Goodness. Shoot these people into the sun. Game needs a warning ASAP.
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Game Informer: Cyberpunk 2077 Epileptic PSA
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Goodness. Shoot these people into the sun. Game needs a warning ASAP.
I'll definitely be cautious playing this, I'm not even epileptic myself (that I know of, anyway), but I did feel nauseous in the past while consuming certain media.
Umbrella Academy season 2 ep 9 has an incredibly uncomfortable scene that I'm still baffled did not come with a seizure warning.
Umbrella Academy season 2 ep 9 has an incredibly uncomfortable scene that I'm still baffled did not come with a seizure warning.
Yeah, Hanlon's razor applies.
That they're negligent is already really reprehensible anyway, so intent is immaterial, honestly.
I watched EP1 of Mandalorian over the weekend and there is a blacksmith scene where each hammer blow is a flashback which nearly sent me in to a spin and I'm not photosensitive at all.
I hope not at this point, you can bet people will use it
This could be a bad issue on streaming platforms maliciously or accidentally
I suppose that if it turns out that you don't give a shit about minorities being actively harmed with by your game, it turns out that you probably didn't think about a subset of people who might be harmed by your game.
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They are developers. It's their job to make sure stuff they include in their game is safe.
I don't think citing Kid Icarus on NES as an example is especially relevant to 2020 come on.
It's good if patch adds splash screen warning, but ideally patch would alter flickers that need to stay and remove filler ones to minimize risk of an episode from them.
Edit: derp me :| Offline people who never patch are screwed, yeah.
It's apparently pretty central part of the game as feature (braindance that is) so it makes them to market it. As someone who doesn't have epilepsy I really didn't think about it as it didn't come across as that intense, unlike in some games and movies with very intense flickering.
But yeah, they need to patch that.
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Hard for me to tell exactly what part it is. But I'm glad this thread is here to warn everyone about it.
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I hope that is patched out ASAP. The vast majority of people will play this without reading any kind of news, previews or reviews and not see any warning.
I've read/seen some fucked up stuff on the internet, but this honestly just leaves me speechless. What the hell.
The part right the braindance ends and the mounted lights are still flashing for a second or two, I'm guessing. Around 0:51-0:54
Thats what I thought at first but then the article describes them as white and red so I dunno.
WTF this is why we need internet police and real ramifications for being a piece of shit online.
There are flashing red lights on the sides of the device
EDIT: Screenshot before the flashing
Got it. I see where they are now. I've seen a lot of different video games have seizure warning screens so I'm pretty surprised this one doesn't.There are flashing red lights on the sides of the device
EDIT: Screenshot before the flashing
Seems like people who are prone to seizure due to flashing lights should be careful playing Cyberpunk 2077. It even includes a certain flashing light pattern very close to a pattern doctors use to trigger seizure on purpose. Be warned.
Cyberpunk 2077 Epileptic PSA
For those excited about Cyberpunk 2077 but are vulnerable to epileptic episodes, here are a few things you need to know.www.gameinformer.com
WTF why on purpose?
This is beyond messed up. Why would they think this is ok?
You should probably just go ahead and not include this kind of imagery in your game. because it's ableist AF. No warning covers how irresponsible this is.
I think this sort of thing would be ok include IF it's a well labeled option that's off by default that includes all kinds of warnings about turning it on. But to just include these sort of visual effects by default without any warning is fucked. If not for some of the other stuff related to the devs surrounding this game I would be willing to give the devs the benefit of the doubt but they don't really deserve the benefit of the doubt at this point.
This seems like a particularly bad example of it, but seizure inducing problems are pretty common in gaming in overall and more ought to be done to counteract it. I don't know what kind of controls and testing are done, but basic safety guidelines should exist for this if they don't already. You can't expect developers to know all of this independently unless you set guidelines, communicate, and enforce them.
