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Game Freak aside, I really feel bad for James Turner having to take the brunt of some of the Sword/Shield criticisms
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dont know about the art design as a whole, but the designs of the new pokemon are mostly solid so far
It obviously looks better than Sun and Moon, but that's just a matter of showing up given how much of a disaster those games were.
I'm pretty pleased with the very few Pokemon designs we've seen so far. It's looking like that'll be at least one part of the game that turns out alright.
Pretty sure hate for him is made up though, unless you have some links to share? To the extent there is criticism aimed at the art director (?), I can't imagine it's significant.
I'm pretty pleased with the very few Pokemon designs we've seen so far. It's looking like that'll be at least one part of the game that turns out alright.
Pretty sure hate for him is made up though, unless you have some links to share? To the extent there is criticism aimed at the art director (?), I can't imagine it's significant.
Confirmed hate is for: dexit, wingull animation and n64 tree. Art is not a mainstream hate. Please dont try to disperse the condensed backlash of the community against gamefreak.
The Pokemon and NPC designs are still good and in line with the series legacy.
The overworld looks not good though (it's a weird mishmash of styles) and the robotic, aimless animations of the Pokemon are a testament to "leaving things in your imagination." No team could animate 800 (or 600, or 151) creatures convincingly for an open world game, so maybe they shouldn't have. I don't know what seeing wild Pokemon adds to the gameplay loop anyway (it generally detracted from Let's Go but helped in the specific case of shiny hunting I guess), so maybe random encounters was the way to go.
The overworld looks not good though (it's a weird mishmash of styles) and the robotic, aimless animations of the Pokemon are a testament to "leaving things in your imagination." No team could animate 800 (or 600, or 151) creatures convincingly for an open world game, so maybe they shouldn't have. I don't know what seeing wild Pokemon adds to the gameplay loop anyway (it generally detracted from Let's Go but helped in the specific case of shiny hunting I guess), so maybe random encounters was the way to go.
Way to write off an entire post by zoning in on the one thing you can easily dismiss lol.
A quarter the length of the map, I should have said. Which goes to show how small the Wild Area actually is. The entire Lake area looks tiny as well.
I'm still not finding a group movement against James Turner's artstyle. Everyone loves Wooloo and would die for it and have a fancy for Corviknight so I'm still flummoxed by what OP is saying.
It's still wrong because the map isn't 1:1 with the actual game.Way to write off an entire post by zoning in on the one thing you can easily dismiss lol.
A quarter the length of the map, I should have said. Which goes to show how small the Wild Area actually is. The entire Lake area looks tiny as well.
Nah these three gens have some of the best Pokemon in the series, and Gen 6 and 7 were phenomenal, opting to go for quality over quantity.
Yeah, this isn't a thing. lol The art direction might be the one aspect of these games that hardcore fans don't have much of an issue with. I know I've loved the general look of things, as well as every Pokémon and trainer design we've seen so far, despite being very put off by some of Game Freak's decisions this time around.
People have been complaining about, ordered by volume:
1. Lack of compatibility with every previous Pokemon species (the dex issue). This is totally justified as it's a core part of the experience.
2. Graphics and animations, mostly due to the fact that they were given as the reason for removing the national dex. Admittedly a minority of people have been complaining about them even before, but most of it is a reaction to the dex issue.
3. Removal of mega evolutions and Z-moves. I think if it weren't for the dex issue this would have been a bigger deal, but it was kinda swallowed up by the bigger controversy.
All of the newly revealed pokemon were accepted really well, from the starters to Wooloo, Corviknight, Yamper... The only ones that raised eyebrows were the box legendaries.
1. Lack of compatibility with every previous Pokemon species (the dex issue). This is totally justified as it's a core part of the experience.
2. Graphics and animations, mostly due to the fact that they were given as the reason for removing the national dex. Admittedly a minority of people have been complaining about them even before, but most of it is a reaction to the dex issue.
3. Removal of mega evolutions and Z-moves. I think if it weren't for the dex issue this would have been a bigger deal, but it was kinda swallowed up by the bigger controversy.
All of the newly revealed pokemon were accepted really well, from the starters to Wooloo, Corviknight, Yamper... The only ones that raised eyebrows were the box legendaries.
