It will likely be on "The Danger of Echo Chambers" which he... posts to his personal YouTube channel and Twitter where he interacts with people who follow him because they share similar values and ideas.
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Fuck the fandom menace/right wing reactionary fandom bullshit that plagues Youtube and infests movie discussion
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It will likely be on "The Danger of Echo Chambers" which he... posts to his personal YouTube channel and Twitter where he interacts with people who follow him because they share similar values and ideas.
"I actually plan to write in vote for Yang" has to be the most laughable attempt at establishing plausible deniability that I've seen in a long time.
I was wondering why this thread got to 5 pages. Glad I came in to see what all the fuss was about.
Okay, VitoGesualdi, I want to address your points fairly because you've insisted that you're here in good faith and want to have a legitimate conversation and I'm going to take you at your word.
You seem to genuinely consider yourself a "liberal" (a liberal is a center-left person who supports capitalism and retaining existing power structures, which you don't appear to be; you'd probably be more accurately described as a leftist) so I want to address your confusion as to why people keep describing you as a right-wing reactionary. Modern progressivism is largely based around deconstructing multiple different power structures: not just capitalism, but also patriarchy, institutional racism, and other forms of deeply systemic bigotry against marginalized groups. This "intersectional" approach to solving problems is, more or less, the backbone of the modern progressive movement.
Traditional leftism, on the other hand, is largely concerned only with capitalism and not intersectionality. Traditional leftism believes that socialism and the destruction of capitalism will result in the eventual destruction of all other forms of systemic bigotry without needing to take any further action.
As a typical example, if we look at two women, one white and one black, who are both low-income, the two leftist groups would propose different solutions for how to solve the systemic problems they face. The traditional leftist would argue that simply erasing capitalism will solve the problem. The intersectional leftist will agree that we need to dismantle capitalism, but that women face special discrimination that is unrelated to income that also needs to be addressed, and that the black woman in particular suffers even more forms of unique discrimination in every facet of society, and that simply passing economic justice reforms will not solve these problems.
In recent years, as the glaring faultlines in capitalism have become more apparent, many ideas associated with traditional leftism have become more popular with those on the right, such as white people living in rural or post-industrial areas (often mocked with the "economic anxiety" phrasing) who went for Donald Trump in huge numbers in 2016. These individuals support various aspects of traditional leftism, such as living wages, universal basic income, universal healthcare, and maybe even the complete dismantling of capitalism itself, but they somehow ended up voting for Donald Trump. This is because they (falsely) viewed Trump as a disruptor who would somehow shake up the system, economically speaking. It was very clear to them that Trump had no intention of addressing systemic racism, sexism, or homophobia, but they didn't care. Economic justice was their only concern, and the capitalist Hillary Clinton was obviously not going to solve that problem, so Trump was the next best choice.
Candidates like Andrew Yang and (to some extent, mostly pre-2018) Bernie Sanders follow this traditional leftist mold very closely. They are very concerned with economic justice, but largely unconcerned with other forms of systemic discrimination beyond occasional platitudes about fair policing or fair housing. These issues are important, but they all play back into the economic argument, that socialism is a magic cure-all for bigotry. Capitalism is on its way out; this much is obvious. It is not sustainable and it will be dead in the future. Therefore, the future political division in this country isn't between "capitalists" and "lite capitalists" or even between "capitalists" and "socialists," but rather between these two different factions of leftists. The intersectional leftists have become the new left wing, and the traditional leftists have begun allying with their new right-wing allies in pursuit of shared economic goals.
You may describe yourself as a liberal, or a leftist. You can vote for Andrew Yang. You can use whatever terminology to self-identify that you want, but at the end of the day your political goals are very clearly much more closely-aligned with the right than the modern left. It's said that you can know a lot about a person's politics by the issues they consider important, and your content and online presence make it very clear what you consider important. Random, cherrypicked tweets or forum posts about killing white people or "down with cis;" movies that have "forced diversity" or "political correctness;" online forms of redressing institutional grievance like "cancel culture;" and people who say mean or insulting things about men or other traditional status quo structures like the patriarchy. Your content is very clearly aimed at a reactionary right-wing audience and their new traditional leftist allies, because nobody on the actual left supports or believes any of these things anymore. Everyone who did is on the right now, even if they don't fully self-identify that way yet. There are various things about the modern left that bother me too, but I consider them inconsequential and irrelevant compared to the global threat of right-wing authoritarianism, and therefore don't bother wasting my time discussing them or forming alliances with my enemies to destroy them.
