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From the way things are going, Xbox Game Pass is likely going to become the 'Netflix of gaming'
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Really wish Sony offered a subscription like GamePass for things like Ghost of Tsushima and TLOU2.
Knowing my current sub covers Gears Tactics, Halo Infinite, the next Forza and possibly the new Fable, it's just an amazing service and that's before all the third party stuff.
Sony should counter.
Knowing my current sub covers Gears Tactics, Halo Infinite, the next Forza and possibly the new Fable, it's just an amazing service and that's before all the third party stuff.
Sony should counter.
I think Microsoft are aggressively pursuing new subscribers at the moment at a loss to themselves but providing great value to customer. What I wonder is how the enthusiasm will be on places like era when Microsoft shift from "growing the subs" mode to "lets make some money".
I can also see that, for various reasons,too. But saying that none of the games are interesting is a little bit different to the post I was replying to.
Yeah, but the best argument for not using Game Pass at this point is a lack of time.
There are plenty of indie titles, third party games and first party games coming to the service each month. I just can't see how someone doesn't see anything to play on the service at all.
That rumor from spring this year about Microsoft approaching Nintendo to put Game Pass on the Switch via xcloud, their willingness to put the service with their first party titles on competitor's hardware, on PC and pushing xcloud to mobile is going to ensure this happens. I think it's a very bold move that can really pay off, Xbox ends up looking like just another option to reach their service. If Netflix is any indication, it's a bigger market than one would think, and the value to gamers is very clear. We will see if Nintendo or Sony bite on adding the service, but if they get a cut of the revenue via access on their platforms, I think both would be tempted, especially Nintendo, since their version of this program is legacy software to expand the value of their very cheap online service.
I think Microsoft is really the only ones who can pull this service off right now, Amazon doesn't have the exclusive content, Google is showing how ill-prepared they were for their own launch of the service, and Sony is using Microsoft's servers, so the idea that they can compete in pricing is hard to see, not to mention Sony doesn't want to put their first party output on the service in a timely manner. Nintendo has absolutely no aspirations to build their own streaming network and will likely just use Microsoft's (Though I should note that Reggie's recent comments about streaming being the future of gaming is interesting, as he might have formed that opinion over the last 2 years as Nintendo's President of America).
I think Microsoft is really the only ones who can pull this service off right now, Amazon doesn't have the exclusive content, Google is showing how ill-prepared they were for their own launch of the service, and Sony is using Microsoft's servers, so the idea that they can compete in pricing is hard to see, not to mention Sony doesn't want to put their first party output on the service in a timely manner. Nintendo has absolutely no aspirations to build their own streaming network and will likely just use Microsoft's (Though I should note that Reggie's recent comments about streaming being the future of gaming is interesting, as he might have formed that opinion over the last 2 years as Nintendo's President of America).
If VGC is to be believed, who claim that they're at 9.5 million, then anyone else offering this kind of service has some significant catching up to do, it's a great service. The thing that I would say that Gamepass is weaker on is hookups with smaller Japanese developers, would love to see a Falcom game over on Gamepass, but we already know the story with Xbox in Japan. This is where Sony could have an edge, just gotta wait and see how it all shakes out when both of them come out with their full next-gen proposition.
Xbox Game Pass you download games. Netflix you stream tv shows and movies, not the same thing although I agree the sub based business mode is the same.
Do we have sub numbers ? Hard to make such a call when we don't have any data about it's performance.
If MS keeps the service as it is right now when they are in top as well it could become something bigger....as of now it's crazy good because they need the positive word of mouth going into next-gen. Without GamePass a large part of the audience wouldn't even consider a Xbox because they invested to heavy into PS4 this gen.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out - but we are still very early in the game.
If MS keeps the service as it is right now when they are in top as well it could become something bigger....as of now it's crazy good because they need the positive word of mouth going into next-gen. Without GamePass a large part of the audience wouldn't even consider a Xbox because they invested to heavy into PS4 this gen.
Will be interesting to see how this plays out - but we are still very early in the game.
The problem is, it will take the biggest games such as GTA, COD and FiFA day one to become the netflix of gaming.
Yes we get MS games day one but they only appeal to a small base these days.
Yes we get MS games day one but they only appeal to a small base these days.
