That's my point, she suddenly cares because the show wants that scene in the episode, even though it makes no sense in context of her character. Based on everything we have seen and all that we know about Cersei, that scene just made no sense.
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Game of Thrones S8 |OT2| Please do not post spoilers here - assume all episodes have been leaked - spoiler tag all future episode speculation
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First of all she didn't just kill the religious nuts (who she armed by the way). Do you believe that this:
Would have been the only instance of Cersei sending the Mountain to kill civilians she didn't like?
Especially when none of it turned out to be of any consequence since her dragons lost their plot armor as soon as they reached Westeros.
She cares when the writers need her to care. So I guess the writers decided she had to care enough not to kill them in that scene.
The guy is telling you to shut off your brain and just accept whatever comes at you. It's not an opinion worth engaging.
Yeah, that pissed me off. I was really looking forward to their reactions.
I've been spending a lot of time on the book-only wiki (ASOIAF wiki) and man, I love this world. Really want the next book to come out so I can do a re-read of the whole series :(
Holy shit at the negative reception. I liked the episode more than the previous one, which I thought was decent.
I know you're not agreeing with me, but what you just said is the very definition of bad writing, so sure I guess.
Yeah,
also him telling Bran to tell the story pissed me off a little. Seriously? You can't tell them yourself in this situation?
You know, you can always just say "I'm not sure, I haven't thought of that" or "I don't have an answer" from the beginning, and not say something dumb like "maybe there doesn't need to be a reason, OK" when responding to a fair and basic criticism. Otherwise what are we even doing here?
Which makes me question why there even were zombies in the first place.
I think the show would be much more interesting without them and just focus on the Game of Thrones.
I never said it was good writing, I only wrote my thoughts of why she did not kill them when they were outside KL.
Most of the season has been bad writing, including that scene.
because otherwise it's just The West Wing. it needed some fantasy elements other than dragons and occasional red woman magic.
They really walked to KL looking like this. Loooooooooool
lmao
Ballistas are basically rail guns in this show and they had plenty of them on that wall, Cersei should have annihilated them right then and there and broke for an early lunch.
I hope those two random wildlings in the Starbucks scene make a surprise reappearance and save the day and take the throne
People are conveniently neglecting to acknowledge that Cersei is vulnerable in this scene as well. Dany & the Unsullied are assumed to be standing outside of archery range from the towers. Drogon is hanging back quite a bit further. Cersei could have opened the gate and had forces spill out, but you're basically banking on being able to kill Drogon with your first few Scorpion bolts at that point. If that doesn't happen, you're getting roasted alive right then and there.
Also- Cersei is well aware of the public relations game, here. She's actively trying to trigger Dany to get her to lash out and do something stupid.
And one more point- even if she had decided to gamble and it had gone her way, Jon's still marching south with the bulk of the forces. You're still going to have a war on your hands either way.
The idea (completely my opinion) was that the White Walkers and wights would come at the end as the final battle and victory over them would somehow end the "game of thrones".... but now we're literally back to the game of thrones as if the NK/WWs were never a thing.
Tyrion: Let's overthrew Cercei!
Dany: OK, I'm going to burn the capital.
Tyrion: Whoa! We can't actually kill anyone!
Dany: So how do we overthrow Cercei?
Tyrion: Starve the commoners.
Dany: Why is that better than burning Cercei's home?
Tyrion: You're the mad Queen!
It's the same plan he pitched last season! Plus, they now know burning the food ships won't work. So how do they starve the commoners? Tyrion is a moron.
Dany: OK, I'm going to burn the capital.
Tyrion: Whoa! We can't actually kill anyone!
Dany: So how do we overthrow Cercei?
Tyrion: Starve the commoners.
Dany: Why is that better than burning Cercei's home?
Tyrion: You're the mad Queen!
It's the same plan he pitched last season! Plus, they now know burning the food ships won't work. So how do they starve the commoners? Tyrion is a moron.
Yes. Just like the writers needed Euron to be on the sea with the ballista just at the right moment.
Jaime's struggle with being a good man, whatever, still 2 episodes from the end is stupid. Its so easily solvable too, just have Sansa send Brienne to KL for a mission, and Jaime not wanting to be apart from her after finally giving in to his feelings, follows her there. And its tragic, he finally decided to choose healthy love and war keeps getting in the way.
Dany not seeing the fleet coming took me completely out of it. I still cant believe why they though this was the best way to do this.
So for the first time in the series Dany is justified in being rage filled after this one person did all that to her, and she is the crazy one because she wansts to kill cersei at all caosts now? Tyrion maes me sad for 2 seasons now, still trying to reason with cersei, making stupid military decisions, what a waste.
I think capturing Missandei was techically possible, Euron was in the meeting where they brought the wight to cersei so he knew she was part of Dany's inner circle, and he was there in the ship, so yeah, I can be ok with that. But the writer's fear to kill any primary character is mind boggling to me. why not tyrion, or varys? The investment in htem is clearly bigger.
I love arya and the hound again. wish we seen more of that.