Thank you. People really need to understand this.The tree is emblematic of the game's rough visuals/general presentation across the board imo. Like of course the textures on it would likely have been fixed up for release...but will they fix the awful pop-in? And the skyboxes? What about the rough overworld and attack animations? Will they continue to use the same tree models literally everywhere, often right next to each other? And how about the areas of completely flat ground with the same ugly textures for grass/snow/sand, etc? And the bike's wheels clipping through the ground? I could go on and on. You can say the game is not released yet all you want, but...they're probably less than four months from going gold, and there's a lot we can gleam from what they've shown so far.
So yeah...it's not just a single tree that everyone is freaking out over. And the sad thing is that...if it weren't for the Pokemon culling controversy, most of the fans would have quietly accepted all of this as just par for the course when it comes to Game Freak. But when Masuda is literally citing improved graphics/animations as a reason for the cull, then you best believe they open themselves up to having those aspects scrutinized. It really has been the straw that broke the camel's back.
Granted, I'm obviously open to the possibility that there's more going on in the game that we haven't seen yet, but knowing Game Freak, I'd be super surprised if that were the case. They've always iterated at a snails pace, and I don't think it's 'lazy dev rhetoric' to acknowledge that they aren't the most technically proficient studio, as evidenced by their games consistently being poorly optimized. Hell, even the much touted Wild Area seems like it's not much bigger or more involved than Ocarina of Time's Hyrule Field.
Look at this screen of like a freaking quarter of the entire Galar map:
Now, none of this is to say that people aren't allowed to find the games visually appealing, but I just don't think it can be denied that Game Freak are like a decade behind the competition...and they don't have the excuse of being limited by the hardware anymore. Plenty of other devs transitioned to HD and from handheld to console hardware without these kinds of issues, let alone a studio like Game Freak that literally sells like 8 million full-priced copies of what would be $10 DLC by industry standards. They can afford to either hire more staff, or elevate their technical expertise. There's really no excuse outside of corporate greed imo, and I would find it very weird for people to champion that.
I'm sure the game will be fun, but it looks to me as if corners were cut in order to hit the Holiday 2019 target.
Heaven forbid I disagree and share an anecdotal story right? If you took that as pot stirring then I would say relax.
Gaming enthusiasts getting unreasonably enraged about something in a video game and directing their rage at the wrong person? Color me shocked! Absolutely shocked!
Reminds me a lot of when Seth Killian took the brunt of Mega Man fans' rage after Legends 3 was canceled as part of that awful string of cancellations alongside Mega Man being cut from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and not having another incarnation replace him (Zero does NOT count). It was a terrible time to be a Blue Bomber fan, sure, but Seth deserved none of the absurd amount of shit he got and the Mega Man community made itself look incredibly bad, immature, and outright dumb as a result (at least back then; I'd like to think it's at least somewhat bounced back since).
We can look to Secret of Mana's intro for context here: "But time flows like a river, and history repeats..."
Reminds me a lot of when Seth Killian took the brunt of Mega Man fans' rage after Legends 3 was canceled as part of that awful string of cancellations alongside Mega Man being cut from Marvel vs. Capcom 3 and not having another incarnation replace him (Zero does NOT count). It was a terrible time to be a Blue Bomber fan, sure, but Seth deserved none of the absurd amount of shit he got and the Mega Man community made itself look incredibly bad, immature, and outright dumb as a result (at least back then; I'd like to think it's at least somewhat bounced back since).
We can look to Secret of Mana's intro for context here: "But time flows like a river, and history repeats..."
The OP has failed to produce any actual evidence of this. Nobody in the thread has seen anyone attacking James, either.
Seems like the thread was more intended as a way of stoking the anti-backlash outrage further.
The tree is emblematic of the game's rough visuals/general presentation across the board imo. Like of course the textures on it would likely have been fixed up for release...but will they fix the awful pop-in? And the skyboxes? What about the rough overworld and attack animations? Will they continue to use the same tree models literally everywhere, often right next to each other? And how about the areas of completely flat ground with the same ugly textures for grass/snow/sand, etc? And the bike's wheels clipping through the ground? I could go on and on. You can say the game is not released yet all you want, but...they're probably less than four months from going gold, and there's a lot we can gleam from what they've shown so far.
