Results pretty much in line with what I would've guessed. A little surprised that as many as 30% voted for Xbox as the coolest looking, though.
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MS has a lot of mind share to win back.
Will be curious to see these polls 5 years from now, once the full force of all the new MS first party is brought to bear.
Will be curious to see these polls 5 years from now, once the full force of all the new MS first party is brought to bear.
MS hasn't done the best job at marketing it, some people simply don't understand what it offers, especially if they're playstation only and ignore anything xbox. Had a discussion recently w/ my sister's boyfriend who is a playstation only guy. We're talking gaming, game pass came up, and he thought it was a) only streaming which turned him off and b) junk games. Wasn't until I showed him the library and said you download and play them like regular games that he got it. Then I was like yeah and the next Doom, Elder Scrolls, Halo, etc. is all on there and he couldn't believe it. It happens when you don't follow gaming media or post on forums like people reading this.
Roughly 1/3 of people who owned both consoles this gen are only going with PS5 next gen. That's not great for Microsoft.
Don't tell the big companies but I'd be willing to pay up to $100 per game and up to $1000 for a console... but I'm also really happy with the prices we got. I mean some of the digital deluxe editions of next gen games are knocking on that $100 price tag anyway. I think this generation will be really interesting when it comes to pricing especially as it goes on. I wonder if the preowned market will stagnate more too with more people possibly buying digital? I'm buying the disk version of the PS5 purely for some backwards compat with PS4 and some physical games. But by the time the mid-generation revision roles around, I expect to be fully digital.
On the topic of costs of things, if movie studios released big movies like Batman, Avengers...etc day and date online and in theatres, I'd pay one hell of a premium to watch that online... like a huge markup. I don't want theatres to go away (because I know tons of people who love them) but I would pay stupid money to just be able to watch these brand new movies at home rather than going to the theatre.
Anyway, back to gaming any the survey. I'm also really hoping that we get a 4K Switch (Pro?) at some point soon. The 4K doesn't even need to be native it could be upscale for something but I really want Nintendo to step into 4K now. The survey didn't really seem to talk much about Nintendo at all and focused mostly on PlayStation and Xbox and the results aren't that surprising to me. PS5 is going to be a power house for Sony and Games Pass is going to be a power house for Microsoft. The number of people with Games Pass vs the number of people with an Xbox Console will be wildly different when this next generation ends.
On the topic of costs of things, if movie studios released big movies like Batman, Avengers...etc day and date online and in theatres, I'd pay one hell of a premium to watch that online... like a huge markup. I don't want theatres to go away (because I know tons of people who love them) but I would pay stupid money to just be able to watch these brand new movies at home rather than going to the theatre.
Anyway, back to gaming any the survey. I'm also really hoping that we get a 4K Switch (Pro?) at some point soon. The 4K doesn't even need to be native it could be upscale for something but I really want Nintendo to step into 4K now. The survey didn't really seem to talk much about Nintendo at all and focused mostly on PlayStation and Xbox and the results aren't that surprising to me. PS5 is going to be a power house for Sony and Games Pass is going to be a power house for Microsoft. The number of people with Games Pass vs the number of people with an Xbox Console will be wildly different when this next generation ends.
Loading times is the most annoying thing this gen and going from 30sec or more to less than 5 secs will be a huge improvement .
In term of marketing both systems were pushing the faster loading so that can also be part of this .
Truth is it will be hard to go back no matter what type of gamer you are .
Reasonable results. The PS5 has an alien design but its not ugly. It's new and different. The XSX looks plain in comparison. Subjective opinions and what not of course mind you.
The industry has always went in price since the PS2, GCN, Xbox era. We kicked and screamed about for the next gen but obviously the industry itself is changed. Development of cheap games is no longer a smart investment. Unless you're an indie that gets some heaving backing from a larger publisher, or the Gamepass stimulus, its not any sort of guarantee you'll see a return without a safety net. Tech gets better, stuff gets more expensive. I do think it's time for a reform, look at CDPR, and the addressing of industry crunch needs to be fixed. But as it stands, game development isn't cheap....$70 is not a surprise and I don't think may people were surprised by it. Enthusiast wise at least...
The industry has always went in price since the PS2, GCN, Xbox era. We kicked and screamed about for the next gen but obviously the industry itself is changed. Development of cheap games is no longer a smart investment. Unless you're an indie that gets some heaving backing from a larger publisher, or the Gamepass stimulus, its not any sort of guarantee you'll see a return without a safety net. Tech gets better, stuff gets more expensive. I do think it's time for a reform, look at CDPR, and the addressing of industry crunch needs to be fixed. But as it stands, game development isn't cheap....$70 is not a surprise and I don't think may people were surprised by it. Enthusiast wise at least...
I agree with all of that. But most important as the survey asks? Nobody was talking loading times in the pre-Cerny conference world.
Why are people surprised by the design question? Despite how impressive the size of the Xbox Series X is, I wouldn't necessarily call it a "cool" looking console. Say what you will about the PS5, at least it's unique looking, for better or worse (I personally like the look tbh).
I've been shitting on loading times for the consoles (especially for Destiny) for years now, at least since 2015. If these consoles would have SSDs was a big pre-reveal talking point too.
It's pretty wildly misleading in a lot of cases. Drawing circles whose radius is proportional to the data creates an exaggerated area relationship. Using text with different numbers of characters and font weights that are also scaled? Again, creates a false impression. Linear graphs with unlabelled arbitrary axes that again exaggerate differences? Ugh.
The data itself is interesting. The representation is pretty awful.