Don't think we've had that moment yet. Forza Horizon 4, Sea of Thieves, The Outer Worlds and Gears 5 were big games. But I believe it will be next gen that will truly bring a 'House of Cards' to Game Pass.
It's Halo Infinite.
Game Pass is like the Netflix of games in the sense that there are very few films on Netflix I'd pay to go see in a theater.
Mainly that you'll start to see competing services pop up. EA Prime game pass, Ubisoft+ game pass, BattleNetComplete game pass. Game Pass won't become the all encompassing umbrella. Netflix was and it no longer is. More than likely, you'll need to be subscribed to a multitude of services to get access to the games you want to play. Game Pass will be one of them and it would more than likely be focused on indies and MS supported titles.
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The only way to do that is if Microsoft buys EA, which is certainly doable.
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Game Pass is a really compelling offer... if you don't already have another console. In my case, I've spent this generation with a PS4 and Switch, so I've already played most of the multiplatform games I wanted to. I signed up for Game Pass on PC (streaming, actually, but that's besides the point) to try the Microsoft exclusives I'd missed this generation, and found that Forza Horizon 4 was the only good one.
From that point of view, Game Pass was just a marginally cheaper way to play a single game.
From that point of view, Game Pass was just a marginally cheaper way to play a single game.
I'm almost fully convinced that existing solely on Game Pass and a Series X is my primary games consumption approach when next-gen starts. Unless Sony's PS Now service starts doing day 1 availability of first-party games, I just don't think it competes well — I know they've opened up to downloading full games rather than being streaming-only, but alas. The other thing I like about Xbox is that I feel like it adequately covers the vast majority of key titles in all of the Xbox brand's history, and they all play natively off the console itself... So it feels like any actual purchase I make is pretty much future-proofed, and it's a platform I committed to going all-digital eons ago, so it tends to feel like the console equivalent of Steam all-around, on top of having a very, very robust and well-catered subscription service.
I agree with OP. I think if consumers pay attention and maybe don't have an absolutist approach to exclusives as their primary motivator for having a console, it should look like extremely good value. Now, I still intend to own a PlayStation and whatever Nintendo's next-gen offering looks like because I do very much value those exclusives, but I think having an Xbox paired with a Game Pass subscription can cover about 80% of my personal gaming desires, especially if I'm willing to be patient and wait for third party AAA games to appear on the service at a later time.
I agree with OP. I think if consumers pay attention and maybe don't have an absolutist approach to exclusives as their primary motivator for having a console, it should look like extremely good value. Now, I still intend to own a PlayStation and whatever Nintendo's next-gen offering looks like because I do very much value those exclusives, but I think having an Xbox paired with a Game Pass subscription can cover about 80% of my personal gaming desires, especially if I'm willing to be patient and wait for third party AAA games to appear on the service at a later time.
GamePass will be bigger than Gold 100%. Gold isn't on PC...and streaming coming to parts of the world where its too expensive to get a PC or console and will rely on GamePass for gaming... That number will dwarf gold. So yes, it will be bigger because it's not confined to a box.
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If Sony doesn't put their games on the service permanently and shortly after release , then they kill any incentive to continue to subscribe to the service. Like I say, Sony absolutely has not put in a good use case or vision for PS Now. If they don't have a vision for PS Now why continue with the service in the first place? Yes Sony has said that they want to focus more on PS Now, but yet we have not seen much.
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Don't worry, eventually Sony will put their first party there. :)
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Yet Netflix continues to gain millions of users every quarter. If you think 'The Crown' is terrible, I don't know where you're from. The games on Game Pass are certainly not terrible, yet Game Pass is making losses, this is because MS is spending millions and likely billions to get quality content on the service. It's pretty much agreed on the internet that PS Now's content is terrible and like I say it stems from Sony's lack of ambition is making more heavy losses to invest in gaining more quality third parties to the service.
You're saying because not one of the 400 games appeals to your tastes, it doesn't have games?
Same. There are games I'd never buy, but tried on gamepass on a whim and had a lot of fun with. Slay the Spire and Operencia are both fantastic, for example.
This is what I was gonna ask.
Gamepass offering is extremely varied and interesting. Hell new games are being released available right off the bat there, such as Gears 5 or The Outer Worlds.
