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Frozen 2 |OT| Avatar: The Last Icebender (Open Spoilers)
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This movie was incredible. Loved it a lot more than the first. I watched the first the other day and it's not that great. Not much happens in it. But 2 had a lot to it using the first as a springboard to a better plot and as an emotional base for the relationship between the sisters. Great tunes in this new one too. I'll admit it. It also looked amazing. It really did everything better than the first.
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Just got back. I liked it wayyyyy better than the first. Show Yourself, Lost in the Woods(fucking genius song holy crap lol) and The Next right Thing were the best songs and better than anything in the first movie. I also loved the fall look of the movie.
I loved it. Thought the songs were way better than the originals, plus Olaf was actually funny this time.
Don't know why Elsa didn't attend Anna's coronation. That seemed odd.
Also, where was Elsa riding at the end? Ahtohallan? ...why?
Also, where was Elsa riding at the end? Ahtohallan? ...why?
Can I ask why people think it was her coronation? I thought it was well after and just at a ceremony for the statue.
Did they take out that one scene in the trailer with their mom and dad?
Also, what's Rider's relationship to Honeymarn? Are they friends or siblings?
Frozen 3 gonna end with a wedding, count on it. Wonder what they can do for confict next?
Did they take out that one scene in the trailer with their mom and dad?
Also, what's Rider's relationship to Honeymarn? Are they friends or siblings?
Frozen 3 gonna end with a wedding, count on it. Wonder what they can do for confict next?
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They're siblings.
Also, I'm pretty sure Anna and Kristoff are married by the epilogue. So if there's a wedding in Frozen 3 it'll be Elsa and Honeymaren's <3
Cool to see all the positive impressions here. I'm a little bummed that I won't have the time to see it for a few weeks. Sounds like they didn't saddle Elsa with a boyfriend to shutdown the LGBTQ fans, so that's already better then I was fearing. Elsa has probably been one of my favorite Disney characters in years, so I'm glad it sounds like she continues to get good development.
How do they not have any toys of the lizard wtf all the kids loved that thing
Also I want From Software to make the tie in game for this, the movie had some Dark Souls moments
Also I want From Software to make the tie in game for this, the movie had some Dark Souls moments
Pretty darn solid stuff.
Disney sequels are almost always garbage, and this manages to not fall into that trap.
They had Idina Menzel hitting some fucking notes in this movie man... whew.
Disney sequels are almost always garbage, and this manages to not fall into that trap.
They had Idina Menzel hitting some fucking notes in this movie man... whew.
honestly lost in the woods and Elsa with her hair down is enough to make this a 10, to say nothing of the almost oppressive theme of dealing with the passage of time and loss
It is a salamander, thank you
It is a salamander, thank you
And he has a name too! He's not just "the lizard" or "salamander." It's Bruni!
who do I contact to change my username to Bruni Reiher
that salamander is a hero
Not a huge fan of Anna's queen outfit. Her adventurer outfit (especially without the cape from the climax) is my favorite outfit in any Disney movie ever, though.
I didn't think that was a straight up coronation? I guess it must have been since Kristoff and the rest were dressed up though. The last coronation didn't exactly go well, maybe they felt comfortable moving things along without one another.
I'm pretty sure Elsa was riding out to meet them for charades.
There's new toys out the 30th, apparently.
I didn't think that was a straight up coronation? I guess it must have been since Kristoff and the rest were dressed up though. The last coronation didn't exactly go well, maybe they felt comfortable moving things along without one another.
I'm pretty sure Elsa was riding out to meet them for charades.
There's new toys out the 30th, apparently.
I'm actually peeved they didn't go through with destroying the city. It felt like it neutered her sacrifice a little, though her willingness to do it at all somewhat justifies her abilities as a possible queen.
The important part is that she was willing to do the right thing. Her actions matter because of what she thought would happen. It isn't lessened because the city wasn't actually destroyed, just like how it isn't lessened because Elsa wasn't really dead.
This movie is really slow/simple/nonessential in a lot of ways, but I love it because it takes these characters I care about a lot and basically hones in on their actions and why they're taking them. Like for example the fact that the people living in the forest don't logically make sense when you think about it too much doesn't really bother me because it's more about how Elsa and Anna deal with the situation if that makes sense. The beginning is definitely the weaker half but it sets up character motivations really well I think.
It feels like a logical conclusion to the first movie, like a prolonged epilogue that addresses the stuff at the end of Frozen that doesn't really make sense for the characters.
