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Game of Thrones S8, Apr 14-May 19 @9PM EDT |OT| Aunt-Man and the Frost
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It goes up on HBO Now/Go at the same time as the show starts, on the Hour (9 PM EST)
I think some of the character's Daeny has "forgiven" to prove her mercy including Varys are there to exist to create tension surrounding a possible heel turn for Daeny. Like if she does become "mad queen"-ish (well, again, as she kind of has a few times) she's surrounded by people she could un-forgive and punish harshly.
Same. He's one of my favorite characters in the books. I can't believe they just...didn't know what to do with him. Ah well.
You know, I'm wondering if next episode Qyburn's necromatic experiments come up. Like, if the night king goes down to kings landing will The Mountain and god knows whatever other experiments Qyburn has slapped together in his lab will just switch to the Night King's side, causing a zombie outbreak. If only The Mountain was the younger brother I'd assume that he'd be the one to kill Cersi.
Also, I'm thinking Cersi's prophecy of a "younger, prettier queen" coming after her means that Dany is gonna have the iron throne. Or we get a curveball and Sansa is last woman standing.
Also pissed at how under-ultilized Varys is. Like, there were a ton of scenes he'd be perfect for last episode.
Also, I'm thinking Cersi's prophecy of a "younger, prettier queen" coming after her means that Dany is gonna have the iron throne. Or we get a curveball and Sansa is last woman standing.
Also pissed at how under-ultilized Varys is. Like, there were a ton of scenes he'd be perfect for last episode.
Taking away a certain book twist didn't help
Thrones is secretly a JRPG and Qyburn is the final boss who reveals himself after the NK is dead and he steals his necromantic powers.
Yeah. He was pretty well handled in the early seasons, but he basically had nothing to do after S4 due to the change(s) you're referring to. Well, except be the butt of constant eunuch jokes.
I just gave their Season 8 episode 1 episode a listen, and it sounds like two people doing slam poetry and screaming/laughing at each other. The pacing of their "conversation" and the way it's edited gives me anxiety. And it also seems to just be the most basic of commentary like shira said.
Maybe I need to start from the beginning to get a feel for their tone and rapport with each other. It felt like I was listening to two twins speaking their made up language to each other
"Uniting to stop a zombie holocaust" ain't exactly an elaborate tapestry to weave, but I forgive you, King 😉
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They kinda workshopped what worked over the first 67 episodes so it's a lot of year old in-jokes and skits.
HBO invested in their company so they kinda get the inside scoop.
I mean if anything they are enthusiastic
Yeah you're right, Stephen King has no idea what he's talking about.
That's a little reductive. They could all have that goal, but if the characters aren't in a position to get themselves together it doesn't matter.
He's talking about the specific character interactions, I'm sure.
Calling it now: Varys has no cock because he's three Children of the Forest wearing a skin overcoat. There's your twist, fuckers.
In hindsight, D & D should never have adapted Varys. Without "Aegon" or Illyrio, he's at the levels of Bronn. He's good for other characters to bounce off of but he doesn't have a real story.
Still open to interpretation. I'm only saying what I think and am confident in it but there's a chance that GRRM throws a curveball and you're more on the money than me.
The magic doesn't work like that or the White Walkers would be able to convert Benjen, Jon and Beric to his side.
The wights are animated by ice magic.
Jon and Beric are animated by fire magic.
And the Mountain is walking and moving around because of blood magic.
They're different power sources.
The White Walkers would have to kill them again to raise them back as wights.
Still open to interpretation. I'm only saying what I think and am confident in it but there's a chance that GRRM throws a curveball and you're more on the money than me.
The magic doesn't work like that or the White Walkers would be able to convert Benjen, Jon and Beric to his side.
The wights are animated by ice magic.
Jon and Beric are animated by fire magic.
And the Mountain is walking and moving around because of blood magic.
They're different power sources.
The White Walkers would have to kill them again to raise them back as wights.
That's extremely reductive. Lots of characters would still be separated if not for the events of the previous seasons. Just think of the road The Hound traveled to end up where he is.
