The show was also set in the ancient times as well? I've seen pictures and scenes before and it looks modern, but that picture looks like it wouldn't be out of place in Galdiator.
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Game of Thrones S8 |OT2| Please do not post spoilers here - assume all episodes have been leaked - spoiler tag all future episode speculation
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Thought it was a great episode. I got incredibly emotional when the NK went down. Only issues is that way more people should have died. Sam living when he was just kind of sitting there was mad dumb.
Cersei being the final boss works for me cause she's already caused my fav moment in the series. Excited to see what they do with her.
Cersei being the final boss works for me cause she's already caused my fav moment in the series. Excited to see what they do with her.
Ab Aeterno already touched upon the motivations of Jacob/MIB in a brilliant way, and that was one of the most beloved episodes. And yes it showed way more than GoT ever did in regards to the White Walkers/Night King. Across the Sea definitely showed way too much, but the main reason it was panned was the introduction of the
magic cave
Could have dealt with this outcome if we would get some dragons vs elephants action, but nah
At least we are getting Cleganebowl I guess
At least we are getting Cleganebowl I guess
Frankly this mirrors the books. 1-3 were fairly tight and didn't sprawl off in too many directions for the most part.
4-5 were bloated - so you had a few captivating stories and characters till, but instead of the uninteresting bits being the rare exception they became super prominent.
Eg Sansa's time in the Eyrie, Tyrion's trip (I liked show getting him to Meereen as it did far more than how the books is doing it), Euron and Co (though a lot will disagree on that), the Martel that went to Meereen to marry Dany. They kinda dragged it all down and diminished the good parts.
You had a crazy number of PoVs, plot threads, and so on. Martin knows where he wants to get to (as he has an ending and some major events), just not how to get there at this point. Man is like Steven King - really needs an editor who can just go 'No! Leave that out!'
The show fixed some of those issues with brutal efficiency (Sansa got out of the Eyrie quick, ditched the Martel kid, cleaned up Tyrion's journey), then screwed up others (rather pointless change to Dorne plot - killing the prince made no sense, stripping down the Greyjoy stuff to just Euron was fine, but just making him a weird horndog was not). The issues with Meereen were both Martin's and the show's fault - they knew it was going to be trouble as it's a total drag in the books, but the show runners didn't so much as retune it ahead of time to be better as to dive right in and then just chainsaw their way out of it at the end.
Point being, early seasons/books benefitted from being leaner and focused on a more core groups, using prologue/epilogues for the one off PoVs. Then it got a bit sprawling and you start seeing less of who you care about and more of all the crap that didn't work so well and you lose a bit of that connection. At least that's how I feel. S8 for me has been fantastic so far in large part because they've focused the episodes - E2 and E3 were entirely at Winterfell and most of E1. So that allows some breathing room for the characters rather than rushing through story beats (again, Dorne...)
Why ? Because he was outnumbered, facing insurmontable odds in a messy battle ? It has often been the case for many characters in many different shows. That's the point of the show choosing to tell the story of specific characters, they are not this random meat ball that dies randomly in the midst of a battle along with the extras (that do die in large numbers). Actually few important characters do die during a battle in the show.
Would it have been more believable to have the characters perfectly fine, skillfully keeping all threat meters away from them at all time ? The point was to show how desperate the situation was, but the wights are not trained to target specific people or vital organs, so we are supposed to believe these characters have managed to survive somehow.
Obviously if you want absolute realism it is difficult to swallow and maybe the episode could have spent more time on each fighter but there is nothing wrong with the outcome in itself.
Any question regarding stories and plot during s5-8:
It's been four days and you're still having a meltdown. Dude, you gotta learn how to chill.
You can but it doesn't meant that you should, considering the source that the show is based on. There are ways for a show to provide answers without a exposition dump and if the only excuse for why GOT doesn't do that, is that "GOT doesn't have time to explain" then D&D should have never made these seasons this short or ever attempted to make this show in the first place, if they can't do it right. Simplifying and cutting down explanations because of time constraints is on them. Some of the answers aren't even simple, they are nonexistent. The story suffered because of it and these later seasons don't fit seamlessly with the earlier ones.
one wight nearly killed Jon and Mormont, they have been portrayed as ruthless and hard to kill. It took five guys to kill one wight in the books. They aren't supposed to be fodder. They are supposed to be dangerous.
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Im trying, but it's difficulty when my interest to watch the show got destroyed so fast.
You can't see it but they are both holding lightsabers in each of their hands
Yep. The moment you commit to a battle against against the White Walkers at Winterfell it becomes obvious it's either a complete victory or total failure, and I am certain the same people claiming a retreat of some kind could happen would be the same people drawing embarrassing diagrams showing how a retreat was impossible and patting each other on the back for once again showing that the GOT showrunners are lazy, talentless hacks.
This was always going to be the end of the White Walkers story.
Makes sense. That's Sapochnik's other episode this season.
I suppose it's also another question of who in the cast are asking questions. The closest thing would be Tyrion and he has never shown interest in the subject and had no reason to. When it comes to exposition, it should be pertinent to the characters and their interests, weaved organically into conversations, (the NK's motive weaved into the convo where they come up with a plan to fight them), not just a character speaking to the audience's biggest lore geeks.
And that's because the showrunners wrote themself into a corner like that.
