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I honestly thought this was going to be about the Florida pastor that was jailed.
But this is in France and way before lockdown.
Gotta feel bad for the guy. He wasn't being defiant or brazen like you have seen in some cases in the US.
But this is in France and way before lockdown.
Gotta feel bad for the guy. He wasn't being defiant or brazen like you have seen in some cases in the US.
See edit- I was ignorant of the timeframe, so I retract that post, but hypothetically, if it were indeed the case that people were already told there is an outbreak/pandemic/lockdown and he'd still gathered so many people for a service, I think he's responsible for abusing his position of religious authority (and through that position, the intimate connection people have to religion) and causing an immense public health hazard.
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Well if you're dumb enough to listen to a paster over the scientific community then... wait probably shouldn't go there.
But that's not what happened and you still rushed in here to claim 17 counts of murder. Maybe don't do that?
Not to mention that yes, it was basically ground zero for the epidemic in France and blindsided everyone, so to act like he should have magically known better than what his own government officials were saying is just... yeah.
I edited the title to add that this was in France, but I'm about to give up on this thread. People can't even read the thread title
See above. There was no such lockdown/pandemic at the time. The WOH declared it a pandemic 3 weeks after this gathering. Not to mention the timeframe is in the thread title (edited in way before your post).
How are we still getting posts like these after I edited the title three times?
When this event happened there were basically zero restriction in place in France regarding Covid-19. There were still huge sports events and gatherings with hundreds/thousands of people.
Like so many countries after us, our government reacted way too late.
Would that be better? Yes. Do I have the kind of energy in my life to always stay on the upkeep about every thread I post in within a forum I visit to avoid confronting the real problems I habitually avoid in life? No.
I'll clarify that the latter half of that post is a hypothetical.
According to the Era guide, Posters are expected to enter discussions in good faith. They aren't doing that. Warnings would be in place if people can't even be bothered to read that far. or at least a nice red warning in the OP to show that people should read.
It's in the article you're commenting about! Like why comment on something solely based on the thread name? Lordy people, at least *try*.
Well, the OP still frames the situation differently, in my defense; and I don't hold religious officials in high enough esteem to assume they wouldn't try to hold services even after it became clear that that would be unwise.
Well thank goodness we're not being denied his wisdom and religious advice. I mean if God didn't want him to continue preaching, obviously he'd have made a sign of some kind.
"Get away with"
People either really fucking hate reading or really fucking hate reassessing their uninformed gut reaction.
This is an extremely important detail of this. This is a vastly different situation than the Florida pastor or the one in Erie That are flaunting the law now that we know what we know. This was before anything really shook down.
I actually feel terrible for him, he must be overcome with guilt. I'm sure that won't be a popular opinion here but I would have a very different stance on this if he did this a week ago rather than before we knew anything about the extent of the severity of what was happening, and before shut downs were in place.
How about you explain what should be done to him. Walk me through the process.
Criminally charge him with negligence? His defense will say, "Your honour, the defendant did nothing illegal, and followed government guidelines and declarations at the time". Then a judge will say "This is correct" and acquit him instantly.
Sue him? Who will be the plaintiff? The attendees who willingly attended? It'd be thrown out instantly. The state? The defense will just say "Macron was doing the same thing at the time, there was no lockdown in place", again, thrown out.
So you don't have enough energy to read a thread title, but you have enough to make a vapid drive-by on it? Come on.
I don't think it's an "either/or" situation, but rather an "and" lol
I made that post before the thread title was changed...
Edit: But I realize it's kind of self contradictory to explain why I didn't have the energy to make more than a driveby post over a series of like 5 more posts so I'll give it up here. Was it a driveby? Yes. Did it happen because I wasn't diligent/didn't care enough? Yes. I amended my original post, as a result.
Then maybe the system is flawed if it failed to bring justice to this. It's not just his attendees, who knows how many other people they infected because of his actions.
