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Foundation (Apple TV+) - Jared Harris Goes to Space... Again [SEE STAFF POST]
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alright episode, but my god the fight choreography was horrible! If you can't (understandably) commit to having good choreography, don't have it at all, specially in such a high budget show, makes it look cheap as hell. There are other ways to handle suspense.
That's the first episode I didn't enjoy at all. Confused bollocks that went nowhere. Hopefully it picks back up
The whole AA thing was also nonsensical for other reasons, for example: the imperial ship should have been able to communicate with the ground or fire onto the ground from a much higher altitude than the one they were at. The fact that they couldn't use radio to contact Terminus from a distance of maybe 100,000 km without a buoy was silly too, as even today's technology can accomplish this.
I imagine Gaal is supposed to be a kind of Ramanujan type character to Seldon's Hardy, at least thinking of her as such makes it easier for me to suspend my disbelief. What stood out to me the most during the scenes on her homeworld was that out of all the books in the university library she was given precisely the one required to solve the Abraxis conjecture. I find it hard to believe this was a coincidence.
Did not care for this episode, some omega level plot conveniences and i just dont feel what Gaal is doing emotionally or otherwise
Were to believe that after what weve been shown on screen shes that madly in love with Raach, and would fucking off herself after he got aired?
She solved that premise in a matter of days it seemed and can just calculate where the ship is and is going to from a screen of stars?
Now how did she get to be that good on a planet that has been destroyed by climate change and gone full religion and banned all scientific learning, by punishment of death?
On top of that i dont find the acting to be that good
Warden clearly being most competent and others not listening is getting tiresome too, it also kinda feels like shes surrounded by people who cannot fathom what other people are experiencing and is the only one of them that can understand basic emotions
And what the fuck was that audience handholding on her saving her mother?
Like we didnt understand what happened and had to be told?
The AA gun thats being cloaked and an imperial ship sloooowly descending and getting destryed couldve been done in 4min on a better show, here its milked like its actual good content
Idk, the writing in this is really fucking poor when its poor
Were to believe that after what weve been shown on screen shes that madly in love with Raach, and would fucking off herself after he got aired?
She solved that premise in a matter of days it seemed and can just calculate where the ship is and is going to from a screen of stars?
Now how did she get to be that good on a planet that has been destroyed by climate change and gone full religion and banned all scientific learning, by punishment of death?
On top of that i dont find the acting to be that good
Warden clearly being most competent and others not listening is getting tiresome too, it also kinda feels like shes surrounded by people who cannot fathom what other people are experiencing and is the only one of them that can understand basic emotions
And what the fuck was that audience handholding on her saving her mother?
Like we didnt understand what happened and had to be told?
The AA gun thats being cloaked and an imperial ship sloooowly descending and getting destryed couldve been done in 4min on a better show, here its milked like its actual good content
Idk, the writing in this is really fucking poor when its poor
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The Gaal part of the episode somehow made her backstory less believable and interesting. Before I just figured she spent her whole life studying material that may have been frowned upon, but was at least available.
Now we know she spent a couple of years at most reading a few books, and from that she became the greatest mathematician in the galaxy.
Now we know she spent a couple of years at most reading a few books, and from that she became the greatest mathematician in the galaxy.
At least they bothered to imply the ship had some kind of counter measure to that attack, for all good that it did them. I can't help bo to imagine a Gzilt ships, which are superior to the Culture ones, seeing that scene. A officer needs to see the incoming attack, vocalize it, the commanding officer would need to wait and listen and then relay an order to tell what kind of action they should take. How long that took? Seconds? An entire war could have gone in that timeframe in Banks novels.
I think this show just doesn't understand which parts of it are interesting and which aren't. I want a show that's like 90% empire and 10% foundation stuff. I mean the show is called Foundation and it's the most boring part of the show.
Indeed. Writing must work different in the Imperium as it seems the entire knowledge of mathematics was contained in a few ancient looking scrolls. Also, people writing the show need to see this:
Although it kind goes against the premise of the story so maybe not?
i'm just sad 10,000 years in the future EMP bombs have to be hidden in your eyeball, why not stick to the true and time tested butt bomb. "one second guys, i've got some real swamp ass going on here"
honestly this show might be 10x better if it pivoted to be a comedy, multi camera, laugh track. Think how much better the fight scene woulda been if you had raucous laughter on top of it, like Big Bang Theory. And then an "awwwwww" when the mom and Salvor talk.
honestly this show might be 10x better if it pivoted to be a comedy, multi camera, laugh track. Think how much better the fight scene woulda been if you had raucous laughter on top of it, like Big Bang Theory. And then an "awwwwww" when the mom and Salvor talk.
Loved all the space stuff in this episode, didn't like the terminus stuff. Everything on terminus feels like a worse lower budget show with all questionable actors lol.