So yeah...it's not just a single tree that everyone is freaking out over. And the sad thing is that...if it weren't for the Pokemon culling controversy, most of the fans would have quietly accepted all of this as just par for the course when it comes to Game Freak. But when Masuda is literally citing improved graphics/animations as a reason for the cull, then you best believe they open themselves up to having those aspects scrutinized. It really has been the straw that broke the camel's back.
Granted, I'm obviously open to the possibility that there's more going on in the game that we haven't seen yet, but knowing Game Freak, I'd be super surprised if that were the case. They've always iterated at a snails pace, and I don't think it's 'lazy dev rhetoric' to acknowledge that they aren't the most technically proficient studio, as evidenced by their games consistently being poorly optimized. Hell, even the much touted Wild Area seems like it's not much bigger or more involved than Ocarina of Time's Hyrule Field.
Look at this screen of like a freaking quarter of the entire Galar map:
Now, none of this is to say that people aren't allowed to find the games visually appealing, but I just don't think it can be denied that Game Freak are like a decade behind the competition...and they don't have the excuse of being limited by the hardware anymore. Plenty of other devs transitioned to HD and from handheld to console hardware without these kinds of issues, let alone a studio like Game Freak that literally sells like 8 million full-priced copies of what would be $10 DLC by industry standards. They can afford to either hire more staff, or elevate their technical expertise. There's really no excuse outside of corporate greed imo, and I would find it very weird for people to champion that.
this is one of the most ridiculous and nonsensical post i've ever seen on the internet
it's so blatantly full of lies and conspiracy theories it's incredible
Fair enough. I suppose the unfortunate part, then, is that it's so easy to take for granted that this has occurred, is occurring, or will occur in the future. That's kind of the hardcore gaming community (or at least a vocal part of it)'s MO these days: exploding into extreme rage and harassing game industry folks (whether it's the "right" or wrong folks in each situation) when they don't get something they want, or do get something they don't want. :/
The art is alright. I mean it's based in the UK. So for me the art is nothing special as I live in the UK...it looks like British countryside which after Sun/Moon's hawaii theme for me is just boring.
It's probably the most boring looking pokemon world design of all time. But that fits with it needing to look like the UK ...okay that was a bit mean hehe
I see no Cornish scenery or Scottish highland scenery in the games...they are really good parts of the UK
It's probably the most boring looking pokemon world design of all time. But that fits with it needing to look like the UK ...okay that was a bit mean hehe
I see no Cornish scenery or Scottish highland scenery in the games...they are really good parts of the UK
Uhh...mind pointing out where the lies are? Seriously, back up your claims, because I'm ready to.
Are we not allow to criticize an art direction if it's by a new director? Or are we just assuming all the criticism is toxic?
I don't have particular interest in this franchise anymore but I think the world looks bland even ignoring the technical issues and with the technical issues looks pretty poor. The new Pokémon are pretty solid though.
I don't have particular interest in this franchise anymore but I think the world looks bland even ignoring the technical issues and with the technical issues looks pretty poor. The new Pokémon are pretty solid though.
So the entire post was lies and conspiracy theories because of that one thing? I already replied to someone else earlier on this page that I meant a quarter the length of the entire region. Because I mean...it is.
Like...doesn't that seem weird to you? Those two cities are super close to each other in a way that makes the world seem really small. I can't even think of another (fully 3D) rpg with a similar sense of scale like that. And the lake area is genuinely small, too. We've seen it from like every angle already in the gameplay footage so far, so I'm not pulling this out of my ass. I'll be very surprised if it's bigger than Ocarina's Hyrule Field.
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Hyrule Field size is preferable for the current style of gameplay tbh. I remember when people were hyped about just the potential of bigger areas and camera control but seem to be backpedaling now.
I think you overestimate the size of hyrule field.So the entire post was lies and conspiracy theories because of that one thing? I already replied to someone else earlier on this page that I meant a quarter the length of the entire region. Because I mean...it is.
Like...doesn't that seem weird to you? Those two cities are super close to each other in a way that makes the world seem really small. I can't even think of another (fully 3D) rpg with a similar sense of scale like that. And the lake area is genuinely small, too. We've seen it from like every angle already in the gameplay footage so far, so I'm not pulling this out of my ass. I'll be very surprised if it's bigger than Ocarina's Hyrule Field.
