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Forbes is reporting that Discord has "shut out white supremacists" from its platform and by doing that, it has been recently valued at USD $3.5 billion:

www.forbes.com

Discord Was Once The Alt-Right’s Favorite Chat App. Now It’s Gone Mainstream And Scored A New $3.5 Billion Valuation

By shutting out white supremacists and reinventing itself to be more accessible, Discord has added millions more users—teachers, boy scouts, book clubs, even Black Lives Matter protestors—and landed a $100 infusion from investors.

Discord Was Once The Alt-Right's Favorite Chat App. Now It's Gone Mainstream And Scored A New $3.5 Billion Valuation

By shutting out white supremacists and reinventing itself to be more accessible, Discord has added millions of more diverse users—teachers, Boy Scouts, book clubs, Black Lives Matter protestors—and landed a $100 million infusion from investors.

When Black Lives Matter protests began in Dallas near the end of May, Maria Santibanez, 26, decided she wanted to join. Yet details about plans—where they'd meet, where they'd go, where they'd end—were scattered across the internet. Santibanez stumbled on a social media platform called Discord, a five-year-old video-and-voice chat app that's a cross between Reddit and Slack. There she joined Dallas Protests Collective, one of more than two dozen Discord groups devoted to Black Lives Matters. (Others include ones called Woke Black Nerds and All Cops Are Bastards.)

This one in Dallas was dedicated to organizing events and proved to be a useful repository of information. It now has around 1,000 people, and Santibanez is its chief leader, spending much of her past month directing people to it whenever she sees someone online asking about information on the demonstrations. "Most of us were not experienced with Discord, but we're learning and got things set up," says Santibanez, who works for Enterprise in its corporate rental fleet. "It's been awesome to see it grow organically, like a patchwork quilt."

It's a bit discordant to think about Discord being used by Santibanez and other Black Lives Matter activists. The ironically named communication app started its life attracting far, far different crowds. It was founded in 2015 to make it easier for gamers to talk while playing video games and gained notoriety as a home for the Alt-Right two years later when white supremacists used it to orchestrate that summer's Charlottesville protests. Caught largely unaware, Discord only worked to expel the racist groups after the protests ended with 34 people injured and a woman dead, mowed down by a car.

Discord's founders CEO Jason Citron, 35, bearded and bespectacled, and Stan Vishnevskiy, 31, the scruffy-faced chief technology officer, willingly admit to missteps through Discord's first few years. "You're going to make mistakes," says Citron, speaking publicly about Charlottesville for the first time. "As long as it doesn't kill you, you learn from it."

While Discord is still a place rife with gaming's school-yard culture, parts of it unwelcoming to anyone not straight, white and male, it has transformed into something much more mainstream since 2017. Well over 30% of its users—some teens but the majority of them 18 to 44—now go to Discord for something other than gaming. Through the app, teens trade informal messages, as they do on Snapchat, and assemble study groups, a habit that has increased since the pandemic closed schools. Book clubs gather through the video-chat function. Boy Scout troops are using it to communicate while social distancing. Teachers have relied on it to complete virtual lessons. And protesters have used it to organize. "What we're doing is less about games—more about bonding, chatting, hanging out," says Vishnevskiy.

All of this has helped Discord attract more than 300 million registered users, up from 250 million a year ago and quadruple the figure from 2018. Some 100 million people use it actively every month, a 50%-plus increase in a year, making Discord roughly a third the size of Twitter or Snapchat. Altogether the users spend 4 billion minutes each day either texting, voice chatting or video messaging via the app.

Its broader appeal has also captured the attention of venture investors. In a reversal of how things usually work in Silicon Valley, Index Ventures' Danny Rimer, whose firm had invested in Discord's last fundraising in December 2018, called them in February to offer more money. In a deal not previously reported, Citron and Vishnevskiy agreed in June to take another $100 million in venture funding—at a $3.5 billion valuation, up from $2.05 billion 18 months ago.

The funding comes with the understanding that Citron and Vishnevskiy, who hold stakes in the startup worth probably more than $350 million each, will continue to broaden the app's audience and focus on growing revenue. Discord is on track to top $120 million in sales this year, Forbes estimates, up from around $70 million last year, fueled by its subscription service called Nitro, which allows users to customize their profiles and the Discord groups that they belong to.

"They're building something of tremendous value," says Rimer. "If they carry on with this trajectory, we're gonna be very, very happy folks."
 

Quinton

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Wow, they quadrupled their user base since 2018. I'd thought I came into the Discord scene kinda late (October 2017 or so). Guess it's blossoming better than I realized.
 

Dio

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glad that's the case. their feedback on new features has always been great too. curious if they'll look into adding tools for podcasts. not depending on craig would be a godsend.
 

Feep

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I understand I might be biased here, but I grew up with one of the co-founders of Discord, Jason Citron. We were on a high school programming team together. I remember helping him shout to PAX West passersby about Discord in 2015 from a small table, LOL.

Dude is a stand up guy. He's genuinely empathetic and he'll do his best to prevent hate speech from gaining a foothold on that platform. I'm rootin' for him, and Discord, in general.