I feel like the showrunners either don't like or don't understand Foundation. The interesting stuff (clones) isn't even from Foundation
Should've just made a show about Trantor
Should've just made a show about Trantor
Don't you remember all that death and murder in the books!? You also don't remember how many people Salvor Hardin fought in hand to hand combat in the book?
I also really didn't care about a damn thing Gaal did in the entire episode.
This show is super disappointing.
I do really like the empire parts and perhaps it would have been a better for a show to just be focused on that perspective, just based on the books universe and with less expectations and a smaller budget; kinda like a sci fi i, Claudius but with the fall of empire.
Yeah. It's disappointing for sure, considering nobody is going to come along and make a different Foundation show in a few years. This is almost certainly the only Foundation adaptation we'll ever get. It's frustrating.
Agreed, it's done well and would make for really good TV.
Knew something was up as soon as they mentioned "buried in a coffin of Hari's own design." That's an egomaniacal thing to have even by a world leader's standard.
First half of this was borderline unwatchable. Felt like they needed to fill time so they decided to retread irrelevant information. And that "math montage" was just bleugh.
This is literally what the thread is for, and as far as I'm aware the standard rule for every OT on the site. Stop clicking on it and watch the show instead of demanding everyone wait for you to catch up.
First half of this was borderline unwatchable. Felt like they needed to fill time so they decided to retread irrelevant information. And that "math montage" was just bleugh.
This is literally what the thread is for, and as far as I'm aware the standard rule for every OT on the site. Stop clicking on it and watch the show instead of demanding everyone wait for you to catch up.
Just listening to the podcast now and apparently the shower flip was because the ship flipped to fire the engines in the opposite direction ie, it's slowing down.
i also thought it was stupid
The last episode lost me, I have no idea what they're doing with the Gaal+Haris storyline.
The Salvor storyline has been pretty weak so far, she's not a bad actor at all, just the entire colony feels useless and clueless.
The empire storyline is the best one so far, I really enjoy watching the Cleons fall apart.
The Salvor storyline has been pretty weak so far, she's not a bad actor at all, just the entire colony feels useless and clueless.
The empire storyline is the best one so far, I really enjoy watching the Cleons fall apart.
That gardener is def going to be an assassin.
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Show got bad pretty quick. Hope it recovers
The Gaal and Raych storyline is just boring. Showing Gaal's past was ok but added nothing new to the table that wasn't already clear.
Terminus was ok, just not executed well.
Really disappointed we don't get much more of Jared Harris. He and Lee Pace were carrying the show so far. Trantor is the only really interesting thing right now.
The episode also looked quite cheap compared to the other ones so far. The battle was not well done.
The Gaal and Raych storyline is just boring. Showing Gaal's past was ok but added nothing new to the table that wasn't already clear.
Terminus was ok, just not executed well.
Really disappointed we don't get much more of Jared Harris. He and Lee Pace were carrying the show so far. Trantor is the only really interesting thing right now.
The episode also looked quite cheap compared to the other ones so far. The battle was not well done.
Yeah, Gaal said that in the show.
Still very dumb. There wasn't any kind of warning before that happens? Could easily kill someone.
Also they clearly have antigrav technology, making it even more silly.
I get they felt the need to ease us back in with the Gaal character, but jeez, 20 minutes. Makes you wonder if this was all in an early edit of the pilot and just recycled it because they already paid for it.
And it always sucks having a show with such an obvious big budget and then they script this Terminus nonsense.
Anyways, next time we are back with Lee Pace and maybe Harris, so that should automatically be much better.
And it always sucks having a show with such an obvious big budget and then they script this Terminus nonsense.
Anyways, next time we are back with Lee Pace and maybe Harris, so that should automatically be much better.
Podcast stated they wanted to spend time with her feeling abandoned and coming to terms with the fact that everyone she knew has died or getting back to them would be impossible as they'd be dead by the time she returned. So she was stripped of everything but her intelligence. And they planted the seeds for some other stuff with her for the rest of the season.
I thought it was fine. Not entirely sure I get why people are frustrated with how it's drawing out the mysteries. This is a show that's gonna take place over centuries.
Ain't gonna lie I was waiting the whole episode for it to go back to Empire, and then it didn't. If anything this show is making my very curious to read the books cause it's crazy how a storyline they made up for the show(Clone emperors) is the best part of the show and not the actual adaptation. This is reverse Game of Thrones.
Staff post - Salvor's actor is nonbinary, please use they/them pronouns when referring to the actor
Official Staff Communication
Been trying to get everyone on board with the fact that Salvor's actor is nonbinary, but at this point, I'm rolling with a brief staff post. I get that they're playing a woman and all but it's good to be correct about this stuff!
What are you advising: we use they/them if referring to the person and she/her if referring to the character?
