the NK was a show creation and Arya defeating him was a DD decision. that's probably going to be the biggest difference between the books and the show.
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Game of Thrones S8 |OT2| Please do not post spoilers here - assume all episodes have been leaked - spoiler tag all future episode speculation
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the NK was a show creation and Arya defeating him was a DD decision. that's probably going to be the biggest difference between the books and the show.
But why would she be the song of ice and fire? It's a nice thing until you think about it beyond its surface.
I actually find this kind of cool.
FTFY
Yea it's actual foreshadowing.
I like it too. That line ("How did you sneak up on me?") stood out to be as a bit weird, but this gives it context. Certainly intentional.
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as many dumb meme things the show has done
I wonder if Ser Twenty of house Goodmen will be a real character that defected to Cersei after the Boltons died
I wonder if Ser Twenty of house Goodmen will be a real character that defected to Cersei after the Boltons died
The Bran theories are ridiculous but let's not start assuming that criticism of this episode stems from a dissatisfaction of not having one's crackpot theories play out.
There is a lot wrong with how they resolved this series-long conflict, not the least of which is the fact that the Night King accomplished very little in his conquest. One of the undercurrents to the incessant conflicts between the families of Westeros is that their squabbles, however important they may seem, matter very little in the grand scheme of things due to the true threat beyond the Wall. Instead of heeding this ominous threat, they choose short-sighted gain, leaving the realm in tatters following the War of the Five Kings just in time for Winter and the Others to descend. This is not just true for families like the Lannisters, but also for characters like Varys and Littlefinger, who work behind the scenes to sew chaos and weaken the realm to aid their own designs at usurpation through Aegon and Sansa, respectively. Again, the entire backdrop to this is that these mortal squabbles are ensuring certain catastrophe at the hands of the ignored immortal threat.
S8E3 throws all of that out of the window. While we see our heroes finally band together to face this threat, the theme of the Seven Kingdoms suffering for the mistake of overlooking the coming storm (again, arguably the primary theme of the series) is thrown entirely out of the window by an abrupt end to the Night King and, as it turns out, his entire army of wights and Others. In the end, the Night King accomplished very little, and we get to see no pay off for what has been built up for years.
There is a lot wrong with how they resolved this series-long conflict, not the least of which is the fact that the Night King accomplished very little in his conquest. One of the undercurrents to the incessant conflicts between the families of Westeros is that their squabbles, however important they may seem, matter very little in the grand scheme of things due to the true threat beyond the Wall. Instead of heeding this ominous threat, they choose short-sighted gain, leaving the realm in tatters following the War of the Five Kings just in time for Winter and the Others to descend. This is not just true for families like the Lannisters, but also for characters like Varys and Littlefinger, who work behind the scenes to sew chaos and weaken the realm to aid their own designs at usurpation through Aegon and Sansa, respectively. Again, the entire backdrop to this is that these mortal squabbles are ensuring certain catastrophe at the hands of the ignored immortal threat.
S8E3 throws all of that out of the window. While we see our heroes finally band together to face this threat, the theme of the Seven Kingdoms suffering for the mistake of overlooking the coming storm (again, arguably the primary theme of the series) is thrown entirely out of the window by an abrupt end to the Night King and, as it turns out, his entire army of wights and Others. In the end, the Night King accomplished very little, and we get to see no pay off for what has been built up for years.
Dany should enlist the help of Ser Twainty Gudmen to sabotage Cersei's army now that she lost her dothraki horde.
But, you didn't fix anything. The questions remain unanswered and then you made guesses as to the answers of the rest. But, even those guesses couldn't answer the question. How does it take 1,000 years to build a new army when his power is to literally raise the dead? How was he even pushed back the first time giving how unstoppable a force he seems to be?
You see with Sauron we know exactly how he was defeated, his goals, where he came from, where he lives, what he's been doing all these years, and his weakness.
I'm trying to think of final boss tier villains who weren't stopped when they were on the verge of succeeding and taking over. The only one that comes to mind is Palpatine.
Yup. And now, all he has are awkward moments.
I actually enjoyed Bran's arc up until season 7
I obviously don't think she is at all and even the show runners have said as much. But she executes the Tarlys and people point at that and go "there she goes being the mad queen". Yet stannis was burning people at the stake and wasn't being called the Mad King. People should be consistent.
Also, people seem to give a helluva lot of leeway to the Starks as far as how they view their methods of vengeance and the villainy of their enemies. Rose Bolton and the Tarlys did the exact same crimes. Both turned on their liege lords and betrayed them (Olenna not being the head of House Tarly doesn't matter, the murder of both Papa Tyrell and Margeary means that that tarlys are oath bound to avenge them), and both of them sided with the crown against the major house they were allied with. I've seen people refer to the Tarlys as just normal Westerosi lords that Dany just executed, and yet you'd be hard pressed to find anyone refer to Rose Bolton as a normal Westerosi lord.
Dany executes Tarlys with dragon fire, and that's cruel. Arya poisons and kills a whole room full of Freys, and we watch as they slowly choke on their own blood, and I have not seen one person refer to that as cruel.
I love the Starks and I was right there with millions of people cheering as the Freys and Ramsay got their just desserts. But I'm not going to pick and choose when and where certain acts are cruel and when they are not based on which characters I like.
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I dunno, maybe it makes sense that the 3ER is evil. Apparently the NK wants to kill the 3ER. But what then? Maybe they just stop after that. Only Bran kept saying the NK would kill him and the rest of the world but can we trust him?
We don't know at what age the previous 3 eyed raven became what he was though. As far as too much warming goes, since the previous 3er was stuck in a tree, it looked like he was in warg mode most of the time, until it was time to talk to someone in reality
Yeah, that's all that I can come up with. I guess Bran too? The Arya "How did you survive a knife to the heart" scene is just confusing. Does she know? If yes, why wasn't Jon surprised given that he hasn't told anyone? If no, why wasn't she more surprised or curious? And who told her?
