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Syriel

Banned
Dec 13, 2017
11,088
Being a freelancer in California is going to get a whole lot tougher, because outlets don't want to risk getting forced into making you an employee just for buying and publishing your work.

John Conroy's first glimmer of California's new approach to freelance journalists came last fall, when an editor at a travel publication that provided a large share of his income abruptly informed him that its parent company would cease using California-based freelancers.

Freelance writers and photographers in California are in a panic that Conroy's case is the canary in the coal mine that signals a sharp contraction in their opportunities for work.

AB 5 specifically exempts about a dozen work categories from its provisions, such as doctors, accountants, fishermen, stockbrokers and travel agents. But not journalists. Writers and photographers who submit more than 35 published works per year to a publisher must be treated as an employee of that publisher.

"If I'm a publisher from out of state," says David Swanson, a San Diego writer who is the outgoing president of the Society of American Travel Writers, "and I have a choice of hiring a writer from California to do a job, or somebody from Colorado or Texas or Canada or India — and I'd have no chance of being sued — who do you think I'm going to hire? AB 5 simply makes it unattractive to hire writers from California."

Concerns about the impact of AB 5, which goes into effect on Jan. 1, have been percolating for months. But anxiety seemed to surge over the weekend, after an article in the Hollywood Reporter painted an especially dire picture of its consequences.

But defining a freelancer's work routine isn't easy. Some contribute occasional pieces to myriad publishers, some are regular content providers to only a handful of sources. Some contribute short squibs as often as several times a day; others, deeply reported investigations or features a few times a year. Among travel writers, Swanson told me, "no two of us have the same business model, so creating a carve-out that covers all of us is a fool's errand."

That difficulty became evident during the drafting of AB 5, when Gonzalez met several times with a coalition of freelancer groups. She was willing to offer a partial exemption to writers and photographers, but the question was where to set the line. Gonzalez initially suggested exempting those who contributed 25 or fewer submissions per year to any given publisher, on the grounds that twice-a-month work seemed reasonably to fall below the level of a full- or part-time employee.

How much blacklisting of California freelancers is happening or may develop in the future remains unclear. The most commonly cited example is that of Northstar Travel Media, the New Jersey-based publisher of travel trade journals that issued the blanket ban experienced by Conroy. (His publisher converted him to part-time staff status, but that still means a cutback in his earnings.) Northstar didn't respond to requests for comment. Other freelancers have noticed online want ads instructing Californians not to apply, but none appears to have been placed by journalism enterprises.

Gonzalez says she's open to revising AB 5 to address freelancers' concerns. "I'm willing to talk about raising the number of submissions, sure," she told me. "That's the easiest discussion to have." But any change wouldn't take effect before Jan. 1, 2021.

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Deleted member 6056

Oct 25, 2017
7,240
Shit that's awful. A writer pretty well works everywhere all at once. Living in ca literally killing your clientele is gonna ruin some folk.
 
Oct 27, 2017
42,700
This sounds like propaganda to maintain the status quo in order to allow companies to pay "employees" less.
Yeah, I don't think propaganda means what you think it means. It's just that between this thread and the one about taxi drivers also taking issue with this same law

It seems, much like FOTSA, they might have failed to fully account for the nuances in freelance/contract work and some groups are unintentionally being harmed by it
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,214
Blame the companies for not wanting to pay people not the government for trying to force them to pay people. All these articles seem to have an agenda behind them to push this narrative that it's a problem with the law and not the issue the the law is actually trying to solve.

It's the exact same shit that minimum wage raises always get. Oh if you pay more then you have to hire less! Fuck that shit.
 

saenima

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,892
Blame the companies for not wanting to pay people not the government for trying to force them to pay people. All these articles seem to have an agenda behind them to push this narrative that it's a problem with the law and not the issue the the law is actually trying to solve.

It's the exact same shit that minimum release raises always get. Oh if you pay more then you have to hire less! Fuck that shit.

Exactly this.
 

CrazyDude

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,733
Blame the companies for not wanting to pay people not the government for trying to force them to pay people. All these articles seem to have an agenda behind them to push this narrative that it's a problem with the law and not the issue the the law is actually trying to solve.

It's the exact same shit that minimum wage raises always get. Oh if you pay more then you have to hire less! Fuck that shit.
It's the reality of our economic system which is about to change anytime soon.
 
Oct 25, 2017
3,789
Workforces are global, there's no reason why where you live entitles you to more. This is why these problems cannot be solved via capitalism. Health benefits cannot be tied to employment.
 

Septimus Prime

EA
Verified
Oct 25, 2017
8,500
Here's the bill's sponsor.

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Foffy

Member
Oct 25, 2017
16,380
Workforces are global, there's no reason why where you live entitles you to more. This is why these problems cannot be solved via capitalism. Health benefits cannot be tied to employment.

Wellbeing shouldn't be tied to employment, but America would rather collapse than get ahead of that tsunami.

Minimum wages and protecting gig workers does absolutely nothing to a precariat crisis when the fundamental axiom of "work or starve" isn't changed. It will always be gamed, be it with human capital itself or the elimination of it.
 
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Syriel

Syriel

Banned
Dec 13, 2017
11,088
This sounds like propaganda to maintain the status quo in order to allow companies to pay "employees" less.
Blame the companies for not wanting to pay people not the government for trying to force them to pay people. All these articles seem to have an agenda behind them to push this narrative that it's a problem with the law and not the issue the the law is actually trying to solve.

It's the exact same shit that minimum wage raises always get. Oh if you pay more then you have to hire less! Fuck that shit.

As a freelancer you set your own rates. You also have the ability to deduct expenses that you cannot as an employee.

A freelance living is not simple, but it can be profitable.
 

saenima

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,892
As a freelancer you set your own rates. You also have the ability to deduct expenses that you cannot as an employee.

A freelance living is not simple, but it can be profitable.

Freelance work also means a lot of non paid work, insecurity and instability. It also depends greatly on one's personal characteristics. Not everyone wants that hassle in their lives. I would argue that most people, given the choice would rather not be forced into freelance work but would prefer to have a less stressful and more stable way to make a living.