Epic once again is not advocating to get rid of the cut that Apple takes, that is in their own press release regarding it. They just want to be able to set up stores where companies can use their own payment processing services without being hamstrung and forced to pay 30% just because someones hosts their service on their OS.But what's the reasoning, once a platform is big enough they just have to let everyone use it without paying any money?
If Epic wins this it sets a big precedent that all other storefronts will have to follow.
You are forced to use iOS. They actively stop you from using the device on any other way than agreeing to their terms.Then don't use their OS and jailbreak it to do what you want. Simple.
Apple is forcing you to pay thru apple for in app purchases and taking a 30% cut on that too. In app purchases cost apple nothing.But what's the reasoning, once a platform is big enough they just have to let everyone use it without paying any money?
If Epic wins this it sets a big precedent that all other storefronts will have to follow.
Breaking:
It a joint statement Apple and Epic Games will increase the cost of their games so the existing 30% cut amount can be gained by both corporations.
Their big issue is being forced to use apple for customers to pay for purchases within apps. Which is bullshitDo you think Epic would be happy if Apple and Google changed their policies such that any company, which makes less than a certain amount or less than these many installs, pay 20% and other bigger apps or revenue generators pay 30% ?
More like Microsoft controlling what software is released on Xbox.Wouldn't this be like Microsoft controlling what software is put onto Windows, and how companies should sell their products?
Because even though yes Epic is a big company, they have a point against Apple and Google.
does it really matter at that point? It's billions against trillions, at that point you get the same quality of lawyers i'd guessNot sure how good it'll be for Epic to against two trillionaire companies
They are way too ubiquitous as computing devices to be locked down the way they are.Genuine question: Why, from a legal standpoint, should Apple be forced to allow other storefronts in their ecosystem? They did 100% of the work designing the hardware, the OS, the storefront, basically every part of the phone except for the apps. So why should someone be able to create apps and make money in that ecosystem without going through Apple who created the entire thing to begin with and pays 100% of the cost of maintenance, curation, OS development, payment fees, etc?
And before anyone accuses me of shilling for Apple, I'm asking a genuine question and open to well-reasoned responses.
The fact that they are going after both of them for very similar practices, both companies that represent like...100% of the mobile market, if anything their case is stronger now than before.
I know you're joking, but at least /s it or something, news is coming fast and hot and we don't need this kinda stuff muddying the waters.
As I said, you can jailbreak it and you void those terms and you can use the device as you see fit. Just answering your initial statement there that it's your device and you want to do what you want with it. Some of the older phones support android right now.You are forced to use iOS. They actively stop you from using the device on any other way than agreeing to their terms.
Then the day when legislation is introduced for a right to run your own software on any devices you own, the console makers are about as fucked.Naw. Epic snd Fortnite isn't restricted to the mobile market, therefore Apple/Google doesn't control enough of their customer base. It participates in far broader gaming market that also includes Nintendo, Microsoft, and Sony.
As I said, you can jailbreak it and you void those terms and you can use the device as you see fit. Just answering your initial statement there that it's your device and you want to do what you want with it. Some of the older phones support android right now.
Their big issue is being forced to use apple for customers to pay for purchases within apps. Which is bullshit
If it's not on them, why do they say it like it's a given? Here's the actual wordings:How is it a lie when it is a true statement that the developers are just not following through with? A less of a cut DOES mean that developers could sell for cheaper if they wanted to. Key words there being "if they wanted to". Epic cannot force them to sell at lower prices. That is not on them at all but on the publishers and developers entirely.
Don't make a statement if you can't keep it. It's been almost 2 years since EGS launched and nothing has changed. It's called lying."After you go through several cycles of game developers making decisions, you're going to see lower prices as developers pass on the savings to customers, realizing they can sell more copies if they have a better price."
I look forward to them pulling this on Sony, Nintendo, and Microsoft. (they won't)
Yes.
They sell devices. Once I own it it's my own fucks what I do with it.
And it might even be that I don't want to even use their software. It's my right as a consumer.
Sure, but you will void your warranty and probably break a few TOS's along the way.
Is this the same Epic that has been paying developers to pull their games from a competing platform?
In their words, "Eliminating consumer choice".
PayPal charges 3% to use it's payment system.I thought the issue was the amount they were charging. It's a win-win if they price it based on tiers. That's my 2 cents.
You don't even need that much..
Epic sued Apple after Apple kicked them off the App Store for implementing an alternative payment for Fortnite, bypassing the App Store 30 percent cut.
Epic did the same for Fortnite on Android and Google followed did the same thing, kicking them off the Play Store. Epic sued them as well.
They take a cut, but not 30 percent. And they alternative payment methods works with the Nintendo, Sony, and MS, not Google Play and the App Store.This is weird. Epic has a store where they take a cut from people as well. I wonder how Epic would handle things if those devs put up an alternative payment method.
This isn't even accounting for MS, Sony, and Nintendo. This is all weird to me lol.
This entire thing reads to me as a PR play....yeah, they're going to get taken to the cleaners, aren't they? I mean, the Apple lawsuit was already a bit of a no-hoper, but this simultaneously undermines the Apple lawsuit and strikes me as even more of a non-starter in its own right.
The House is currently debating the biggest antitrust measures that would be implemented against Silicon Valley giants like Apple and Google (amongst others) in 20+ years. The cuts they take were directly brought up in the latest hearings.
They have no alternative pay system on consoles, they just go through the standard platform payment system.They take a cut, but not 30 percent. And they alternative payment methods works with the Nintendo, Sony, and MS, not Google Play and the App Store.
Have you read what I wrote ? I said they need to take a cut based on the app revenue and tier it. Paypal cannot charge more because they haven't put billions of dollars and man hours to build an eco system. Now that it created a successful eco system, Apple charging more for other companies to use its userbase make sense. So, the method I proposed seems fair where the smaller developers get taxed less than the big ones.PayPal charges 3% to use it's payment system.
Apple charges 30% to use it's payment system for in app purchases.
30% to unlock things in the app.
It's insane.
They take a cut, but not 30 percent. And they alternative payment methods works with the Nintendo, Sony, and MS, not Google Play and the App Store.
The very same. The irony of this is unlikely to be lost among Apple or Google's litigation teams, either.Is this the same Epic that has been paying developers to pull their games from a competing platform?
In their words, "Eliminating consumer choice".
Correct. Same with Google.I thought the problem with the alternative method is that it went directly to Epic bypassing Apples cut?
Lol Fall Guys in real life.Who knew the true Battle Royale would take place in the real world and between corporations.
Custom ringtones on the 2022 roadmap.Epic gonna surprise everyone by coming out with their own smartphone soon.