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How do you view the new Nintendo Switch model in terms of a hardware upgrade?

  • As a mid-gen refresh (e.g. Xbox One S → Xbox One X, etc.)

    Votes: 114 48.7%
  • As an iterative successor (e.g. iPhone 11 → iPhone 12, etc.)

    Votes: 120 51.3%

  • Total voters
    234
  • Poll closed .

TheSentry42

Member
Nov 2, 2017
1,249
Im about to buy a second Switch, the Monster hunter bundle but all these talk make me wonder if a would wait...

To me it seems many people think a new revision of the Switch hardware probably won't show up until the Fall...

So I guess you have to ask yourself if you can wait another 6-9 months or not.
 

Raccoon

Member
May 31, 2019
15,896
Starting a new OT series begets a lot of choices. You guys have had a particularly long gestation period over the past year, and in that time you've had the privilege of developing a culture and community, with recognized posting conventions and known regulars.

In becoming a formal and maintained OT you are functionally faced with one question: do you want to be the First Party OT, the general OT, or some happy medium between? You haven't made that decision yet, not really, and you have markings of both: a highly formal original post and rules like the First Party thread, but a sense of urgency like the former Direct threads.

Ideally this medium can be maintained, and you're in a prime position to master the community OT. Careful planning and a steady hand from Dakhil could positively change the site's culture forever. No pressure though.
 

Lwill

Member
Oct 28, 2017
1,627
So, bases on the reliable sources from before, are these most consistent bulletpoints?

4K
Uses DLSS
Uses A78s
At least as powerful as the XB1

Did I miss anything?
 

LuigiV

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,686
Perth, Australia
Not just cost. Having the slot in the dock menast you need to send the data over the same connection that you send the image, controller information,etc over.
I could asume that its either to slow or to bandwidth limited for it to work?
Depending on how they implement it. With USB 4 there should be no problem, but who knows...
That wouldn't be an issue at all. Switch cartridges only read at 25MB/s, there's plenty of bandwidth for that. AV and Data are connected on different pins in the USB-C socket, so they don't compete for bandwidth, and the data pins are hardly saturated by the small number of peripherals we can attach. Would be no different to playing games off an external USB storage device, which you can already do with homebrew.
 
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Dakhil

Member
Mar 26, 2019
4,459
Orange County, CA
as for people trying to get access to details, you invite that by using the hide function. sorry guys, that's just how it goes. we (the direct people) have been there
I don't mind people doing that if people are posting relevant and interesting comments. I've only used the hide function to hide the links to post from potential insider(s) since I've provided a summarisation of what potential insider(s) say that anybody can see in the OP.
 

Raccoon

Member
May 31, 2019
15,896
I don't mind people doing that if people are posting relevant and interesting comments. I've only used the hide function to hide the links to post from potential insider(s) since I've provided a summarisation of what potential insider(s) say that anybody can see in the OP.
this is all completely fair in principle and I support it. I'm only speaking to what you're inviting in practice

a threadmark could serve you well if you want to press the issue further
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
17,286
Midgar, With Love

TheSentry42

Member
Nov 2, 2017
1,249
I totally trust Nate and other trustworthy sources with the info about new Switch Pro
high power levels, DLSS, and 4K... but a part of me that has been let down by Nintendo one too many times over the past 3 decades just is too scared to believe and hope that this revision is as good as people are claiming...
 

TheSentry42

Member
Nov 2, 2017
1,249
So, bases on the reliable sources from before, are these most consistent bulletpoints?

4K
Uses DLSS
Uses A78s
At least as powerful as the XB1

Has anyone heard any rumors on prices for this Switch Pro?

I'm guessing if this new model is to replace the OG Switch then they'll price it at $299 (especially with the XSeriesS is $299).

But if they keep the OG Switch on the market when they release this revision then I'm guessing they'd launch the Pro at $399.
 

NineTailSage

Member
Jan 26, 2020
1,449
Hidden Leaf
Do we have any reading on the viability of NVIDIA and Nintendo adding a few Megabytes of SRAM or Cache Memory to the SoC in order to Offset the speed of the LPDDR5?

Think what Microsoft did with the Xbox Ones or what AMD is doing with the RX 6000 GPU's and Infinity Cache.