Bronn coming in with a bow to see the hand of hte queen that easily is stupid. Another decison I could not believe they didnt come up with any better way to do. Its so lazy.
Jon, for the love of all the seven gods, pet you direwolf.
Dany not seeing the fleet coming took me completely out of it. I still cant believe why they though this was the best way to do this.
So for the first time in the series Dany is justified in being rage filled after this one person did all that to her, and she is the crazy one because she wansts to kill cersei at all caosts now? Tyrion maes me sad for 2 seasons now, still trying to reason with cersei, making stupid military decisions, what a waste.
I think capturing Missandei was techically possible, Euron was in the meeting where they brought the wight to cersei so he knew she was part of Dany's inner circle, and he was there in the ship, so yeah, I can be ok with that. But the writer's fear to kill any primary character is mind boggling to me. why not tyrion, or varys? The investment in htem is clearly bigger.
I love arya and the hound again. wish we seen more of that.
Bronn coming in with a bow to see the hand of hte queen that easily is stupid. Another decison I could not believe they didnt come up with any better way to do. Its so lazy.
Jon, for the love of all the seven gods, pet you direwolf.
If they can shoot three consecutive long range shots with perfect accuracy, at a dragon that was flying and moving, from ships that were on wavy water, they can sure as shit do it to a stationary dragon that was a few hundred yards away.
I thoroughly enjoyed this episode, as well as the last one. I wish there was another thread where we could talk about the positive aspects of the show without being crushed by the same old knee jerk reactions over and over again. There's unfortunately no reason to really take part in this thread for somebody that is not full of hate and resentment.
Is it that much of a stretch to surmise that Cersei perceived herself to be in something of a Mexican standoff? For whatever reason, she felt that escolating warfare at that particular moment would have put herself at too great of a risk.
I presume most of these pre-battle meetups were not based purely upon honor, but with the understanding that if anyone tries something then nobody will survive due to snipers/archers/artillery.
I forgot about the caravan last season! Did that have any actual impact on Cersei and her strength? They had already gotten the gold in, correct?
I hate everything about the "Mad Queen" plot thread they're attempting here. Even with how ludicrously antagonizing Dany has been for the last 3 seasons these accusations seem outrageous. Especially so from her trusted (despite worthless) hand of the queen. Talking about her potential Mad Queen descend just due to her heritage feels uncharacteristic for supposedly logically thinking people like Tyrion and Varys. All about this feels forced.
On that note, it also becomes clearer by the minute that flying down to King's Landing and torching the Red Keep would've been the best choice. Cersei dead, people can focus on the NK and who cares about the population being a bit miffed. A year of good ruling and they'll be plenty happy.
But no, thanks god Dany avoided that terrible event! Who knows, dozens or a few hundred might have died! All this war, though, is just fine. Even now Tyrion and Varys are somehow shaking in their boots at the thought of Drogon... I don't even fucking know, going rogue and scorching all of King's Landing? At this point, Drogon flying anywhere close to King's Landing is no longer even an option, with all those physics-defying Ballistas.
On that note, it also becomes clearer by the minute that flying down to King's Landing and torching the Red Keep would've been the best choice. Cersei dead, people can focus on the NK and who cares about the population being a bit miffed. A year of good ruling and they'll be plenty happy.
But no, thanks god Dany avoided that terrible event! Who knows, dozens or a few hundred might have died! All this war, though, is just fine. Even now Tyrion and Varys are somehow shaking in their boots at the thought of Drogon... I don't even fucking know, going rogue and scorching all of King's Landing? At this point, Drogon flying anywhere close to King's Landing is no longer even an option, with all those physics-defying Ballistas.
to be clear, I still don't Dany' in the wrong. just go for it.
and as someone else pointed out above; it's really not that much worse than starving them to death like Tyrion suggested
yeah. I don't even blame her for being mad. I would not hold it against her if she does burn down the red keep
and as someone else pointed out above; it's really not that much worse than starving them to death like Tyrion suggested
They just showed how easy it is for them to take out a dragon and they have significantly more time to aim the arrows at a stationary target. Once that dragon is dead, Dany is also dead because the handful of unsullied aren't going to do anything against the entire city.
As for some imagined PR fallout, the people don't give a shit. They were cheering her on against the foreign hordes. Do you think they care if Cersei made the first strike if meant wiping out them, even if it's against some "rules" of war? That anyone cares about tradition at this point is absurd frankly.
I get why they wanted the scene, they wanted the dramatic tension of Missandei's death and the face to face of Cersei vs Dany. At the very least if they wanted that, then don't have it at the gates of King's Landing where it makes no sense.
Really enjoyed this episode. Dany, for the first time in the series, is becoming interesting to me. Missandey and Grey Worm, for the first time in the series, evoked an emotional response from me. Sophie Turner, for maybe the first time, acted well enough to truly sell me on Sansa's character development.
Lots of strong scenes imo.
So we've entered the phase of every meme being reposted dozens of times
See ya next week for dorne and yara saving the day !
See ya next week for dorne and yara saving the day !
Looks so cheap and small. Why did they fucking do this shit. Ugh.
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