I think peeps need to read the threadmark and understand the timing here.There was nothing cancelled at this point. By this logic all football match officials have blood on their hands to give but one of hundreds of examples.
Not according to the timestamps in the logs, lol. But anyway, let's drop this and move on.
Agreed. To be fair this was way before people were being discouraged from social gatherings. What has happened to this parish is bad luck and bad timing. It is easy to think they were wrong with the benefit of hindsight.
Let's ask then the different question: what should have been his driver to cancel this thing? There wasn't even a governmental hint that it was not OK to have an event like this. 2500 people is the amount of people gathering in movie theaters in a single day, a fraction of the amount of people in a soccer stadium, ... 10 days after this event, France cancelled all public events; larger than 5000 people. Even the first set of guidelines that was introduced as a reaction after this, would have allowed an event of this size...
That particular gathering was ground zero for the French epidemic, and numbers would be very different without it, but you can't blame the guy more than you can blame the organizers of that Atalanta - Valencia soccer match that fucked both Italy and Spain.
Let's not pretend that in mid-February people were taking this as a huge threat that would lead to half the world living under lockdown six weeks later.
Let's not pretend that in mid-February people were taking this as a huge threat that would lead to half the world living under lockdown six weeks later.
His actions of doing literally nothing wrong or out of the ordinary according to anyone in authoritt at the time?
By the timeframe it happened there was no lockdown and the pandemic had yet to happen in France.
Following this logic, the governement is responsible for all the deaths and such.
Here's some datas:
By the time that event started, there were 11 cases and the first death happened 2 days after the begining of the gathering. By the time it ended, 13 cases and 1 death.
Following this logic, the governement is responsible for all the deaths and such.
Here's some datas:
By the time that event started, there were 11 cases and the first death happened 2 days after the begining of the gathering. By the time it ended, 13 cases and 1 death.
Are you a proponent of ex post facto criminalization? Cause that's exactly what you're proposing here.
God just called his children to him. or something
didnt trump say that he will have churches packed in easter?
yeah i remember that.
I hope this serves as a warning for other nations against public gatherings despite them being of religious nature.
Is "Smurfs" being used as a colloquialism for something else?
Is "Smurfs" being used as a colloquialism for something else?
Reckless and Unrepentant Smurfs Continue Their Defiance
A French mayor defended the recent mass gathering of Smurfs.
www.thecut.com
no literally there was a fucking smurf gathering
Do we know when in February this happened? 2/24? There is no excuse.
Organized religion is a fucking scourge.
Not really.
Organized religion is a fucking scourge.
Not really.
Reckless and Unrepentant Smurfs Continue Their Defiance
A French mayor defended the recent mass gathering of Smurfs.
no literally there was a fucking smurf gathering
Wow!
"Unrepentant Smurfs...Defiance"... never thought I'd live to see the day when all those words would form a single sentence. What a timeline.
It's more like don't rush in to yell murder on a subject if you don't have any information on it. It's OK to not say anything on a subject. That's all I'm trying to get across to you.
Thanks asshole. This is my hometown and my whole family has to deal with the hardest restrictions in the country with even a curfew between 21 and 6. Thanks a lot.
? Nothing was locked down in France at the time. There were 11 cases, no deaths, and they thought they had tracked all the cases. Sporting events and other large gatherings were still taking place. The logic just doesn't follow. Would you also say organized sports are a scourge as well?
Again, nothing was locked down in France at the time. Would you also propose that and that sports team owners should step down? It doesn't make sense.
It's both of these plus an abject refusal to read beyond a thread title. This thread is embarrassing, Morrigan even came in to correct things THREE TIMES and people are still rushing in to show their asses.
Not really true, but I understand what you are saying. The first case of COVID-9 in France was on 24 January, almost a month before this sermon. Was that not widely published at the time?
I'm happy not everyone waited until the government orders to actually go in self isolation and stop doing (now) dangerous activities.