Its also a game in development thats still months out while we were shown a E3 demo thats who knows how old, why are we concemtrating on a tree in the breakdown
Spin all you want but this clearly isnt a puddle gate
Gamefreak has gotten passes in a lot of ways for a long time, itll be more obvious with them on console. Youkai watch 4 looks significantly better imo and sort of a shame we arent getting it
what? I totally missed this. the new pokemon are super exciting and imho some of the best since Gen 2.
Yo-Kai Watch 4 runs remarkably poorly.
Not to say for certain that Sword and Shield doesn't, mind you, but people would be furious if Game Freak put out a game with technical performance that bad.
Pretty sure the criticism is directed to GF as a whole, and deservedly so. This game is a disappointment tech-wise but that's GF for you after GBC so not sure what people expect.
Nessa is probably the best designed character in whole pokemon history imo, after Red
Nessa is probably the best designed character in whole pokemon history imo, after Red
And temporarily lopped off hundreds of Yo-kai in the meantime
My demo playthrough was 1920x1080 and incredibly smooth. I didn't notice a single frame drop
Because the one comment we've had from Game Freak is that they cut Pokemon in not just Sw/Sh but every future mainline title because they are focusing on visual quality. And yet the game looks extremely mediocre for the hardware - poor animation, low resolution muddy textures, lack of detail, lack of foliage, flat lighting, you name it. The tree is basically the "wall guy" of this game, an easy symbol to mock that sums up the mood towards the product as a whole. I'm sure the visuals will improve a little before release (I mean, we've seen freaking floating walls in the trailer, they have to), but you expect they'll really polish up the game up enough visually to make the removal of hundreds of Pokemon satisfactory?
As for criticism towards the art of the game, the only bit I've seen is directed towards that ugly pink demon thing, people are going mad over Wooloo, Nessa and the female trainer - you'd expect Reddit to be ablaze but it's been very civil there, with the current method of mocking Dexit being to draw Pokemon disguised as others trying to sneak over the Galar border.
If you're talking about the tree, that's not how it usually looks. It's a compressed stream in the rain when things are dulled and blurred for the rain atmosphere and so forth. People have taken it to extremes. I mean the trees don't look amazing but they're fine considering the style.
They're going for a style like an anime/manga. What detail is missing?
I don't understand this as there's plenty
Can you explain how it's flat as from what I've seen, it isn't...
SM is too childish for me.Dope
Dull (generally nice but unexcting for a pokemon game)
SwSh players would fit well in the average teen themed adventure game but considering pokemon's legacy they're underwhelming here. Too pedestrian, not edgy enough lol.
So the entire post was lies and conspiracy theories because of that one thing? I already replied to someone else earlier on this page that I meant a quarter the length of the entire region. Because I mean...it is.
Like...doesn't that seem weird to you? Those two cities are super close to each other in a way that makes the world seem really small. I can't even think of another (fully 3D) rpg with a similar sense of scale like that. And the lake area is genuinely small, too. We've seen it from like every angle already in the gameplay footage so far, so I'm not pulling this out of my ass. I'll be very surprised if it's bigger than Ocarina's Hyrule Field.
have you ever heard of the concept of landscape
it's as ridiculous as saying that because you can see the center of hyrule's field in this map, it's that small. like, that's not how perspective works dude
not to mention that not everything is 1:1 in this map, it's not supposed to be more than a representation of the repartition of galar's areas. the cities, as we've seen, are much bigger than what they look to be in the map (and that makes sense otherwise the map would be bloated when drawn)
and pretty much everything else on your post was based on poor generalizations and a general bad faith regarding the visual aspects of this game. especially the example of the tree which just shows that it's overall a regurgitation of the dumb arguments you'd find spammed under an official pokémon tweet
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I really don't feel like taking screenshots on this sluggish laptop so I've give you a random image from Google:
I mean, just look at the wild areas, they're huge flat expanses with barely any detail at all, a few trees, a few criss-crossed extremely low resolution tufts of grass meshes, very little in the way of elevation changes, no flora or fauna. Wild? They look more like someone's neatly trimmed lawn. The ground and tree textures are hot garbage and stand out like a sore thumb against the nice character models. The lighting is self explanatory, blaring spotlights above and barely any shadows (due to the lack of foliage) combine to offer no depth in the colour palette, turn Oblivion on PC down to low settings and you're looking at the same lack of detail. And no, a bit of overblown bloom doesn't cover it up. The obligatory patches of wild Pokemon grass dotted around look fine, but the rest is a joke compared to both BotW and Xenoblade. Speaking of, here is just a random generic looking Xenoblade 2 image from Google for comparison.