I don't see 70 bucks as that outrageous of a price. You can easily spend 70 bucks going out on the town for one evening. Most AAA games give me at least 20 hours of entertainment. Many of them 40+
that being said I only buy about 2-3 AAA games for full price a year. But for the ones that I'm really excited about it doesn't bother me. But I will wait for sales for the most part.
of course most of this money will go to shareholders and CEOs, not developers, which sucks
that being said I only buy about 2-3 AAA games for full price a year. But for the ones that I'm really excited about it doesn't bother me. But I will wait for sales for the most part.
of course most of this money will go to shareholders and CEOs, not developers, which sucks
Oh I'm with you on that as well as the other poster. I just feel like I'm taking crazy pills because prior to the console reveals, I could have sworn I was living in a world where the general gaming public was "bigger games, bigger graphics, more shit on the screen". And now loading times are king?
I'm not to defend the pricing, but I'm going to take a wild guess and assume that most people only day 1 a few of the biggest games that they know they will spend the most time playing, which can amount to over 100 hours (think sports games, smash bros, online MP, etc) which is why they don't care as much as people think here. They aren't like people in this community that insist every great game that comes out has to be immediately purchased day 1. People were paying $12+ for movie tickets that run just 2+ hours. People do not give a shit when you factor in the hours of entertainment spent on playing their favorite games.
In some countries, we've been paying that price and more all along, so I kinda get it
This all tracks and shows why Sony doesn't have to do anything different than what they are currently doing to sell consoles. It will be a much more interesting thing to look at a year or two from now once more games are revealed and the consoles have been in the wild. Can Gamepass plus exclusive BGS games make a dent? Upfront momentum seems so key with these things as enthusiasts drive where their friends play. Maybe crossplay makes where your friends are less relevant?
It just shows how strong PS marketing has been. In fact that's basically all this data shows us. It's really interesting though.
Yep. Another clear case of the already known Era bubble. I'm always surprised of how many people here dislike the PS5 design, when elsewhere most people love it.
Someone mentioned Destiny load times on console. I haven't played it on console in a while, but I do remember that being very annoying for that experience. This gen is going to be such a drastic improvement for this. The results from that survey make sense in that regard.
I'd imagine it being the most impressive and best demonstrated next gen aspect for games is a factor in that. People realizing there's a lot of cool stuff you can do with super fast loading, besides just loading fast.
Shame graphics are above Frame Rate though, I thought the tide had turned there too, with Frame Rate being probably the 2nd most well shown aspect for next gen.
Better frame rates option being low is expected. Most casuals (and even people who play a lot of games) don't know what 60fps or 30fps mean unless someone try to give them simple examples from other games. Better graphics is expected from new consoles while faster loading is something that people will notice easily and many hate slow loading in older consoles so it's not that that strange that this option was picked by most.
SSDs felt like a dream before they were confirmed. I've personally been saying I'm perfectly happy with graphics the way they are right now, and would prefer advancements in other areas.
You weren't around for all the Mass Effect elevator memes or even further back with PS1 vs N64 load times? Hell most complaints this gen on this very forum were about forced walking and squeeze through sections. (Outside of general framerate complaints).
Add to that how spending $70 on a game instead of going out means I won't wake up hungover, stinking of beer and cigarettes, with a halfeaten kebab on my table, and already late to work.
In line with what I've seen from other polls and whatnot.
In terms of how it's inconsistent with attitudes on era, I think folks on ERA dislike the design of the PS5 much more than the lay person. I think people here think a lot more about how a console will look in their home entertainment centre and whatnot, and I can see the PS5 standing out in a bad way in many.
I also think that folks here in general place a lot more favourable view on the Series X and its lineup. The folks I see talk about these systems outside of ERA are really very critical of the game lineup on the Series X. I think ERA also over-emphasises the value of Game Pass. I'm not convinced that most people even want these game-subscription services, the fact that most people want a physical system suggests they're still invested in that purchase and re-sell cycle.
In terms of how it's inconsistent with attitudes on era, I think folks on ERA dislike the design of the PS5 much more than the lay person. I think people here think a lot more about how a console will look in their home entertainment centre and whatnot, and I can see the PS5 standing out in a bad way in many.
I also think that folks here in general place a lot more favourable view on the Series X and its lineup. The folks I see talk about these systems outside of ERA are really very critical of the game lineup on the Series X. I think ERA also over-emphasises the value of Game Pass. I'm not convinced that most people even want these game-subscription services, the fact that most people want a physical system suggests they're still invested in that purchase and re-sell cycle.
hey I can do all those things playing games too! But the beer is a lot cheaper at home
True. And you won't have to deal with all those annoying people!
But really, quitting going to pubs, quitting alcohol and quitting nicotine has been the best thing to come out of COVID for me. I get to just stay alone at home to watch movies, play games and watch true crime on YouTube. It's paradise.
They have 7 years for next generation to change minds, and they know opinions change. I don't think this would be too concerning for them.
now if this was the picture in 2023...
If you're price-conscious, you don't buy at launch. I don't care if $100 becomes standard for AAA, as long as games still eventually drop to the point that they go on sale for $5-20. Buying a game at release is paying the highest possible amount of money for what is usually the worst state the product will be in. If you wait a year, it will be cheap and have all the updates it's probably going to get. Sometimes it's worth it to me to buy launch day. I preordered Miles Morales, usually do with the Resident Evil games too. Most of the time it's not.
congrats on kicking those bad habits. For a while I was drinking a lot more than normal but I've made myself go back to normal (about 1x week)
I mean just look at all the social media metrics. PS5 clearly has more excitement than Xbox. MKBHD unboxing video has almost 10 million views. Crazy!
Thanks! I feel better and my bank account definitely feels better! As an introvert I just got tired from going out anyway, especially if I went out sober.
Neither of them look particularly great. The XSX is a black box, but I'd say it looks better than the weird Alienware router design of the PS5.