Now if only he would get rid of that server boost nonsense and let me just pay to upgrade!
 

sibarraz

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Shouldnt Discord still be easy to keep as an alt right app if is used privately, or you can still denounce groups that are not public?
 

Einbroch

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I use it so much I got Nitro this year as well. The upload limitations being removed and animated/universal emotes are well worth it.
 

Wilsongt

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I definitely enjoy discord. It's the best system I've used for FF14 since I started playing.
 
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Wow!!! Didn't know the founders of Discord are in their 30s, Jason Citron is just a year older than me:

Discord's founders CEO Jason Citron, 35, bearded and bespectacled, and Stan Vishnevskiy, 31, the scruffy-faced chief technology officer, willingly admit to missteps through Discord's first few years. "You're going to make mistakes," says Citron, speaking publicly about Charlottesville for the first time. "As long as it doesn't kill you, you learn from it."

While Discord is still a place rife with gaming's school-yard culture, parts of it unwelcoming to anyone not straight, white and male, it has transformed into something much more mainstream since 2017. Well over 30% of its users—some teens but the majority of them 18 to 44—now go to Discord for something other than gaming. Through the app, teens trade informal messages, as they do on Snapchat, and assemble study groups, a habit that has increased since the pandemic closed schools. Book clubs gather through the video-chat function. Boy Scout troops are using it to communicate while social distancing. Teachers have relied on it to complete virtual lessons. And protesters have used it to organize. "What we're doing is less about games—more about bonding, chatting, hanging out," says Vishnevskiy.
 

J_ToSaveTheDay

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I enjoy the app and am glad it's getting less inclusive to intolerant voices. I've just used it for Era/old place FFXIV channel and private channels with my real-life friends and for those purposes it's been fantastic. Besides FFXIV, I actually don't even view it as a gamer-centric app anymore.

I know it's had a rocky start with its community perceptions but I do hope in the long run, it doesn't squander itself like a lot of social media has. I get that it's a more intimate app since it's a direct messenger and VOIP app, but internet community maintenance seems to be a much trickier task than I ever could have imagined given the kind of shit I've seen pass on Facebook and Twitter over the past 5-7 years.
 

Avitus

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It just came along and made every other voice app pointless, on top of all the other functionality.
 

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Fantastic app. Video, call, chat, free, etc. I use it more than WhatsApp at this point.
 

Ryan.

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Well deserved tbh. Been using it since 2015 with friends and we still use it together.
 

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The first I'm hearing about the alt right stuff and I've been using discord sporadically (more recently, obv) since 2015, organizing Rocket League matches...
 
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Discord had gotten an infusion of money in June that caused it to have a $3.5 billion value and this is an increase from 18 months ago where Discord was valued at $2.05 billion and it sounds like the valuation for Discord is only going to increase:

Its broader appeal has also captured the attention of venture investors. In a reversal of how things usually work in Silicon Valley, Index Ventures' Danny Rimer, whose firm had invested in Discord's last fundraising in December 2018, called them in February to offer more money. In a deal not previously reported, Citron and Vishnevskiy agreed in June to take another $100 million in venture funding—at a $3.5 billion valuation, up from $2.05 billion 18 months ago.

The funding comes with the understanding that Citron and Vishnevskiy, who hold stakes in the startup worth probably more than $350 million each, will continue to broaden the app's audience and focus on growing revenue. Discord is on track to top $120 million in sales this year, Forbes estimates, up from around $70 million last year, fueled by its subscription service called Nitro, which allows users to customize their profiles and the Discord groups that they belong to.

"They're building something of tremendous value," says Rimer. "If they carry on with this trajectory, we're gonna be very, very happy folks."
 
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The first I'm hearing about the alt right stuff and I've been using discord sporadically (more recently, obv) since 2015, organizing Rocket League matches...

Here's a section of the article that talked about Discord's alt-right problem:

A year later, Discord emerged, and quickly became a viral cult favorite among gamers. They chatted while playing via one-to-one direct messages, and joined groups, known as "servers" in Discord-speak, that then often split up into smaller groups or "channels." Some channels were text-message based. In others, a voice chat function created a digital version of a telephone party line. There were desktop and mobile versions of Discord, and it could run within a web browser without needing to be downloaded unlike competing services. Plus, it was free and fast with little load time. By July 2017, it had 45 million registered users, adding 1.1 million new users each week.

Unbeknownst to Citron and Vishnevskiy, not all were the type of people they'd hoped to attract. White nationalists had swarmed onto Discord, and it's there that they coordinated the Unite the Right gathering that would turn deadly in Charlottesville that August. The weekend event was thoroughly thought out, and a nine-page PDF eventually circulated on Discord: Women were told to stay off the front lines and concentrate on planning the after party. A central point was established for carpooling. And as the coup de grâce, everyone was instructed to bring a Tiki torch for a Friday night "vigil" and memorize the lyrics to "Dixie," the Confederacy's de facto national anthem. They planned on singing it that evening.