Probably the flashpoint that most constantly flares tensions between these two groups, and the content around which people like yourself have made their living, is the idea that media has an effect on our political outlook and views. Right-wing reactionaries and traditional leftists believe that it doesn't. Modern intersectional leftism believes that it does. When a movie like TLJ or Captain Marvel features diversity, people such as yourself argue that this diversity is meaningless because true progressive art cannot exist under a capitalist system. This is true only in an economic sense, but modern leftist theory (and a growing body of research) holds that these diverse representations boost self-esteem and confidence among marginalized groups and contribute to more positive views of marginalized people among the majority. It is almost inarguable that diverse media representation does, in fact, play a key role in helping to degrade systemic power structures.
People like you view yourself as gatekeepers for what does and does not count as proper diversity and representation, and you get angry when it is suggested that, as a white man, your opinion is not relevant on this issue. As I said before, I sometimes take issue with various aspects of modern leftism too, but I don't bother discussing it because I don't consider it as important as the "real issues." I know who my enemy is, and it's not "pink-haired women screaming about killing men." If you consider something like this to be a serious threat to society, rather than a humorous nuisance, you are not a progressive leftist, you are a right-wing reactionary.
I see that you ended up getting banned while I was typing this and therefore you probably can't read it. Hopefully you took enough screenshots of these conversations to get yourself another Youtube video. When you make that video and post it, describing how you've been made a victim of leftist authoritarianism, consider what your audience is and why they're agreeing with you. They're not agreeing with you because they're leftists looking to reform the system from within. They're agreeing with you because they are extremely bigoted right-wing reactionaries, and they're trying to get you on their side. And if you aren't already, you will be soon, unless you take a step back and examine your audience and the things that you think are serious issues in the world today.
You seem to genuinely consider yourself a "liberal" (a liberal is a center-left person who supports capitalism and retaining existing power structures, which you don't appear to be; you'd probably be more accurately described as a leftist) so I want to address your confusion as to why people keep describing you as a right-wing reactionary. Modern progressivism is largely based around deconstructing multiple different power structures: not just capitalism, but also patriarchy, institutional racism, and other forms of deeply systemic bigotry against marginalized groups. This "intersectional" approach to solving problems is, more or less, the backbone of the modern progressive movement.
Traditional leftism, on the other hand, is largely concerned only with capitalism and not intersectionality. Traditional leftism believes that socialism and the destruction of capitalism will result in the eventual destruction of all other forms of systemic bigotry without needing to take any further action.
As a typical example, if we look at two women, one white and one black, who are both low-income, the two leftist groups would propose different solutions for how to solve the systemic problems they face. The traditional leftist would argue that simply erasing capitalism will solve the problem. The intersectional leftist will agree that we need to dismantle capitalism, but that women face special discrimination that is unrelated to income that also needs to be addressed, and that the black woman in particular suffers even more forms of unique discrimination in every facet of society, and that simply passing economic justice reforms will not solve these problems.
In recent years, as the glaring faultlines in capitalism have become more apparent, many ideas associated with traditional leftism have become more popular with those on the right, such as white people living in rural or post-industrial areas (often mocked with the "economic anxiety" phrasing) who went for Donald Trump in huge numbers in 2016. These individuals support various aspects of traditional leftism, such as living wages, universal basic income, universal healthcare, and maybe even the complete dismantling of capitalism itself, but they somehow ended up voting for Donald Trump. This is because they (falsely) viewed Trump as a disruptor who would somehow shake up the system, economically speaking. It was very clear to them that Trump had no intention of addressing systemic racism, sexism, or homophobia, but they didn't care. Economic justice was their only concern, and the capitalist Hillary Clinton was obviously not going to solve that problem, so Trump was the next best choice.