I still watch episode 10 of season 6 here and there just because it's such an incredible moment of television. And each and every time, even though I know what she's about to do to some characters I like, I still root for her in that episode because she earns I. Cersei is just so suave, badass, and deliciously evil. The scene where she's confessing to the Septon still gives me chills. I actually wouldn't mind a scenario where Cersei loses the Kingdom but somehow still survives and escapes from Westeros or something. Her level of evil seems well suited for Essos.
Ah, imagined hypocrisy. The best kind of hypocrisy because it literally can't be proven wrong.
Emilia clarke said in an interview that episode 5 will be even bigger in scope than episode 3, in terms of sheers numbers, 100k wights, all heres basically, 3 dragons, 10 white walkers and the king, all in one battle, how can it be bigger? The golden company is 20k men, and euron's fleet only works in the sea, I mean... really, how can anything they do moving forward be bigger in scope than episode 3? I dont see it.
He's posting in a game of thrones about the show, lets not get overly dramatic
If this is what one episode of a TV show not going the way you want it to go does to you then I really don't wanna see how you deal with disappointment in real life.
So yea I'll reiterate, literally stopping the story to explain the villain in Lost was one of the worst things about the show's later seasons.
It made a simple villain way more convoluted than he needed to be.
I always try to see things positive, so I still have hope, as in, something is going on with Bran and the showrunners has been hiding it.
There are 3 80 min episodes left of hope.
She definitely should, the look on her face when all the arakhs were going out kind of sealed it. Something has to be said about the Dothraki. This can't be the end of their legacy entirely. Lame as fuck.
Yes it did that, they all died so that the main characters and the viewer could experience an emotion. Watch this video
I did personally enjoy the episode as well. The thing is, I am glad that they dealt with the supernatural threat, before dealing with the final human threat, but the way it was done was not enough for me. Everything about the Others needed to be fleshed out before getting them out of the picture. If this is the last of the battle of ice and fire then I wanted to see more dragon burning zombie carnage, wanted to see some of Viserion accidentally incinerating the zombies (since blue fire is way hotter and more intense than yellow fire, that would've been an interesting twist) but the dragons overall had little impact and were out of commission for a good portion of this episode too.
I get there is not much to the white walkers but with all the buildup and little to no action from the night king just makes it all too convenient. As well as with Bran also being out of commission doing nothing with warging in the episode. Like the poll options say...so many glaring problems
Well then off you go tell us how would you have this episode end that didn't involve all heroes dying or the Night king biting it?
How can it possibly be bigger? The NK alone fielded an army that dwarfs all of the military forces in Westeros. That army is wiped out, Dany's own army that was the single biggest living army is nerfed beyond belief. How can this battle be bigger?
I find it funny this episode is getting so much backlash when Spoils of War and Beyond the Wall last year were just as dumb if not worse. I expected this and more.
Actually compared to last season so far this one isn't as bad. Has a few episodes to get there though...
Actually compared to last season so far this one isn't as bad. Has a few episodes to get there though...
I don't mean that I want a big exposition dump, because I didn't want that either. It was the not pertinent to the story part that I was focusing on. Because that's ultimately what it feels like and is why some of us aren't thrilled. You can absolutely have a side conflict to the main conflict (WW threat > Iron Throne) and that's fine. But you can make it more meaningful.
I ain't falling for this trick either, the "if you have an issue with something then you must be able to fix it yourself," fallacy.
They already showed the origin. The most important bit of it, something that would explain why the Night King indiscriminately wants to destroy everything. He was someone who was through magic forcefully turned into a monster. Literally the only time's he's sent a message was whenever his troops created the symbol that was there when he was forcefully turned.
Because you wanted more info that wasn't pertinent to the story?
Favorite moment in any TV show by far. Absolutely floored me.
I liked what happened here but still didn't reach those highs. Hoping Cersei brings it.
I feel sorry for Sapochnik. He is such an amazing director, but had to deal with a shit script.
I assume this has been posted, but if not -
Interesting theory on where the show is going
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/bjm9az/the_great_war_isnt_over_spoilers_extended/
Interesting theory on where the show is going
I love the books but they have nothing to with this. As for the one whight, yeah one of them is enough to kill you, just like one zombie can kill your favorite Walking Dead character. Doesn't mean Daryl or Rick can't survive some 100 vs 1 situations, thank God. What kind of verisimilitude are we expecting here ?
Then the same people are upset the NK doesn't give Jon a fair 1Vs1 « I just raised my power level haha » fight. I'm not following you guys.
The only TRULY dumb thing impossible to explain in the context of the show is the crypt bullshit. Even if you think it's safer than out there (and it was), they should have at least prepared for this possibility. The wight destroying the tomb from within was bullshit as well, because they are never portrayed with such individual strength.
A proper siege of KL would do it. They could marshal the regular folk in addition to the golden troops and the fleet in the harbor.
Yeah, a lot of people, both book readers and non-book readers (like me) still have hope that the NK storyline isn't over and something is going on with Bran. What is it, I don't know, but I do know I don't trust a creepy, starring, cryptic weirdo.
The fact this show is now being equated with the walking dead's approach is a depressing reflection how bad it has gotten.
It'll be in the daytime, so they'll turn up the draw distance on the CGI.
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