I knew people who were murdered by the terrorist group this guy openly supports. I wish him pain, that's all. Nothing is wrong with me, I don't usually hate people.We don't advocate rape over here. What the hell is wrong with you?
I knew people who were murdered by the terrorist group this guy openly supports. I wish him pain, that's all. Nothing is wrong with me, I don't usually hate people.We don't advocate rape over here. What the hell is wrong with you?
Ok, don't advocate someone's rape. It's pretty simple, my guy. As cathartic as you THINK it is, you should keep it to yourself. No beef.I knew people who were murdered by the terrorist group this guy openly supports. I wish him pain, that's all.
Where are you from?Ok, don't advocate someone's rape. It's pretty simple, my guy. As cathartic as you THINK it is, you should keep it to yourself. No beef.
Harlem… no, I'm not from Spain. I don't know why that's important. I don't fuck with Trump. He's likely and actual rapist. Im not out here advocating someone rape him in prison. It'a called maturity.
Okay. That's fair.Harlem… no, I'm not from Spain. I don't know why that's important. I don't fuck with Trump. He's likely and actual rapist. Im not out here advocating someone rape him in prison. It'a called maturity.
Maybe you haven't thought about it, but what you call "lucky strike" means I probably haven't done anything deserving a ban.Mostly, how you've gone this long without being banned, but I have a feeling your lucky streak is coming to an end.
Maybe you haven't thought about it, but what you call "lucky strike" means I probably haven't done anything deserving a ban.
I'm Spanish and I agree 100% percent with you. The real problem in my view is that now we can jail people for an artistic expression here in Spain. Check similar cases like the one with 'La Insurgencia', or the raper Valtonyc (who is exiled in Belgium).Hmm, this is a difficult one. Rappers can rap about shooting down other rappers, but not politicians? I am against the jail sentence....I can agree in many cases with deplatforming straight up Nazis, but don't agree that people can't express controversial views...I mean itis one thing to rapabout shooting a politician, quite another to carry out the actual act. But obviously people on platforms can encourage others to do so. Not familiar with his lyrics to discern whether that is the case.
Also, right with him on the monarchy. Get rid of them all. I mean Prince Andrew over here is very likely a paedophile and yet nada. There is a heck of a lot of corruption in the Spanish legal system as well, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is mostly or all because he insulted the monarchy, and the idea of the unified Spanish state by praising groups that threaten that. In this case, I don't think the interests of powerful state actors and myself as a citizen allign.
anyway, I am against this. Musicians have a role in stirring the pot. Also, the current Spanish government is against this as far as I can see, which is all to the good from my perspective.
I'm not quoting "something else". I'm quoting an expert stating that Spain has less freedom of speech today than in the 80's. And that we're the number one country in the world with imprisoned artists. That is not "something else", that is a fact.a) Can you make literally any point without quoting something else?
b) If you really think his quotes above are the same as Tip & Coll making Carrero Blanco jokes, I think there's no common ground for this conversation to continue anyway.
Mostly, how you've gone this long without being banned; but I feel your lucky streak is coming to a screeching end. :/
Okay I'll do it.Would definitely not hurt editing your post, if you acknowledge wishing rape on people is something we don't do out of respect for rape victims.
I'm not quoting "something else". I'm quoting an expert stating that Spain has less freedom of speech today than in the 80's. And that we're the number one country in the world with imprisoned artists. That is not "something else", that is a fact.
You seem to be missing a lot of the things that I wrote and cherry picking whatever fits your point. Again:My mistake, I meant "someone else", not "something else". So, yes, unless you are that expert, you are, in fact, "quoting someone else". That's not conductive to any kind of discussion, other than looking for the biggest cherrypicked appeal to authority for your side. This is a message board, not a law court.
You said there's a difference between lyrics and threats, and I quoted actual threats from Hasél. Instead of addressing that, you then replied with a tweet of Joaquim Bosch saying there's less freedom now than back then and comparing Hasél's lyrics to Tip & Coll cracking jokes about Carrero Blanco. That's a complete non-sequitur to the discussion we were having; what does it have to do with whether Hasél's lyrics are threats? So I ask you again (you, not some "expert"); is that your point of view? Do you think Hasél's lyrics are the same to Tip & Coll's jokes and both should be treated equally?
