I don't actually have to argue anything because you haven't made anything approaching a credible claim.
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Fortnite to be blacklisted from Apple ecosystem until the exhaustion of all appeals, could be up to 5 years.
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I don't actually have to argue anything because you haven't made anything approaching a credible claim.
Oh yeah he expected to be the saint and hero. Pulling the mighty Excalibur out in slaying the evil Apple demon. I don't think he really understands how PR works, he pulled a bioware magic.
Hardly a surprise, but it'll still be a bummer to finally have a 120hz iPhone and not be able to try out Fortnite on it. Oh well lol
Honestly, I don't really understand why anyone is still working with him. He's shown repeatedly that he will:
Copy your work and sell it as his own (PUBG, Among Us, countless dancers).
Breach his contracts without warning (apple).
Put your projects in jeopardy if he thinks it gives him leverage in his other disputes (anyone using unreal, especially if they are planning on a mobile launch).
Copy your work and sell it as his own (PUBG, Among Us, countless dancers).
Breach his contracts without warning (apple).
Put your projects in jeopardy if he thinks it gives him leverage in his other disputes (anyone using unreal, especially if they are planning on a mobile launch).
Okay, I'm gullible. No one has the time or resources to do that and there's no reason to do that. You can live in fear if you want. Don't use any devices then. Android is even worse.
Whether it's true or not, resources and reasons are not compelling evidence to the contrary. The for-profit and career advancement criminal justice system actively incentivizes it (clear reason enough), and if they have the capacity to scan, process, update, and backup trillions of images, voice commands, and apps, they certainly have the means to auto parse, cap, or OCR everything on your device.
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Epic will no doubt announce and launch Fortnite 2 in the next few weeks to try and bypass this ban right.
I mean 70% from the users that will only play the game there. The big question is what's that number?
Release on what? The IOS store? They do not have a dev license..
from epics point of view iOS is not a significant market and the ability to start a conversation on how app stores run and the ways they make money is more beneficial to him in the long run.
this was a 20 year plan not a 5 year one
Kind of a bad sign when the whole plan gets derailed 2 years in.
Why is he still calling Apple a monopoly? Didn't the judge already conclude otherwise?
i guess we are disagreeing about whether this is a derailment. I see this as sweeny posturing for the (vocal) minority of Fortnite users who exclusively use iOS and the cost-benefit of making 70% of them vs the opportunity to break the perceived storefront monopoly taxation.
Tims ultimate goal is EGS on every device and consumer choice in storefronts, or at least that's his publicly stated goal. There have been questionable choices he's made like signing exclusivity deals and treating launchers like console ecosystems which doesn't benefit the consumer in a sense but has been necessary to force some form of relevancy into the market.
Time will tell whether he gets what he wants but I would say that the discussion about what qualifies a captured market and business practices of app store inventors (? dont know if thats the right word) are something we should be having as consumers choice in media engagement moves more away from physical retail models into these storefronts
They knowingly breached the terms, that is not how you plead your case or present an argument.
Consoles account for the majority of Fortnite revenue. This court decision got him no closer to being able to launch a storefront on Playstation, Xbox, or Switch. His own lawyers argued why consoles are different and not subject to their arguments against iOS.
He failed on iOS and dug a deeper hole for himself on consoles.
If this was true, people would be getting arrested for things like drug possession seemingly randomly, but there is no evidence that is happening. These are essentially baseless accusations and fear mongering
This sentiment is not wrong, but Tim made this very weird by pretending to take a moral stand and make this about the 'consumers.'
Apple was always out for number 1 from the get-go, so at least in this case they were genuine and the normal amount of slimy you expect from a corporation.
Just because people are pleased about one asshole getting his comeuppance against another asshole doesn't mean anybody "loves" the latter.
That was a beautiful way to say: get fucked.
You can say whatever you want about Apple and it's app-store rules/cut, but Epic's should have sued and/or appeal to the public with a PR/press campaign rather than break the app store rules first.
Then there's that whole fiasco of the lawsuit and video/event that they had ready to go, now they expect camaraderie. You had a plan and it backfired (so far).
You can say whatever you want about Apple and it's app-store rules/cut, but Epic's should have sued and/or appeal to the public with a PR/press campaign rather than break the app store rules first.
Then there's that whole fiasco of the lawsuit and video/event that they had ready to go, now they expect camaraderie. You had a plan and it backfired (so far).
Tim Tweetey posts this like a flex "Look at how unfairly Apple treats me after my very nice email!" yet he's only digging deeper. Everyone knows he dug this hole and acting like he didn't is some damn hypocritical shit.
I like how Tim is still trying to litigate this in the court of public opinion because he can't win in the real court. And of course he hopes you don't notice in that screenshot of his email that he states that their decision to bring Fortnite back to iOS is contingent upon Apple reversing itself on payments, i.e. voluntarily giving Epic what the court wouldn't.