I've listened to their entire Binge Mode GoT series and it's definitely not true. They absolutely do not give the most basic commentary. Both have extensive knowledge from the books and are well read on a lot of the various theories born about on Westeros.org and what not. They can sometimes be a bit annoying when they go a bit over the top with the cheering and yelling but they are good.
Yeah, there's like 70 episodes of bonding there. They are also in the endgame now; lots of inside jokes and references.
I appreciate their knowledge and deep love of the characters as a whole, with a combination of book and TV knowledge. They aren't overly cynical or trying to be edgy and contrarian or bitter at the books being outpaced or over how popular the show is. They genuinely love the work and GoT worlds and will be critical as well, as they (like most of us) saw a lot of flaws in S7.
I'm being very petty, and I actually do love how they've handled this season so far, but I'm still disappointed that so much of what made the show interesting was swept away to focus on surviving a brainless horde. I have no attachment to either Jon or Dany, and the only two places that seemingly matter anymore are King's Landing and Winterfell. The narrative has narrowed tremendously in service of the plot elements that interest me the least.
But I'm still legit optimistic D&D will stick the landing.
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I would totally watch a show where the hound just walks around and eats chickens
I also wonder if there's a single Valyrian Steel or dragonglass weapon in all of King's Landing atm.
Does D&D know this? Either way, the Mountain strikes me as more of a zombie, while Jon and Beric strike me as more actually fully revived.
Agreed. No FAegon makes his scenes in Season 1 confusing as hell. Or at the least, he could have broke out Tyrion and stayed in KL. Or they need a better payoff scene with Dany and Varys about why his grand plans involved selling her to a warlord or if him and Illyrio were honestly relying on Dany's brother to take the throne - which seems incredibly unlikely.
I'm optimistic they will stick the landing... but only because my expectations for the show have been lowered.
It lost a lot of its complexity and nuance and got a little more... tropey. Which is exactly what GRRM wanted to avoid. It got less game of thrones and more LOTR as time went on. And LOTR is still great but this is not the same show as the first 4 seasons.
The plot was always going to get smaller, just the nature of things to conclude without it feeling like you are trying to get endings for 4 separate but largely unrelated story lines.
Speaking of Valyrian steel weapons, there aren't a lot to go around. As far as I know these are the only characters that have them:
Jaime
Brienne
Jorah
Jon
Arya
You'd think it would be a good idea for Theon to have one since the entire plan rides on Bran, but what do I know? Maybe Arya will be there as well since she was really adamant that Bran not be left alone.
Jaime
Brienne
Jorah
Jon
Arya
You'd think it would be a good idea for Theon to have one since the entire plan rides on Bran, but what do I know? Maybe Arya will be there as well since she was really adamant that Bran not be left alone.
Yeah you have a point. We haven't seen it, so there isn't really any way to tell. We'll just have to see what happens in the episode
For Jon and Beric, they're playing them as regular people.
I think D & D know. They just changed that aspect. Imagine if Jon was played as a walking, bloodless corpse that neither sleeps nor eats post-season 5 and how much creepier that would make his scenes.
GRRM made an explicit comment about Beric being a fire wight because true resurrection doesn't exist in the books. They're corpses animated by fire magic that lose essential memories and changes their personality. Unlike the ice wights though, they're sentient.
The Mountain is just a more successful version of resurrected Drogo. A drone for Cersei without any real intelligence behind him.
Good point. :(
I think a cool way to resolve Varys' arc would be if he let himself be turned into a wight/white walker during the assault. His skill at navigating the Game of Thrones is almost redundant now, and he may calculate that there's no stopping the Long Night. And whether he's right or wrong, it would be a chilling setup for the remaining episodes if one of the smartest characters had decided all hope was lost.
Beric: "He turned them all, kill him and the rest will fall."
*Jon Kills Night King*
Jon: "They're still standing!"
Off-Screen Voice: "That's because he didn't turn them all, he was not the first."
*Camera pans around*
Euron Greyjoy: "I am the First Storm, my Lords. And the last."
*Magic Glamour wears off revealing that his left eye is bright blue*
Did Martin make a mistake? He says Beric's blood doesn't flow now.
I'm guessing that's Theon's group inside the castle next to the God's Wood where Bran is. I don't know who's on the other side though, but it looks like a Lion insignia.
They should have used the long-distance scouting formation.
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