That's the problem with this thread and a bunch of what I've been seeing around the Internet.
The people who don't like it trash the show, then fans take it personally and go ad hominem
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Game of Thrones S8, Apr 14-May 19 @9PM EDT |OT| Aunt-Man and the Frost
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The people who don't like it trash the show, then fans take it personally and go ad hominem
Arya killing the NK the way she did shouldn't be the issue people have, it's when in the story she did it. You can't have THE FIRST PLOT line of the show, the driving force of many storylines, the biggest threat build up for the entire show, end at the first battle they have. What did the dead army accomplish, they reached the first big city past the wall, they couldn't even take that. Stannis had better success as a leader of an army.
No one of significance died, no characters had any impact, no sacrifices were made, no impact was felt. You can't build up the big unstoppable creature and then kill him before he does anything of significance.
When a show leaves you questioning what was the point of a storyline 8 years in the making something went wrong in the writing.
No one of significance died, no characters had any impact, no sacrifices were made, no impact was felt. You can't build up the big unstoppable creature and then kill him before he does anything of significance.
When a show leaves you questioning what was the point of a storyline 8 years in the making something went wrong in the writing.
I'm with you. Lots of gut reactions and overblown hyperbole flying around.
This doesnt feel like a epilogue. It feels like work or DLC for the true ending, pls watch. It gave the story about the human spirt and outlived its welcome for a few gotcha moments about pointless politics. Reply to others who care to make argument with you. Stay mad bozo.
I'm getting a feeling that this episode is a major redherring and there's gonna be a majority of fan favorites straight up massacred by cersei
Even better, he had read one too many fan theories and thought the dead breaking into the crypt were the resurrected corpses of the Starks.
Are you kidding? You really think Arya putting on a Bran mask and killing the night king would have been better?
I'm done with this thread. I'm genuinely confused by the idiocy.
It was literally spelled out in the previous episode. Dany/Jon were supposed to wait near-ish by with their dragons so they could swoop in and try to kill the NK when he took the bait. But Dany lost her nerve when the Dothraki got rolled and charged onto the field, so Jon followed suit, and shit broke down from there.
Wow. For all the hype leading up to this episode, it delivered, and then some.
My heart was racing for the entire hour and twenty minutes. Everything; the cinematography, the introspective character moments, the battle scenes, direction, the music... just a masterclass in television. Miguel Sapochnik never, ever, ever disappoints. Holy fucking shit.
Arya's scenes in this episode were simply superb. The chase through the corridors was gripping and segued into the 2nd part of the battle perfectly. HBO has a way of nailing atmospheric tension like nobody else can. My mind hadn't even considered the possibility of her being the one to end the Night King. A credit to the writers for making something that could have been an "of course" moment come completely out of left field even having seen her leave the room with The Hound and Melisandre moments before.
Dragons! I was pleased to see the blizzard act as somewhat of a neutralizing effect on Drogon and Rhaegal. The mid-air battle scene we got though... damn. In all of it, I somehow lost track of how/what happened to Rhaegal. I know he and Viserion had each other in their jaws and were clawing at each other but Rhaegal just sort of disappeared after Dany came in and knocked the Night King off of Viserion. I assumed he was dead but the preview of the next episode shows him still alive and an off-screen death for an important part of the show would have been weird I guess.
I had a feeling Jorah was going to meet his end and am glad he got to die defending Dany and protecting her right until the very end. He's had one of the more understated but important character arcs throughout the show.
Lyanna Mormont, what a boss. Don't know where HBO finds these child actors but damn if she didn't steal every scene she was in. Hell of a way to go out.
Ditto for Theon. With his arc having come full circle I had a feeling that Winterfell seemed the perfect place for his story to end.
So by my count we lost Jorah, Lyanna, Edd, Beric, Theon, Melisandre and maybe Ghost?
Going to be interesting to see what the play is now with the entire fighting force of Dothraki and Unsullied nearly wiped out.
