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Francis Ford Coppola backs Scorsese in row over Marvel films
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I would pay a shaman good money to get in contact with Kubrick just to hear his opinion lmao
Of course he knew. It wasn't a secret when he gave Salva the chance.
Lol oh boy more fuel for the many weirdos who show up to whine about Marvel movies, and absolutely think they're so much smarter and deeper because they don't watch those things.
The Mastermind behind Goodfellas giving them validation is absolutely brain porn for these pretentious pseudointellecuals
Coppola isn't wrong that the MCU aren't low concept films, they're absolutely more designed for a high concept mass appeal, but he's absolutely wrong that they are despicable.
The Mastermind behind Goodfellas giving them validation is absolutely brain porn for these pretentious pseudointellecuals
Coppola isn't wrong that the MCU aren't low concept films, they're absolutely more designed for a high concept mass appeal, but he's absolutely wrong that they are despicable.
If that's the case, perhaps these interviewers should be asking Coppola and Scorsese why they are propping up, giving money to and/or applauding the works of pedophiles instead of what their opinions of Marvel movies are.
Actually on his thoughts on Marvel movies: I don't understand why he cares about whether or not they are cinema, a simple "no comment" would have went a long way.
Just like with Scorsese I see no problem with this opinion and I still thoroughly enjoy the marvel films and accept they are not trying to be what is considered cinema.
The bit at the end where he goes in on them is wrong though.
The bit at the end where he goes in on them is wrong though.
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80 year olds aren't boomers...
Besides, who cares about he this gate keeping bullshit? I mean besides sites looking for quotes to get clicks.
Besides, who cares about he this gate keeping bullshit? I mean besides sites looking for quotes to get clicks.
He pulled a Todd Phillips and renamed it Metropolis in order to secure the funding
Considering he also produced the sequel, there's no way he didn't know. I was a kid and even I knew.
That assumes that young people only like stuff like MCU movies and nothing else
I know it's not going to be any good but I can't help but be curious.
Nope, you have to be on one side or the other. Only a madman could be fine with such an opinion and also enjoy MCU movies.
obviously /s
These guys can like or dislike whatever they want, I don't know why people are so hung up on it. Reminds me of when Ebert said games aren't art and people were falling all over themselves to convince him otherwise. Like .. why do you care what they think!
Scorsese says nothing is gained from making the same movies over and over again...Scorses's resume contains a crap load of mafia movies...using the same actors over and over...movies that mostly depict crime and murdering/violence...Yeah I understand where these guys are coming from - Marvel films can be compared fairly to rollar coaster rides but they can also be considered cinema.
If Marty and Coppola want to host a workshop on their own craft I'll sit down and listen. But their opinions on mass market popcorn flicks should be ignored, absolutely, and especially so when it's not even decent critique.
I'm not even a big fan of the MCU, it's lacking in a lot of technical areas which I have discussed on this forum (for example I am unimpressed with almost the entirety of the MCU's cinematography and at least the Cap movies' fight scenes are made in the edit and I can't stand it), but their arguments are claiming that there is nothing human, or emotive, or inspiring, or so-on about these movies and it's just bullshit. What got me to appreciate these movies in spite of how much the technical decisions irk the hell out of me - and boy did I piss my friends off with my whining about it until earlier this year - is the very fact that through the course of all these movies the characters grow & change, and discussing these characters' broader arcs with my friends who do enjoy the MCU far more than I has been very inspiring conversation that involved some very real emotions and gave me many moments where I considered deeper aspects of human nature and reconsidered how to approach my own craft.
Now is there a real issue with the industry moving toward aping the MCU? Oh hell yes and it's frustrating seeing how often attempts at cinematic universes raise their ugly heads. But that's a footnote in what these guys are saying. And honestly that's what art has been forever. Even the great painters of history were mostly doing humdrum commission work for aristocrats where their skill was gauged by how well they could imitate the greats of their time, as much as we laud their work today.
Like I said, these dudes were fortunate to have made movies in a brief period where they could do what they wanted to and the studios could confidently sell an audience on it. They are having a hard time seeing outside that perspective. They sound like me when my friends used to warn people I "hate all movies" when film discussion came up in mixed company.
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This is such a wholesome and complimentary statement-as opposed to Coppola's and Scorsese's bitter, almost childlike dismissal of the entire success and acceptance of the MCU. It's not like liking a Marvel movie excludes one from being able to watch a David Lynch movie.
They are half right. MCU is definitely different than their way of movies. But they're also half wrong, I think. They're certainly not despicable.
Considering some of the comments here, pretty sure some people do think something along those lines
Didnt you see Endgame? It literally starts with thanos at the french plantation
I get where both are coming from, but their buddies Lucas and Spielberg basically popularized these types of movies. Star Wars and Raiders aren't necessarily high cinema. It's like complaining about musicals back in the day.
The landscape has changed. No one's going to pay a ton of money and deal with theater bullshit to see an intimate character study or a quiet drama. That sort of "prestige" stuff has moved to cable, while the mid-tier fare has been pretty much wiped out. I mean, if you're going to mourn anything, lament the loss of the B-movie.
The landscape has changed. No one's going to pay a ton of money and deal with theater bullshit to see an intimate character study or a quiet drama. That sort of "prestige" stuff has moved to cable, while the mid-tier fare has been pretty much wiped out. I mean, if you're going to mourn anything, lament the loss of the B-movie.
Yeah but Spielberg is a bad artist, whereas these ones are good.
Agreed. This has more to do with streaming, cable and the piss poor theater experience.
You must have not watched a lot of Scorsese movies because there is a pretty great variety. Plus, there is nothing wrong with an auteur continuing to make movies in the same vein in his career. Watch Silence, then watch Goodfellas and tell me about them being the same movies over and over.
Yeah, if i was criticizing a series of films i never watched, i too could make such a reductive comment.
So Jack is cinema but a comic book movie isn't? This just reads as them being tired of them being the only big movies in theaters nowadays. Which is fine, but them acting as if they haven't put out garbage or something subpar is funny.