You seem to be missing a lot of things that I wrote and cherry picking whatever fits your point. Again:
La directiva de la UE clave establece que el enaltecimiento debe llevar aparejada una conducta que implique un "riesgo" de comisión de actos terroristas
Also, jokes against Carrero Blanco are ALSO considered glorifying terrorism. And nothing happened in the 80's... but it did just a few years ago:
El fiscal pide cárcel para una tuitera por sus chistes de Carrero Blanco
El fiscal pide cárcel para una tuitera por sus chistes de Carrero Blanco
Cassandra ha denunciado en su red social que el fiscal pide para ella "2 años y 6 meses de cárcel, más 3 años de libertad vigilada" por "humillación a las víctimas del terrorismo".www.elespanol.com
And lets not forget that we live in a country were a famous actor in Spain had to stand before trial for cursing against god. That IS NOT normal. There's something very wrong with this country.
Oh, it's coming. FYI, I didn't report you, hoping you'd learn. I won't, but it seems you haven't…Maybe you haven't thought about it, but what you call "lucky strike" means I probably haven't done anything deserving a ban.
This is why I hate the "free speech" defense, because most of the time the "free speech" defense ends up covering the real problem.
Truly depends on "where" it happens. And speaking as a US citizen, we've had 1st amendment challenges in my lifetime that would threaten our liberties. Already said, but RIP Larry Flynt.
Edit: and I do concur, most free speech challenges in the US today are crap.
Oh but I did, in one of my first posts: " There's a huge difference between song lyrics that don't pose a real terrorist threat, and an actual terrorist threat", which is what some experts in the European Union are saying.I'm not contesting any of the above points. They are valid. I agree with them. Spain's freedom of speech is quite fucked up, legally speaking; I've adressed that in this very thread.
But none of this is what I asked you, directly, thrice now. I didn't ask you for someone else's opinion. I didn't ask you what the legal system considers. I'm asking what you think about his lyrics.
If you still won't answer that simple question without quoting someone else, I'll have to assume you aren't interested in any actual discussion, and simply peace out.
IMO, this points to a single fundamental misunderstanding of what free speech actually entails.
Oh but I did, in one of my first posts: " There's a huge difference between song lyrics that don't pose a real terrorist threat, and an actual terrorist threat",
So if someone decided to advocate via a song for Isis terrorists attacks saying the people in Las Ramblas deserve to be run over that should be freedom of expression? (unless that person is preparing to commit the attack themselves). I am asking this because Pablo Hasél hasn't been sentenced for the specific crime of Terrorist Threats as far I can tell. Related to this I am not sure if the death threats that he has been accused were in lyrics, Hasél says the same things in interviews/twitter as in his lyrics so the artistic expression shouldn't be a defence in this case.Oh but I did, in one of my first posts: " There's a huge difference between song lyrics that don't pose a real terrorist threat, and an actual terrorist threat", which is what some experts in the European Union are saying.
And to be clear: I don't like Hasél and I don't like his lyrics, he's an idiot and a attention seeker, but I don't think he should be imprisoned.
Exactly, they don't pose a real credible threat to anyone. According to Amnesty International: "It's a vague law that departs from the doctrine of the European Court of Human Rights regarding freedom of expression". Even The New York Times calls these laws in Spain a threat to democracy.So are you saying his lyrics, including the ones I quoted, are not an actual threat?
You just can't help yourself, can you. :D
So if someone decided to advocate via a song for Isis terrorists attacks saying the people in Las Ramblas deserve to be run over that should be freedom of expression? (unless that person is preparing to commit the attack themselves).
So what you're saying is that they are, in fact, threats; just not "real or credible" ones. Am I reading that correctly?
I'm trying as far as I can to explain it with my words. Here's a clearer explanation: "La directiva de la UE clave establece que el enaltecimiento debe llevar aparejada una conducta que implique un "riesgo" de comisión de actos terroristas".
For english Era: "The European Union directive states that terrorist glorification must also include a conduct that involves a 'risk' of committing terrorist acts."