I say that a few megs of cache or SRAM shouldn't add too much to the cost of the system, and those few megabytes can go a long way as shown with the RX 6000 Cards.

Well if the rumors of Orin using Lovelace as it's GPU architecture and if Switch Advance is based on Orin, then yes.
Nvidia is supposed to have their version of infinity cache in the new Lovelace design...
 

Gay Bowser

Member
Oct 30, 2017
17,711
I still can't imagine the revision launches this year but I would love to be proven wrong

I go either way. Like, on the one hand, there's a global semiconductor shortage. On the other hand, I think it's possible that a fall release date for the revision would already include a delay, and they might not want to delay it further.
 

JershJopstin

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,332
Why did you hide this? It's just based on datamined info found on Twitter; not really something worth the influx of "secrets please" posts. I'll also add that we really have no idea how much of an impact Nintendo moving from an externally developed matchmaking API and servers to internal ones will have on the actual user experience. That info is rather over-hyped for what it is.

If it was for the April NSO bit, that's fine to have in the open too. It's been discussed across multiple threads.
 

SiG

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,485
Im about to buy a second Switch, the Monster hunter bundle but all these talk make me wonder if a would wait...
It's safe to get the Monster Hunter bundle if you can secure it. We don't expect this revision announcement anytime soon, especially with the global chip shortage in effect.
 

Alovon11

Member
Jan 8, 2021
1,125
Well if the rumors of Orin using Lovelace as it's GPU architecture and if Switch Advance is based on Orin, then yes.
Nvidia is supposed to have their version of infinity cache in the new Lovelace design...
Wait, is this verified?
The only things I know about Lovelace outside of Orin is the rumored Ada SKU thing and I don't know if that Ada leak is accurate or not.
 

SiG

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,485
I totally trust Nate and other trustworthy sources with the info about new Switch Pro
high power levels, DLSS, and 4K... but a part of me that has been let down by Nintendo one too many times over the past 3 decades just is too scared to believe and hope that this revision is as good as people are claiming...
As I've mentioned before, the past 3 decades were with AMD/IBM.

This is now a new era with Nvidia/ARM.
Has anyone heard any rumors on prices for this Switch Pro?

I'm guessing if this new model is to replace the OG Switch then they'll price it at $299 (especially with the XSeriesS is $299).

But if they keep the OG Switch on the market when they release this revision then I'm guessing they'd launch the Pro at $399.
First of all, I doubt they will call it a "Switch Pro". They will likely call it something else (due to the Nintendo Switch already having a Pro Controller. A Nintendo Switch Pro Controller).

Second, it would be very hard to guess the pricing simply due to the current circumstances of tech and the global chip shortage. It really comes down to what they're aiming for and if they intend to keep the Mariko SKU for around much longer.

I still can't imagine the revision launches this year but I would love to be proven wrong
It's likely the announcement could be made this year, with a release for next year. There's simply too much going around at the moment to make any solid claims.
 

Daneel_O

Member
Oct 28, 2017
294
That isn't something they should decide now.

It's not a good time now for a "next gen" because Switch is at the peak of popularity, I believe you agree here. If the revision renews people interest and it's still popular 4 years later, it will similarly be the moment for a new revision rather than "new gen".

The moment a revision is unable to hold people interest for several years, it's time for a "next gen" with some new selling point to regain the public interest.

I don't think the Switch will last dozens of iterations, but I think it will have at least another revision in 2024/2025, before a new system in 2028+. Of course, thats assuming a substantial upgrade, cause a small one won't renew interest just stretch the current one a little.

Mmm, I would be very surprised if they didn't know already what's the plan for the next "platform" or revision. There are some very critical decisions to take now if they want to go the continuous iteration route, you cannot just go along with it based on sales only in my opinion.
And I still believe pulling out something like that would be too complicated to manage for Nintendo and their user base, and largely unnecessary.
 

Gay Bowser

Member
Oct 30, 2017
17,711
First of all, I doubt they will call it a "Switch Pro". They will likely call it something else (due to the Nintendo Switch already having a Pro Controller. A Nintendo Switch Pro Controller).

