viewpoint ALWAYS goes against the most commonly held belief. I think that's his thing.
Edit: I'll edit with that I got this opinion from his antics in the Doctor Who OT of the last series, widely regarded to be pretty bad sans one or two good points, but he loved it all. Curiously he also blamed entitled fans there too.