Same hardware, comparable numbers of staff. "It's anime style" is a terrible excuse, Eternal Sonata shares a very similar visual style and yet still has significantly more impressive geography and a bit extra foliage in its similarly sized fields despite being 12 years old.
I have shown various screenshots that show that it's not flat but here's one which shows shadows and foliage while being on a slopeI really don't feel like taking screenshots on this sluggish laptop so I've give you a random image from Google:
I mean, just look at the wild areas, they're huge flat expanses with barely any detail at all, a few trees, a few criss-crossed extremely low resolution tufts of grass meshes, very little in the way of elevation changes, no flora or fauna. Wild? They look more like someone's neatly trimmed lawn. The ground and tree textures are hot garbage and stand out like a sore thumb against the nice character models. The lighting is self explanatory, blaring spotlights above and barely any shadows (due to the lack of foliage) combine to offer no depth in the colour palette, turn Oblivion on PC down to low settings and you're looking at the same lack of detail. And no, a bit of overblown bloom doesn't cover it up. The obligatory patches of wild Pokemon grass dotted around look fine, but the rest is a joke compared to both BotW and Xenoblade. Speaking of, here is just a random generic looking Xenoblade 2 image from Google for comparison.
Same hardware, comparable numbers of staff. "It's anime style" is a terrible excuse, Eternal Sonata shares a very similar visual style and yet still has significantly more impressive geography and a bit extra foliage in its similarly sized fields despite being 12 years old.
All show heights, slopes, foliage, terrain, shadows (when applicable...no shadows in cloud when raining). I could provide many more similar screenshots if you wish.
I could also cherry pick some flat areas in Breath of the Wild to make the point too, saying how it's flat and lifeless.
I really don't feel like taking screenshots on this sluggish laptop so I've give you a random image from Google:
I mean, just look at the wild areas, they're huge flat expanses with barely any detail at all, a few trees, a few criss-crossed extremely low resolution tufts of grass meshes, very little in the way of elevation changes, no flora or fauna. Wild? They look more like someone's neatly trimmed lawn. The ground and tree textures are hot garbage and stand out like a sore thumb against the nice character models. The lighting is self explanatory, blaring spotlights above and barely any shadows (due to the lack of foliage) combine to offer no depth in the colour palette, turn Oblivion on PC down to low settings and you're looking at the same lack of detail. And no, a bit of overblown bloom doesn't cover it up. The obligatory patches of wild Pokemon grass dotted around look fine, but the rest is a joke compared to both BotW and Xenoblade. Speaking of, here is just a random generic looking Xenoblade 2 image from Google for comparison.
Same hardware, comparable numbers of staff. "It's anime style" is a terrible excuse, Eternal Sonata shares a very similar visual style and yet still has significantly more impressive geography and a bit extra foliage in its similarly sized fields despite being 12 years old.
nice cherry pick
wild areas are also this. they're a varied huge environment with different landscapes (and yes, flat landscapes also exist in real life). because the hardware allows it doesn't mean that you have to make everything bloated like in xenoblade 2 (which is not a bad thing, but just a different artstyle resulting in a much lower rendering resolution compared to pokémon), just looking at zelda botw shows that doing things more simplistic works perfectly as well
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I mean.. I hope they eventually add more Pokemon's throughout updates.. I don't know let's wait and see.
One, you selected the whole dragon city and beyond on the map when that isn't visible in that shot, and two, I already said the map isn't representative of the actual game.So the entire post was lies and conspiracy theories because of that one thing? I already replied to someone else earlier on this page that I meant a quarter the length of the entire region. Because I mean...it is.
Like...doesn't that seem weird to you? Those two cities are super close to each other in a way that makes the world seem really small. I can't even think of another (fully 3D) rpg with a similar sense of scale like that. And the lake area is genuinely small, too. We've seen it from like every angle already in the gameplay footage so far, so I'm not pulling this out of my ass. I'll be very surprised if it's bigger than Ocarina's Hyrule Field.