Budi mentioned this in his post earlier, there are guidelines but seemingly no repercussions for not abiding by them:
Great that this is discussed, devs really should avoid stuff like this whenever they can. Or atleast offer options to turn off some of these effects, like Stardew Valley in example does with it's lightning effect. I don't think people really understand how common problem this is with games though. Playing Knights & Bikes last year with an epileptic friend made me incredibly anxious, because the game makes these transitions with sudden incredibly bright white screens. Everytime got me thinking if it's potentially bad for her. And honestly I got bit angry at the devs for doing the transitions this way. Was still great fun to play the game with her.
Some ERA darlings are guilty of this too, but it just has never(?) been brought up before here. https://videogameseizures.wordpress.com/2018/02/15/seizures-from-2017s-best-video-games/
Maybe this controversy helps people pay more attention to and care about this issue in the future.
Is there an option in settings to disable strong flashing sequences like the "suit up" one? cause ugh, if not then WHAT THE FUCK CDPR?!?!?
I shouldn't have looked up this scene, I already feel sick. I can't believe going to a movie theater and see that scene on a silver screen.
Disney or Pixar or whoever should've gotten some sort of punishment or compensation for putting in a seizure-inducing scene in a fucking kids movie.
This is an issue in like majority of action video games that exist. It's not new to Cyberpunk 2077. Anyone with epilepsy will know that almost every game has a warning up front to make players aware. Doesn't mean more shouldn't be done to allow players to avoid it.
But this doesnt even have the warning up and that isn't just the problem
Most certainly not. 99% of games do not. If there happens to be someone with x disability in QA then that's a bonus but it's not deliberate that they're putting the game in front of those people to test.
Also I think it's okay to make games that feature content like this, you just need...
A) warnings
B) options to turn the flashing features off
I will probably get a migraine from this sequence in Cyberpunk, but not a seizure.
There are flashing red lights on the sides of the device
EDIT: Screenshot before the flashing
This is from the trailer however many months ago, I wonder how this is only coming to light now?
Yep. Maybe I missed the part about no warnings in game...are there warnings? If not then that's a really dangerous oversight.
This is just another example that games need to have better accessibility options. I don't remember the name but I have played a game before that allowed you to disable flashing lights if you suffer from epilepsy or if you just don't like them. This should be a common option for every game, modes for color blindness and full customization of controls too. I mean imagine a game that has voice acting but no subtitles.It would be unplayable for a lot of people.
Yeah earlier in the thread, an Ars Technica reviewer confirmed no title card warnings
Do games not legally have to have those warnings?
At any rate, it seems like it would be simple enough to patch in a mode that simply doesn't have the lights flash on this machine. In a game with so much flashing neon shit everywhere though (especially at night), I have to imagine a game like this is a nightmare for people who deal with seizures. If the game is easily moddable, perhaps players will quickly pick up the torch and do it for them.
I assume this is just a coincidental oversight they didn't consider (like a lot of games that fail seizure standards, including a bunch of Nintendo's critical darlings), but it's definitely an egregious oversight simply because the game actively flashes lights at you.
I remember feeling really uncomfortable during that scene, and watched it at the theater, so it was also pitch dark, which only heightened the effect. I actually looked away at one point.
It's the kind of negative reaction that is very easy to notice and conclude it's not a pleasant experience to the viewer. I can't imagine playtesters never played this game in the dark during these scenes. Then again, I'm starting to wonder if this game even was playtested much. This is sounding more and more like Oversight: The Game.
This is the author of the article's twitter, it looks like it's been intensified since the pre-release?
On the youtube video it dosnt look nothing out of the ordinary, at least for people without sensibility problems.
In any case, they should patch it out, dosnt really add that much to the experience.
Why am I excited to get to this and see how it affects me? :p I'm sure they will patch it before I get the chance though.
Ah fair enough, bit odd for them to intensify that section unless they did a broad sweep and intensified all light sources
Sir! Lights aren't seizure inducing enough! Increase the intensity!