My heart was racing for the entire hour and twenty minutes. Everything; the cinematography, the introspective character moments, the battle scenes, direction, the music... just a masterclass in television. Miguel Sapochnik never, ever, ever disappoints. Holy fucking shit.
Arya's scenes in this episode were simply superb. The chase through the corridors was gripping and segued into the 2nd part of the battle perfectly. HBO has a way of nailing atmospheric tension like nobody else can. My mind hadn't even considered the possibility of her being the one to end the Night King. A credit to the writers for making something that could have been an "of course" moment come completely out of left field even having seen her leave the room with The Hound and Melisandre moments before.
Dragons! I was pleased to see the blizzard act as somewhat of a neutralizing effect on Drogon and Rhaegal. The mid-air battle scene we got though... damn. In all of it, I somehow lost track of how/what happened to Rhaegal. I know he and Viserion had each other in their jaws and were clawing at each other but Rhaegal just sort of disappeared after Dany came in and knocked the Night King off of Viserion. I assumed he was dead but the preview of the next episode shows him still alive and an off-screen death for an important part of the show would have been weird I guess.
I had a feeling Jorah was going to meet his end and am glad he got to die defending Dany and protecting her right until the very end. He's had one of the more understated but important character arcs throughout the show.
Lyanna Mormont, what a boss. Don't know where HBO finds these child actors but damn if she didn't steal every scene she was in. Hell of a way to go out.
Ditto for Theon. With his arc having come full circle I had a feeling that Winterfell seemed the perfect place for his story to end.
So by my count we lost Jorah, Lyanna, Edd, Beric, Theon, Melisandre and maybe Ghost?
Going to be interesting to see what the play is now with the entire fighting force of Dothraki and Unsullied nearly wiped out.
Did you not see the jif where Arya switched her blade from one hand to the other in order to draw in sparing vs Brienne in what was the culmination of her being the worlds shittiest assassin trainee for a few scenes? Clearly that's more significant than seasons of building up the Night King, White Walkers, The Long Winter, The 3 Eyed Raven, The Children of the Forest, The Army of the Dead, The Old Gods, Green Seers, The Reeds, Azor Ahai, and The Night's Watch!
Isn't the blade that killed the NK the blade that the Lannisters sent the assassin to kill Bran with?
Yes, after she faced them alone, ran and hid from them for god knows how long. Hell, Clegane was shaking in his boots while Arya was doing the best with what she could muster. Not to mention that Arya saved Clegane here as well.
It's hilarious that I've hated this show for years for its terrible fan fiction writing, got flamed repeatedly last week for pointing it out, and it only took a week for a majority of the thread to turn on it. I probably liked the episode better than most of the "haters", since the only good thing GoT does now is brainless effects.
Moment's of that episode were great and iconic and beautiful no doubt, but I also could not tell what the fuck was going on for a good 1/3 of it and the dragon battles in the sky were just a bunch of mush.
Helm's Deep is still the GOAT for that kind of battle.
Helm's Deep is still the GOAT for that kind of battle.
I just realized with Jorah and Lyanna dead that is the end of House Mormont of Bear Island :(
Yup it had some cool moments but it's further proof of how bad the writing in the show has become. Also the battle was unnecessarily long. They're trying to make it feel epic but it became monotonous at a certain point.
Gamespot, and those people wanting Arya to have worn Bran's face, you do understand she take the faces off a corpse, yes? You really wanted Bran to die (presumably killed by his sister, the Faceless Man), just so Arya could have a rerun of how she killed Walder Frey?
I just rewatched it and this is verbatim: "For, uh god I think it's been 3 years now or something we've known that it was gonna be Arya who delivers that, that fatal blow."
True! Also because it subverted expectations it is automatically good and immune to criticism
What if they decided to kill Arya on the show in like season 3 or something? Wouldn't they have had to have been told what the ending was?
I thought Bran was going to pull off some Gandalf-type save and summon some eagles or something. What was the point of him just looking around with his special sight?
You're right. Getting unseen past dozens of wights and all the generals makes much more sense.