You're saying Nintendo wouldn't ever want to have a potentially confusing name? 😅

I agree that other names are more likely, though. Switch Plus, Switch Max…heck, they almost called the DSi XL the DSi Deluxe, so Switch Deluxe is a possibility. And of course, it could just be the Switch 2 (though as of this moment I think it being a different premium-tier model is more likely).
 

SiG

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,485
You're saying Nintendo wouldn't ever want to have a potentially confusing name? 😅
That and I really doubt they will follow the naming conventions of their competitors.

Even if it were a proper successor to the current Switch, I don't think they will name it Nintendo Switch 2. The Super Nintendo wasn't called the Nintendo 2, was it?
 

NineTailSage

Member
Jan 26, 2020
1,449
Hidden Leaf
Wait, is this verified?
The only things I know about Lovelace outside of Orin is the rumored Ada SKU thing and I don't know if that Ada leak is accurate or not.

Actually reading up on the RTX 3000 series, apparently Nvidia plans on enabling their version of S.A.M(smart access memory).

This was the where I saw the larger memory cache info, they seem to be quoting kopite7kimi on Twitter for most of this article, who seems to be pretty accurate when it comes to Nvidia tech. I definitely will search through kopite7kimi's Tweets to see if they truly line up though.

Techtimes on Lovelace
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Nvidia Ada Lovelace GPU: Will It Arrive in 2021?

Find out everything about Nvidia's next-gen graphics card here.

Wccftech on Lovelace
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NVIDIA ADA LOVELACE GPU Gets First Rumored Specs: Absolute Monster At 18432 CUDA Cores And 64 TFLOPs Of Graphics Horsepower

We have a very very delicious rumor making the rounds today and it comes from a highly credible source. @kopite7kimi, the Twitter leaker responsible for pretty much all of the Ampere leaks, revealed a tidbit about the upcoming NVIDIA Ada Lovelace architecture (likely called NVIDIA ADA). Our...



 
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Nolbertos

Member
Dec 9, 2017
3,316
So the Switch Pro old speculation thread is closed then? Also, missed the new thread smell but anxious to hear more news on Switch Pro
 

TheSentry42

Member
Nov 2, 2017
1,249
First of all, I doubt they will call it a "Switch Pro". They will likely call it something else (due to the Nintendo Switch already having a Pro Controller. A Nintendo Switch Pro Controller).

You don't have to talk down to me friend, I don't actually believe the new Switch revision will actually be called Switch Pro. It's just a shorthand people toss around in reference to the rumored Switch revision update. But you knew that. That wasn't even the point of my posts.
 

Alovon11

Member
Jan 8, 2021
1,125
I'm not SiG, but Super Nintendo Switch for me.
Similar here.
Although I could see them shortening it to Switch S to make it easier to understand and say.
Also easier to market revisions if they go to a revisionary model as they could just tag numbers onto the S.etc

Or we can have a tick-tock of Switch #, Switch S#
Switch 1, Switch S, Switch 2, Switch S2.etc
 

SiG

Member
Oct 25, 2017
6,485
It's a useful shorthand. I don't think everyone using that as the name necessarily thinks that Nintendo will choose that as a final name.
Well people also use nomeclature like "Switch 2" and I really doubt they will put sequel numbers on their systems like their competitor does.

And quite frankly, the line between "Pro" and "2" is becoming quite blurry...(ironically enough, because of technology like DLSS, which incidentally makes things clearer/sharper).

what would you prefer it be called
I formally call it the Switch successor but then again...
Because any other name would Succ.
Nice one.

To be truthful, I'm partial to Super Nintendo Switch because it is a callback their previous successful generation, and considering the name of their theme park is Super Nintendo World, I'd say they might be precedence for bringing the moniker back, but that's just me.

You don't have to talk down to me friend, I don't actually believe the new Switch revision will actually be called Switch Pro. It's just a shorthand people toss around in reference to the rumored Switch revision update. But you knew that. That wasn't even the point of my posts.
It was not my intention to talk down on anyone. I'm merely explaining why Nintendo probably won't following the same naming scheme as their competitors for obvious reasons, and yet there's always a few people who would ask if this new revision is more of a "Pro" or if it's more of a "5"...I mean "2". It's likely going to be neither.