There is uhhhh a whole lot of bad in the raid of Terminus. Like the wall of soldiers shooting while running (lmao), all those dudes shooting not hitting a single thing, then all this hand to hand stuff with a a bunch of colonists who have less than a dozen rifles between them. There there is the change in time of day to night so suddenly. This was the first miss for me, and a pretty big one.
I guess I'm a little bewildered with a few of the things that are happening but nothing strikes me as particularly interest breaking. I don't get the flip thing in the shower for sure.
the raid when all those guys are running and shooting and hitting nothing is pretty funny but I didn't really care.
I'm still very interested in where this is all going and I love Lee Pace in this.
salvor is obviously related to gaal. They're going to say something like the mom was infertile so they injected her with the last viable zygote or whatever.
I don't get the ship gaal is on but it is an interesting story element. The artifact is interesting but the rest of the Terminus stuff feels like something you would see in a late episode of Andromeda.
the raid when all those guys are running and shooting and hitting nothing is pretty funny but I didn't really care.
I'm still very interested in where this is all going and I love Lee Pace in this.
salvor is obviously related to gaal. They're going to say something like the mom was infertile so they injected her with the last viable zygote or whatever.
I don't get the ship gaal is on but it is an interesting story element. The artifact is interesting but the rest of the Terminus stuff feels like something you would see in a late episode of Andromeda.
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I think the shower flip was due to the ship doing a 180 flip to start doing a retro burn to slow down (often shown in the Expanse) and her not holding on to anything. Didn't seem quite right to me unless she happened to be at the center of the ship, but whatever.
The army had a definite Stormtrooper Marksmanship Academy thing going on.
I think I gathered that much about the flip but I think I'm still confused since there is obviously supposed to be antigravity on the ship. Would think she would go up and down rather than spinning around. Maybe it was just an excuse to get a glistening shot of her ass? Idk.
I don't know if it's just me, but your staff post doesn't seem to be threadmarked or anything despite the title
yeah this is essentially a tale of two shows so far. there's trantor and Brother Day, which is interesting. and there's terminus and the foundation, which is ass. and for a show called 'Foundation', that's a problem. i really feel like they should have kept the entirety of season 1 focused on trantor, the empire, and all the game of thrones-y machinations involved. the exile should have happened at the end of season, imo.
I have been enjoying the show so far.
Visually it is my aesthetic and has a lot of stuff I like. Plus Lee Pace being in it goes a long way.
But ep5 was a big momentum killer for me.
Visually it is my aesthetic and has a lot of stuff I like. Plus Lee Pace being in it goes a long way.
But ep5 was a big momentum killer for me.
Nothing in the raid made sense to me (though I could be missing something obvious?). Their big plan is to destroy a outpost city that the Empire hates to get back at the empire? yes i get that they somehow blame the words of Hari for putting the Empire on edge but still.
They know about the cloaked Anti-Air gun and don't tell the ship. Just too much silliness, I have no issues with disbelief and enjoying a show for what it is but for me things always need to make sense in universe or to the characters. The Warden just seems so with it, so for them not to mention that seems odd. Or did she just never get a chance because things popped off? not keen to rewatch to find out.
As other people have noted all of the action felt off, lots of shooting but no one getting hit, the hand to hand action editing and blocking being a bit rough.
Hopefully next ep starts picking it up again.
They know about the cloaked Anti-Air gun and don't tell the ship. Just too much silliness, I have no issues with disbelief and enjoying a show for what it is but for me things always need to make sense in universe or to the characters. The Warden just seems so with it, so for them not to mention that seems odd. Or did she just never get a chance because things popped off? not keen to rewatch to find out.
As other people have noted all of the action felt off, lots of shooting but no one getting hit, the hand to hand action editing and blocking being a bit rough.
Hopefully next ep starts picking it up again.
they jammed the comms locally so the people that knew weren't able to communicate that I guess.
but you would think they would all know they were building a huge cannon there.
I really enjoyed the episode outside of the terrible shooting by the bad guys. Showed Gaal's intelligence well. I really like Salvor, too. I don't get the bad acting that everyone seems so keen to lay on her actor.
Agreed Im loving the show so far, and I was so glad Jared Harris is back.
Thanks! Thought I might be misremembering something, at least that particular part makes more sense now.
The books are mostly political. There is literally no action in the book, except for literally one gunshot. Salvor Hardin isn't a warden or whatever, just a super smart politician who was working for the municipal government on Terminus, and not actually attached to the Encyclopedia. I mean, the fact that they are still living in Habs after 30 years and not having built anything new is also weird to me.
It's super frustrating.
Could have just said "It's been 30 years," and a line of dialogue about everyone you know being dead. I dunno, I just didn't care about the first 20 minutes. Nothing in it made an emotional impact on me other than boredom.
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