Streaming is still a long way away. There aren't many places in the world where hardware is expensive but the internet speed is big enough to handle streaming. It's why Google Stadia is lacking a customer base and it'll be a problem for Xcloud as well.
On PC it's possible, but Microsoft absolutely has to get rid of their ridiculous UWP Windows App idea and just deliver games like all other launchers are doing. Hopefully that's what they are working on during this "beta". Microsoft Store has always been the worst store on PC due to UWP and Game Pass does not change that. Currently more players seem to be buying Halo MCC and AoE2 DE on Steam instead of using GP.
For someone with limited time to spend on games, Game Pass is not at all backlog friendly. There are several third party games leaving the service each month.
I prefer the PS Plus/Xbox Live Gold model that lets you add available games to your library each month and lets you play them whenever you want (provided you're subscribed, of course).
I prefer the PS Plus/Xbox Live Gold model that lets you add available games to your library each month and lets you play them whenever you want (provided you're subscribed, of course).
Won't be surprised if most people still stick with the service when it goes full price.
Things can always change. The 360 did quite okay in Europe. And PC gaming is bigger in Europe, so they also have a chance there.
Plus their streaming service is launching in Korea, India and Japan for example. No need for a box.
This has nothing to do with my post.
Also now they don't have a vision for it? What? They've been pretty clear they see it (and game streaming in general for now) as a support/secondary service, not the main thing, they are treating it as such.
Also how shortly after release should 1st party be added? Because if it's a set time every time, might as well just be day 1. And why do they even need to be shortly? Now would still be the only service with their games on, day/month 1 would just significantly damage the overall platform, which isn't what they'll do for a support service. I agree they should be permanent once added though, 3rd parties being for a set period is understandable, 1st party is not.
I pity you. I've always thought the future is an exciting time filled with possibilities. Streaming, photorealism, 5G, etc. the future of gaming is extremely exciting to me.
Streaming is much closer than you think. Stadia is lacking a customer base not because of their technology, more of their business practice. The technology works fine. We don't know who's using MCC or AOE2 on Steam vs. XGP. PC Gamers have been using XGP so.... #shrug.
Also, I would like to note that you said "NEVER"...so even if streaming is a long way away, and PC isn't the best now...that will all change (and has been on the PC side)...Gold aka the mp paywall still gonna go away as this model keeps gaining users anyways.
People love streaming services because it is easily accessed and they try a whole heap of new stuff, yet they still claim the want 1 game off of the whole of gamepass. Try...something...new?
Netflix doesn't have ALL the biggest shows and movies. They certainty survived just fine without having Game of Thrones.
source? Because this is flat out wrong.
The outer worlds. It's got mass appeal but is also very specific in its vision.
...or the Dark Souls of Netflixes.
Developers so far have been happy about Game Pass, tho.
It's cool to read half a sentence and build your argument on top of that, really good conversation.
Let me copy and paste the sentence I wrote again, let see if you can glimpse what you missed:
"Also, I'm completely sure that Netflix losing billions of dollars in mostly terrible content just to find a good series/movie is not a good strategy."
AKA Netflix is losing millions and millions and creating thousands of original series and TV shows just to see what small percentage of that sticks AKA quantity above quality.
You talked about "The Crown", I can tell you "Stranger Things", "House of Cards", etc as other examples of big successes and fucking awesome series, but let me guess, you are not going to bring any shows of this list, for example, right? Or, I don't know, any of these movies below the top 20. And that's because neither you, or anyone, has even heard of them and much less they were a success, because Netflix expends an absurd amount of money in content that is honestly bad and no one will watch, just searching for that new viral thing. That's the only reason Netflix is losing money, not some weird plan to attract more users, it's because they finance a shitton of things, and they gain profit from VERY FEW of them.
And that's just Netflix. HBO had 6 billion$ of profit expending 2 billion in content. They want to expand creating more content, like Netflix, the difference is that they have a margin to do so. if you want to expand, you must expend money, that's not a dark secret or anything, but that does not equal LOSE money.
Also this, cmon:
lol sorry, I guess I didn't get the memo from Mr. WorldWideWeb about that, I didn't sign the agreement I guess. I won't say PS Now has better content than Gamepass, because that would be a lie, but calling it terrible it's absurd. Mainly because most games in one service is also in the other.
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