Candidates like Andrew Yang and (to some extent, mostly pre-2018) Bernie Sanders follow this traditional leftist mold very closely. They are very concerned with economic justice, but largely unconcerned with other forms of systemic discrimination beyond occasional platitudes about fair policing or fair housing. These issues are important, but they all play back into the economic argument, that socialism is a magic cure-all for bigotry. Capitalism is on its way out; this much is obvious. It is not sustainable and it will be dead in the future. Therefore, the future political division in this country isn't between "capitalists" and "lite capitalists" or even between "capitalists" and "socialists," but rather between these two different factions of leftists. The intersectional leftists have become the new left wing, and the traditional leftists have begun allying with their new right-wing allies in pursuit of shared economic goals.
You may describe yourself as a liberal, or a leftist. You can vote for Andrew Yang. You can use whatever terminology to self-identify that you want, but at the end of the day your political goals are very clearly much more closely-aligned with the right than the modern left. It's said that you can know a lot about a person's politics by the issues they consider important, and your content and online presence make it very clear what you consider important. Random, cherrypicked tweets or forum posts about killing white people or "down with cis;" movies that have "forced diversity" or "political correctness;" online forms of redressing institutional grievance like "cancel culture;" and people who say mean or insulting things about men or other traditional status quo structures like the patriarchy. Your content is very clearly aimed at a reactionary right-wing audience and their new traditional leftist allies, because nobody on the actual left supports or believes any of these things anymore. Everyone who did is on the right now, even if they don't fully self-identify that way yet. There are various things about the modern left that bother me too, but I consider them inconsequential and irrelevant compared to the global threat of right-wing authoritarianism, and therefore don't bother wasting my time discussing them or forming alliances with my enemies to destroy them.
Probably the flashpoint that most constantly flares tensions between these two groups, and the content around which people like yourself have made their living, is the idea that media has an effect on our political outlook and views. Right-wing reactionaries and traditional leftists believe that it doesn't. Modern intersectional leftism believes that it does. When a movie like TLJ or Captain Marvel features diversity, people such as yourself argue that this diversity is meaningless because true progressive art cannot exist under a capitalist system. This is true only in an economic sense, but modern leftist theory (and a growing body of research) holds that these diverse representations boost self-esteem and confidence among marginalized groups and contribute to more positive views of marginalized people among the majority. It is almost inarguable that diverse media representation does, in fact, play a key role in helping to degrade systemic power structures.
People like you view yourself as gatekeepers for what does and does not count as proper diversity and representation, and you get angry when it is suggested that, as a white man, your opinion is not relevant on this issue. As I said before, I sometimes take issue with various aspects of modern leftism too, but I don't bother discussing it because I don't consider it as important as the "real issues." I know who my enemy is, and it's not "pink-haired women screaming about killing men." If you consider something like this to be a serious threat to society, rather than a humorous nuisance, you are not a progressive leftist, you are a right-wing reactionary.
I see that you ended up getting banned while I was typing this and therefore you probably can't read it. Hopefully you took enough screenshots of these conversations to get yourself another Youtube video. When you make that video and post it, describing how you've been made a victim of leftist authoritarianism, consider what your audience is and why they're agreeing with you. They're not agreeing with you because they're leftists looking to reform the system from within. They're agreeing with you because they are extremely bigoted right-wing reactionaries, and they're trying to get you on their side. And if you aren't already, you will be soon, unless you take a step back and examine your audience and the things that you think are serious issues in the world today.
That's genuinely why it was so frustrating, he did not appear to be arguing in bad faith, he was just genuinely a person who thinks appealing to right wing reactionaries and contributing to the constant harassment that marginalized people face on a daily basis is an a-ok thing to do because....at least he doesn't support Trump? Like, fuck off with that noise. There's more people like that than right wing reactionaries and they don't help anyone BUT the alt-right.
Nothing will top him claiming calling Kelly Marie Tran a "dumb bitch" is basically just calling her a dumb lady.
And the fact he called her a dumb Asian lady is somehow bot racist, because he didn't say her race in a negative way lol.