Now, to be fair, I was really annoyed that Arendelle wasn't destroyed because the consequences for that would've been amazing to explore for a sequel, but I'll take what I can get. Speaking of which—
I don't think it neutered her sacrifice too badly because, as you said, she was willing to do it, which is pretty much the most important character decision of the film. She took responsibility for the problem. Elsa deciding on her own to save the kingdom is, yanno, whatever.
can we all respect the boldness to include an extended musical bit right before the third act of the film
I also really liked how show yourself didn't beat you over the head with what was happening and didn't even explicitly clarify it until the very end
I also really liked how show yourself didn't beat you over the head with what was happening and didn't even explicitly clarify it until the very end
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That underwater horse taming scene was incredible. Really incredible. Might be the best bit of purely visual storytelling Disney's done since... I don't even know. It beats the shit out of everything in Fantasia 2000.
So I just got out. Writing on cellphone so bear with me.
The overall adventure narrative was a lot of fun but, and I may be waaaay off base here, I feel like the creators felt the weight of the responsibility of making a movie they know is going to be watched 100 times by kids growing up. The songs were nowhere near as catchy as Frozen, but they packed a lot of profundity in there. Almost like "A children's guide to growing up". The reality that change is inevitable (Some Things Never Change), change is both necessary and sometimes its own adventure (Into the Unknown), relationship miscommunication (Anna and Kristoff, Lost in the Woods), the necessity of action in the darkest and most desperate of times (The Next Right Thing), the idea that the 'thing' you're searching for to magically fix your problems might actually be within you (Show Yourself). There's only one real villain in there (the Grandfather) and he acted out of fear of magic which, if we ever got a bad guy in the Frozenverse who had Elsa's power, would be well founded.
The premise felt intentionally constructed to reflect our times - nations and peoples divided by circumstance, geography and culture, one side using technology and strategy (the dam) to tactically offset the much more powerful (potentially) natural weapons of the other side (magic).
In the end the siblings (best friends) go their own separate ways to live their own lives, which is something younger kids will eventually deal with too.
I dunno. Maybe I'm overthinking it. But for a movie that could of coasted on a traditional antagonist and a few catchy tunes, it felt like they did the legwork to create something more significant. It'll probably all work against the success of the film in the long run.
Line that's going to be repeated in a lot of relationships: "I'm here. What do you need?"
Best Song: Into the Unknown.
80's Music Video Pastiche I couldn't believe they had the balls to go there with: Lost in the Woods.
Song that a lot of the younger kids who just are NOT going to grasp how much is going on above and below the surface of the narrative will identify with: "When I'm Older."
The overall adventure narrative was a lot of fun but, and I may be waaaay off base here, I feel like the creators felt the weight of the responsibility of making a movie they know is going to be watched 100 times by kids growing up. The songs were nowhere near as catchy as Frozen, but they packed a lot of profundity in there. Almost like "A children's guide to growing up". The reality that change is inevitable (Some Things Never Change), change is both necessary and sometimes its own adventure (Into the Unknown), relationship miscommunication (Anna and Kristoff, Lost in the Woods), the necessity of action in the darkest and most desperate of times (The Next Right Thing), the idea that the 'thing' you're searching for to magically fix your problems might actually be within you (Show Yourself). There's only one real villain in there (the Grandfather) and he acted out of fear of magic which, if we ever got a bad guy in the Frozenverse who had Elsa's power, would be well founded.
The premise felt intentionally constructed to reflect our times - nations and peoples divided by circumstance, geography and culture, one side using technology and strategy (the dam) to tactically offset the much more powerful (potentially) natural weapons of the other side (magic).
In the end the siblings (best friends) go their own separate ways to live their own lives, which is something younger kids will eventually deal with too.
I dunno. Maybe I'm overthinking it. But for a movie that could of coasted on a traditional antagonist and a few catchy tunes, it felt like they did the legwork to create something more significant. It'll probably all work against the success of the film in the long run.
Line that's going to be repeated in a lot of relationships: "I'm here. What do you need?"
Best Song: Into the Unknown.
80's Music Video Pastiche I couldn't believe they had the balls to go there with: Lost in the Woods.
Song that a lot of the younger kids who just are NOT going to grasp how much is going on above and below the surface of the narrative will identify with: "When I'm Older."
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Either I'm having a stroke or Honeymaren was barely in the film because after googling her, I do not remember this character. At all. Lmao.
Here I've been thinking the old woman was Honeymaren and wondering why tf people are shipping Elsa with a grandma.