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Eh, I think I'm talking about attitudes toward all media in general. Always feels like people would rather shit on stuff as their base opinion. Like, unless things are unequivocally a masterpiece then they are seen as absolute shit. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion of course, but man it feels like people instinctively want to hate stuff. I'm not saying the show doesn't have issues, but it's still stupid fun to watch.
Then again I know it's an IP with a lot of clout and fans that were around long before the show so I suppose it's to be expected. Still though, this season so far has been far better than the show was 2-3 seasons ago.
Exactly, and then you have people saying "well she was terrible at it!". Well yeah, people are gonna suck when they first do things but that's how they end up getting better at it.
Dany staying in Essos means Westeros is overrun by the White Walkers. There's no ifs or buts about it.
Also, people that think Arya can just roll into KL and murder Cersei forget that she has to go through the Mountain. The mountain isn't going to shatter when you pop him in the stomach with a dagger. Play that same scenario but change the NK to the Mountain, and he crushes her neck even while she continuously stabs him in the gut.
it is and it wasn't. it really wasn't up to the task of the dark colors. artifacts everywhere.
God, that Gamespot review is embarrassing. Almost at Chris Struckman BvS rewrite levels. Just because the episode didn't deliver the fan service moments and payoffs imagined in your head doesn't make it shit or poorly written.
There's more to the medium than writing anyway. This episode was about presenting itself as a beautiful nightmare and it pulled it off in spades.
There's more to the medium than writing anyway. This episode was about presenting itself as a beautiful nightmare and it pulled it off in spades.
Man, I expected a lot more deaths, was totally expecting another Red Wedding type episode with like half of the major characters biting the dust. Did not expect so many people to survive, I mean we lost literally no one from the main cast aside from Theon. It was mainly the side characters that died and even just a few of them.
I take it the whole Jon = Azor Ahai is out the window now.
It's kind of disappointing that it ended like this as far as the NK goes imo, I mean what's left now? Cersei? She's evil but not nearly as threatening as the NK and after that with everyone united? I don't see her standing a chance.
There's probably some twist up their sleeve somewhere.
I take it the whole Jon = Azor Ahai is out the window now.
It's kind of disappointing that it ended like this as far as the NK goes imo, I mean what's left now? Cersei? She's evil but not nearly as threatening as the NK and after that with everyone united? I don't see her standing a chance.
There's probably some twist up their sleeve somewhere.
But why would we buy her being an amazing assassin after watching a season of her failing at it?
Also D&D say she's the greatest warrior in their post episode thing.
I'm glad I didn't watch along with the thread. So much negativity would have put a damper on what was a very enjoyable and tense episode.
My biggest complaint (aside from no one burning the bodies in the crypts before sending everyone down there) was that Ghost, if he is in fact dead, had an ignoble death offscreen.
Arya being the one who killed the NK was a great way of subverting expectations, and the dagger drop move from her practice with Brienne coming back was pretty neat. I do kind of wish there was more one on one combat between the NK and whoever. I was also really hoping Bran would have warged into one of the dragons to help in the battle so he didn't look so useless.
Kind of weird seeing people complain that Arya, who spent a good chunk of the episode slipping past the dead unnoticed, could have slipped past the NK's generals unnoticed.
Hats off to the fallen and on to next week.
My biggest complaint (aside from no one burning the bodies in the crypts before sending everyone down there) was that Ghost, if he is in fact dead, had an ignoble death offscreen.
Arya being the one who killed the NK was a great way of subverting expectations, and the dagger drop move from her practice with Brienne coming back was pretty neat. I do kind of wish there was more one on one combat between the NK and whoever. I was also really hoping Bran would have warged into one of the dragons to help in the battle so he didn't look so useless.
Kind of weird seeing people complain that Arya, who spent a good chunk of the episode slipping past the dead unnoticed, could have slipped past the NK's generals unnoticed.
Hats off to the fallen and on to next week.
Coincidence or not, it's still narratively super interesting.
Art is always full of happy coincidences like that.
Let em! Those dirty westerners haven't learned a damn thing in 7 seasons.
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