He knows this. He knows what he's doing; they're already on the same side. This is what grifters do
Ah yes, there it is. People who dislike TLJ are alt-right. If you weren't banned, you'd be able to check my post history and see that I didn't even like TFA or TLJ the first time I saw them (you can actually look it up on GAF for TFA), for the receipts, but I won't go back there.
You'd also see that I've criticized the shit out of both movies (still got a long list of gripes for both movies). Wanna know the crazy part? I've never been accused of being an alt-right idiot.. because of the way I've criticized the movies. Instead of.. Dumb Asian lady. Dumb bitch. Bashing #MeToo. Substituting character names for insults and reducing them to their appearance, sex or race.
You know it's not a joke, and you know the crowd it attracts.
I always found the "IM A LIBERAL!" defense to be fucking stupid. You can be a liberal AND a trash bag. That's not a new concept lol. Being a liberal doesnt shield you from criticisms calling you a trash bag either.
My enemies, jesus christ
It's also obvious if you look at the channel that there is a systematic way the videos are made to attract crowds that actually agree with those talking points. It's not an accident.
The clown makeup is certainly appropriate. 🤷♂️
Quality post.
Exactly.
what about when they said they never called her a "dumb bitch" then had to quickly edit it because they forgot about the content they created
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He also said he was a Bernie guy and a liberal.
Never met a Bernie person who would not be insulted at being called a liberal.
oh my fucking god
I forgot about this
Doubt he's coming back. Probably sounded the alarm and told Vito about this thread in the first place.
We need to have a post of the year award and I'm voting for you. This is beyond his reading comprehension though I'm afraid.
Quality post.
The only enemy he has is that beard. Some guys just aren't meant to rock a beard. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh I have no doubt. He leaped into this thread to run point for Vito's videos and claim he never said anything sexist, racist, or alt right and if he did it was joke a joke. Then magically Vito registered out of the blue as a new member and began posting 🤔
well that was a hell of a ride
OP got far more than they bargained for with this one
OP got far more than they bargained for with this one
Plus, we were literally telling him to specifically stop doing things that directly appeal to right wing reactionaries. Not telling him to identify as one. Like he interpreted that conversation as well as he interpreted the last jedi. Which is to say, not very well.
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But he used Asian to separate her from all of the other women in the Rose/Finn collision scene
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Can we use this as a moment to come together as a community as fans of TLJ and people who don't like it to condemn and mock bigotry?
This should be a pretty easy ask.
Lol I almost posted this one
He absolutely was arguing in bad faith. He knows exactly who he's pandering to and why, and he came here with a purpose, that purpose being to own some libs and then play the martyr after his inevitable ban. It's hilarious that he got shut down by his own content, he was doing a surprisingly decent job of "hiding his power level" using Crowder-esque redirection and excusal of his actual beliefs but apparently forgot that he'd let them slip openly in public before. Womp womp.
hey man you better stop criticizing a good liberal like him or else he's going to join the nazis. good liberals like him who make homophobic joins have definitely nothing in common with the alt right until you force him to join with your meanness
also the liberals are the real snowflakes haha look at how he came to resetera and OWNED them
I have some serious real estate in that guys head. Alongside that "dumb bitch" Kelly Marie Tran.
Pretty good company to be in.
Pretty good company to be in.
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Oh it's obvious if you look at the first page who told him to come lol.
This thread should be saved for future reference when it comes to bad faith arguments about making somewhat valid points of criticism (to ensure the good old plausible deniability) but using the worst possible alt-right lingo & talking points to arrive at them.
Like I never thought I would see the "TLJ is a cinematic failure" guy appear in a puff of smoke and repeatedly insist he is a paragon of progressive values while shrinking into a corn cob
Based on the fact he has been butthurt about Era being progressive for well over a year I doubt it:
He came into this thread to correct the OP, that he didn't say "yellow bitch". He's right, it's actually much worse, because he called her a dumb Asian lady and dumb bitch.
When I called him out on this, he tried to say I was making shit up, despite me spoon feeding the literal quotes and timestamps from his shitstain of a video.
The sheer terror he expresses at being perceived as alt-right/non-progressive is how you know these dudes are not having fun being outcasts no matter how much they claim otherwise.