Here I've been thinking the old woman was Honeymaren and wondering why tf people are shipping Elsa with a grandma.
She was barely in the film. I feel like her and her brother were introduced to be expanded upon in another Frozen sequel (which Disney is probably already planning).
Just realised the end and some of the themes around finding your place kind of reminded me of Ralph Breaks the Internet, surprised they took that route with Ralph knowing that this was coming!
Is this the first Disney sequel that didn't go straight to home video?
And yeah, it really feels like there will be a third film. The story doesn't feel complete in this one, they raised so many questions about their parents but answered only half of them.
I thought Olaf was the best part of this film. They didn't really know what to do without christoph and Sven though, it felt like their bits could have been cut into its own short film (all the proposal attempts and the song).
Considering how there were rumors almost a year and a half ago that Elsa was getting a girlfriend in Frozen 2 (and that her and Anna's mother would play a big role in the film, which obviously wound up making it into the film), I'm thinking that Honeymaren was originally going to have a larger role. Maybe they'll pull the trigger if we get a Frozen 3 in a few years' time?
Although, if that was indeed the case, it seems like the studio was making a lot of changes along the way on this film. I know there were reports from test screenings this summer that
Elsa was going to actually die at the end, along with Olaf and her other ice creations.
Just watched it a few hours ago, and I have to say that I quite enjoyed the film. I thought the film pacing was decent, though I can understand the sentiment that the ending could have been slightly better, so it doesn't appear as rushed. The songs were quite enjoyable, however, the surprise hit for me was definitely Lost in the Woods. Great song for Kristoff and I love the 80's style of the song. Definitely has a mix of Chicago's You're My Inspiration, Peter Cetera's The Glory of Love and Westlife's My Love. Definitely something that I feel that David Foster could produce.
When Elsa was traversing Ahtohallan, it reminded me of Ice Caves of the Frozen world in Kingdom Hearts 3. Other than that, I appreciated the world building and lore. Overall, really good movie .
When Elsa was traversing Ahtohallan, it reminded me of Ice Caves of the Frozen world in Kingdom Hearts 3. Other than that, I appreciated the world building and lore. Overall, really good movie .
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"Anna what do I do"
"Go talk to her!"
"You mean like...talk...with words...from my mouth"
"Yes! Say something like you enjoyed talking about the shawl with her and you'd like to know more about her"
"Yeah but that's very frightening maybe I should just stand here and stare from a distance"
"Elsa you traveled across a deadly ocean and fought a huge water spirit I think you can talk to a girl for five minutes"
"No I can't"
"..."
"I will literally die"
"Go talk to her!"
"You mean like...talk...with words...from my mouth"
"Yes! Say something like you enjoyed talking about the shawl with her and you'd like to know more about her"
"Yeah but that's very frightening maybe I should just stand here and stare from a distance"
"Elsa you traveled across a deadly ocean and fought a huge water spirit I think you can talk to a girl for five minutes"
"No I can't"
"..."
"I will literally die"
Huh,weird to hear all the complains about the weak plot, i wouldn't think this could be any worse than the first FROZEN (wich only outstanding things were the relationship between anna and elza and one song imo) i guess i will see for myself next week
This sounds pretty good! I was getting tired of their now predictable twists specially the villains
I really want to see Gay Disaster Elsa trying to flirt with Honeymaren.
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If Disney wasn't a bunch of cowards it would be a perfect premise for a short film on the Blu-ray.
At least we have the world of fan-fiction to somewhat fill in the void... But yeah, it's a shame Disney likely won't try to make a short film with that set-up. The comedy you could get from that scenario would be tremendous.
I loved it! I enjoyed it more than the first which I rewatched the day before. It was a beautiful movie and I feel the songs were stronger than the first. I was pleasantly surprised that I enjoyed it so much!
Anna making the decision to sacrifice Arendelle (her home) to make amends, even after the supposed death of Elsa and Olaf, was a great character choice. Imagine the impact if they'd gone through with it.
I thought the line Mattias says when he finds out the girl he had a crush on back in Arandelle is still single ("For some reason that doesn't make me happy" or words to that effect) was a wonderful way to define a character's core in a single line.
I thought the line Mattias says when he finds out the girl he had a crush on back in Arandelle is still single ("For some reason that doesn't make me happy" or words to that effect) was a wonderful way to define a character's core in a single line.
There's some other stuff like shirts and necklaces, fast fast toys, and more...but I mostly just saw eBay listings for those. The only thing I saw in person was the plush at the World of Disney store at Disney Springs after I watched the movie there on Friday.