You ignored / edited out the rest of my post that explains the one sentence you quoted.
There is a LOT of room in between the Night King succeeding <--------------------------------------> the Night King only conquering Last Hearth
a few years ago on Reddit there was a joke post on Reddit asking "if you took over arya right after she got the 3 names to kill who would you choose to most fuck with the faceless man?"
people were saying Brynden Rivers(the three eye raven before bran) leaf, wun wun, quaith, the emperor of yi ti, a random brindled man in sothyros, and the great other...
And a faceless man actually killed the closest thing to the great other
people were saying Brynden Rivers(the three eye raven before bran) leaf, wun wun, quaith, the emperor of yi ti, a random brindled man in sothyros, and the great other...
And a faceless man actually killed the closest thing to the great other
Oh my GOD, this is incredible
This is basically every GoT community right now lol
The villain in the film ****
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He's literally a monster made to combat man that turned hostile against everything. It's the frankenstein situation.
As someone who quite clearly doesn't speak english of any kind, he makes upside down crosses which essentially spell out
"I remember what you did to me"
This is doubly true because he's a greenseer like the 3ER
He and the 3ER share the same ability. Out of every source of information in the world the 3ER is the definitive source of information. The air of mystery comes from the fact that he's 1000 years old. You're expecting logical neat answers from an illogical monster. It;s like asking why the boogeyman scares children. Or why Sauron or Voldemort want to take over the world. When the answer is simple:they're the embodiment of evil.
No WW don't talk, he's literally a 1000 years old and his exposure to humanity is people he's killed and converted into wights or whitewalkers
No
Does Skynet have a purpose after all of humanity is killed?
Beyond the wall
Building the biggest army in the history of the world
Storytelling is at it's best when it starts when shit is going down. As such, does it actually matter that he was doing nothing but gathering an army?
Does this matter outside of adding more info to a wiki entry?
DOES THIS MATTER?
Do these questions matter for the story when we were only shown the event where he was turned into a WW
Yes
Wouldn't you know, the side of the argument I'm on, is also on Cap's side, the side I was on for that movie.
It's Poetry. It Rhymes.
Nobody knows what you are spoiling until you click it lol
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All this is fun but I'm not buying any of it. The writing has been really bad for awhile especially last Season I doubt they go the route of something complex that would only appeal to those that are really paying attention. Much easier to just have some gathering more troops stuff, a war for Kings Landing and a power struggle between Danny and Jon with some back stabbing and plotting. Maybe we get Gendry as the real King as a twist or Bran at the end after the war saying "just as a planned muhahaha," but that's bout it.
So you agree that it's an incredibly rare occurence for the heroes and villains to do their "this is our one desperate hour chance" clash and for the villain to win?
Shit, well a title of a film should be ok to mention right? I'll remove the spoiler tag lol.
Villian doesn't have to win the entire thing. Look at the last two marvel movies for how to make heroes win and lose
Awesome, thank you for sharing. Perhaps the frustration people are feeling at the abrupt conclusion really is because the long night has only had its prelude. That would turn out to be a twist only the most dedicated lore fanatics could predict.
Personally a little annoyed I now know some movie I've planned to watch has a huge twist, and I specifically know the context. Or at least it seems like it.. hopefully not lol
Soo... how about just not mention some modern movie's twist in a thread that isn't about movie twists?
I'm aligned with my side too. Tony and WW storyline> Cap and Cersei storyline
There aren't second chances or
huge consequence reversing infinity stones and Captain Marvel
In GoT the scenario presented is literally one where the good guys or even the less bad guys can't win without specific circumstances. And even the heroes in the story are aware of this. This was an all or nothing chance. Spelled out in the first twenty minutes where we see them get steamrolled.
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I never thought I would say GoT should look to marvel movies to be more interesting but you are 100% right
Someone mentioned that they called episodes 3,4, and 5 one story. This was the beginning arc of that story.
Not to be confused with the Night's King who existed in the time of heroes in the books I believe.
Yes, and was a human who took an Other as a consort and ruled as Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, not a human turned into an Other by the Children of the Forest.
Why does he then seem to have emotions and feelings like happiness, spite, revenge, and laughter?
How do either of these things? (Outside interviews are not allowed)
How do you know this?
How do you know this? Since when can the 3ER raise the dead? Since when can the NK see the past, present, and future?
How do you know this?
Re; Whether he seeks to rule the world?
How do you know this?
Yes, we've litereally had movies where Skynet has spoken to the audience about its plan.
Where?
Why did that take 1,000 years? And, why was his army so small after 1,000 years of building?
Same question as above.
Yes, as it suggests an intelligence and desire beyond simple killing.
Re: Crastor's Children
Yes, as it relates to how fast he could build an army. And, the number of WWs he should have at his command. If they grow up immediately then he should have way more WWs, if they grow up slowly then it means there are WW infants. If there are WW infants that suggests a society might develop to support this maturation process.
Yes, since it would mean there should be more WWs.
Then how did he plan on getting past it? Did he just guess that dragons would be born 1,000+ years later and that someone would be stupid enough to fly one North?
Yep, most of the time the heroes will win (obvious casualties and what not happen of course). Which is way I don't want a sequel to that film. The mental image of what is happening after the credits roll is just so perfect that they'd ruin it by making more. But that sort of ending you can do here and there, but I don't want that for every piece of media, and I sure as hell don't want it in a series that I have been following for 8 seasons.
I really shouldn't have read that theory, now I'm getting hyped hoping episode 3 was a huge feint for both the White Walker and the Throne plots.
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