The two-day rally received widespread media attention, climaxing with a 20-year-old white nationalist named James Alex Fields ploughing his car into a group of people protesting Unite the Right, killing one person. (He would later be arrested and sentenced to life in prison.) Within a few days, a New York Times story detailed the event's connection to Discord, and then a Wikileaks-esque collective, Unicorn Riot, began releasing leaked logs of the white nationalists' conversations on the app.

For the Discord founders, the whirlwind of those events were a painful blur. "It was an emotionally intense time for us," says Vishnevskiy.

"The word 'horror' comes to mind," says Citron. "I'm Jewish. My grandfather fought for America in World War II against the Nazis. It certainly weighed on me that I would be working to somehow facilitate people becoming radicalized. It made me sick. I felt like I was dishonoring my family's legacy, my ancestry."

Citron and Vishnevskiy knew they had to make a fast choice about the amount of regulation to impose on their platform, a similar type of reckoning that has taken place more recently on Twitter and Facebook over President Trump's comments. Over fall 2017, they deleted roughly 100 Alt-Right groups from Discord, a first step. They promised themselves there'd be more to come.

"I want to make something that makes the world a better place," says Citron, evoking a familiar bit of Silicon Valley idealism. "And that was a real moment where we realized that we really needed to step up our efforts to make sure that that was the case."

Since Charlottesville, Discord has done a better job of policing itself, with 15% of its employees now part of its Trust and Safety team, a unit that didn't exist at all in 2017. (For perspective, Facebook pledged to devote a similar figure—about 20% of its employees—to similar tasks across its products but hasn't publicly stated if it has done so.) These days, users and groups are kicked off using metadata tracking rather than IP addresses, an attempt to better ensure people can't easily resurface elsewhere on Discord. Updates have made it easier for moderators within a group—who are normal users, not company employees—to report bad behavior swiftly; mods can also add bots, pieces of automated software, to scan for offending language.
 
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I understand I might be biased here, but I grew up with one of the co-founders of Discord, Jason Citron. We were on a high school programming team together. I remember helping him shout to PAX West passersby about Discord in 2015 from a small table, LOL.

Dude is a stand up guy. He's genuinely empathetic and he'll do his best to prevent hate speech from gaining a foothold on that platform. I'm rootin' for him, and Discord, in general.

Now if only he would get rid of that server boost nonsense and let me just pay to upgrade!

Oh awesome!!! Glad to hear that about Jason. I've been on Discord for a couple of years now and it's a really awesome platform to me. I'm glad to see that Discord took swift action in the Fall of 2017 to find and remove alt-right groups from Discord.

It's really awesome to me that Discord is now being used for more than just gaming chat and has become a useful app for a lot of people.
 

THEVOID

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Eventually one of the bigs will buy them but the price keeps going up. Had no idea about the alt right stuff.
 

Killthee

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This is a weird correlation between altright and discord no?
Not really, it was used to organize the Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville and they rightly got called out for it by the mainstream media for it at the time.

www.buzzfeednews.com

A Thriving Chat Startup Braces For The Alt-Right

Discord is a buzzed-about group chat platform for gamers. And like its predecessors Twitter and Reddit, it's become a hangout for trolls and white nationalists.

www.nytimes.com

This Was the Alt-Right’s Favorite Chat App. Then Came Charlottesville. (Published 2017)

Discord, a chat app for video game players, became a digital home for the alt-right before deciding to ban their chat rooms on Monday.

unicornriot.ninja

DATA RELEASE: Discord Logs Expose Regional Networks Planning for #UniteTheRight - UNICORN RIOT

Charlottesville, VA – More than two weeks after the white supremacist Unite The Right event ended in a vehicular mass attack that left a woman murdered and nineteen people injured, many details from August 12 remain unresolved. Unicorn Riot obtained access to thousands of internet messages...

slate.com

White Supremacists Still Have a Safe Space Online. It’s Discord.

Far-right hate groups used the platform to organize their deadly rally in Charlottesville in 2017. A year later, Discord is still their social lounge.

www.theverge.com

Discord shuts down more neo-Nazi, alt-right servers

Since Discord is a private chat platform, its approach toward monitoring hate speech has been different and arguably more lax than more public-facing platforms like Facebook or Twitter.

Don't think they were getting that much media coverage outside of gaming circles until that story blew up so makes sense that people outside our bubble saw it as an alt right platform.
 

UltraMav

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I didn't start using Discord until like '17-18, but I had never heard about it being a place for the alt-right before that.
 

PBalfredo

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I hadn't realized they made an effort to clean it up, but that's good to hear.
 

Killthee

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Interesting...i feel so out of the loop when it comes to discord. Its probably because I don't really play online anymore?
It's evolved beyond just gaming; like the article mentions, it's in a unique spot to cater to niche groups without drowning it's user content in ads and algorithms like other platforms do. Its discovery tools for public servers are pretty lacking though, can't even access them outside the desktop app, but there's servers for everything now from gaming to tv communities to music to YouTube channels. Anything that could have a subreddit/forum/facebook group to it likely also has a discord, if you belong to any such community and want to be more connected to it maybe ask around to see if they have a discord.
 

RockmanBN

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My group used it alot during a lot of projects last year in university. Wasn't even hard to teach this foreign lady studying from Arkansas to use it. Don't recall it being Alt-right ridden.