No they can't. They can only advertise ways to buy things outside the app. They can't link directly to them or process purchases in the app.
No they can't. They can only advertise ways to buy things outside the app. They can't link directly to them or process purchases in the app.
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As much of an Apple booster as I am, I actually think anti-steering is the right way to go and should have been implemented by Apple long ago.
As long as there is a clear way for a user to sign up directly by the provider, as well as an in-app way to sign up, I'm totally cool with this.
A consumer can then make the choice to stick with the in-app purchase system (and the ease/convenience it provides) or potentially save money by going direct to the app maker themselves but dealing with new payment options per vendor.
Do we have any proof Epic agreed to abide by all rules? Because this wouldn't be the first time he's fibbed in service of his own agenda.
When YsNet announced Shenmue 3 would launch exclusively on EGS without the possibility of a Steam key or refund, Sweeney spent the next few days fighting with people on Twitter, asserting Valve's policy on key generation prevented YsNet from offering them to backers later down the track. It wasn't until people began pointing out to him that the Steamworks documentation is public and no such clause actually exists that -- hey-presto -- YsNet announced belated Steam keys and refunds would be offered.
Epic snapped up Shenmue 3 because it wanted the backers, not so much the game itself, and Sweeney ruined that to at least some degree because he's incapable of keeping his ego in check. If he'd just said nothing and instructed everyone involved to stay off the topic, the whole thing would've eventually blown over.
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His email said he'll abide by the rules as long as Apple doesn't impose "onerous terms or impediments to a good user experience." Which is a condition completely open to interpretation. If Apple had agreed, I'm sure he'll be able to concoct something as an excuse not meeting those conditions in his eyes.
Tim Elic gets his comeuppance. Not that I particularly like what Tim Apple does, but damn Tim Epic is making himself to look more a fool with every tweet.
Ah, thanks. So, this is almost certainly Sweeney being his usual disingenuous self, then. Colour me surprised.
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I'm pretty sure he's being sneaky here; he talks about them abiding by the "plain language" of the specific ruling; if I had to guess, I'd guess Epic is doing the same thing a few article writers did when the ruling drop.. acting like this "language" allows for alternative IAP.
When the ruling itself, the full written ruling, makes it incredibly clear it doesn't.
I'm not really a fan of Apple nor Epic and I feel like Epic is largely emboldened by Tencent money and acting as Tencent's proxy in this fight to break the OS control of google and Apple so I'm just going to say I hope this drags on. Neither are great, but Apple appears to be marginally better
Tim's messiah complex has been grating from the beginning.
Apple has been shamelessly anti-competitive, yes, and they definitely deserve to be reigned in. But Epic acting like they're doing this out of the goodness of the hearts, and not just weaponizing the judicial system to wring more money out of the mobile space, is insulting.
Seeing him try and build some sort of movement around #FreeFortnite while the George Floyd protests were going on made it especially tasteless. Like...we have more important things to worry about than your bottom line right now.
The cheerleading for Apple's bullying of Epic in this forum, apart being embarrassing to read, really puts on a stark reflector how BAD PR can ruin your company reputation long term, even if you think you're basically unsinkable.
Epic is paying dearly moneyhatting exclusives to remove them from the better platform (Steam), manipulating kids into their own personal internet army, making their game unplayable on apple hardware for no other reason than a headline grabbing caprice, and posing as some people's hero instead of just fighting this as a business battle between shitty monopolists (because, also, that is exactly Epic's long term plan with the metaverse).
Epic is paying dearly moneyhatting exclusives to remove them from the better platform (Steam), manipulating kids into their own personal internet army, making their game unplayable on apple hardware for no other reason than a headline grabbing caprice, and posing as some people's hero instead of just fighting this as a business battle between shitty monopolists (because, also, that is exactly Epic's long term plan with the metaverse).
People aren't going to make a smartphone purchase decision based on where Fortnite is located.
I'm talking about the young players who play on their iPads or iPhones who's family's can't afford another device for them. They're left in the cold by Epic's malarkey.
I'm aware ipads and iphones are luxury devices, but I saw numerous families scrapping together to purchase them for kids when I worked in the cell phone industry. It's those kids/young people who I feel for.
You're right though if this was, say, a Mac computer. Those things are prodigiously expensive. On the other hand, you can get an iPad for $330.
I mean, Apple hardware tends to hold very good resale value since they support their devices with OS updates for a long time. If this was really an issue you could sell it and buy another device that can play Fortnite. There are Android phones and tablets under $200.
Edit: Apple also didn't delete the app from existing devices. They terminated the Epic dev account meaning they can't issue updates and no new users can "buy" the free app, but existing users can still play the game until they change to new hardware or an OS update breaks the existing app (rare).
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