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For those that are blocked by Kamiya on Twitter, are you still buying Platinum/Kamiya games? If so, why?
- Thread starter WarpSpeedMolasses
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User banned (permanent): dismissing bigotry, inflammatory false equivelance
tbh the whole thread is very interesting.
Most users here are obviously ready to seperate the product from the developer.
But on the other hand the opinions from the Kingdom Come Deliverance developer could not be seperated from the product.
So if a developer is just an asshole to everyone it's okay - the product is still good. But if he has political opinions which are at least controversial it's not okay? That's the line crossed?
Obviously personal choice and everyone sets the "not further" sign at another position.
I'm pretty simple to this things: I don't care for the developer, I care for the product. If the game is good, I play it.
Most users here are obviously ready to seperate the product from the developer.
But on the other hand the opinions from the Kingdom Come Deliverance developer could not be seperated from the product.
So if a developer is just an asshole to everyone it's okay - the product is still good. But if he has political opinions which are at least controversial it's not okay? That's the line crossed?
Obviously personal choice and everyone sets the "not further" sign at another position.
I'm pretty simple to this things: I don't care for the developer, I care for the product. If the game is good, I play it.
Comparing Kamiya being crass on Twitter to Vávra's ideological leanings is... a pretty big reach.
I was blocked as well, never had contact with him as far as I know. To be honest as a representative of his games its a childish and unprofessional way to act. I still enjoy Platinum-made games though, why not? Also playing through Okami on the Switch right now. Wanted to send him a pic of the physical Switch-edition of Okami I imported just cause I love the game, but couldn't do that... oh well.
As for the man himself, as far as I know him (that is, from stuff like Twitter - I don't know him in real life of course) he's a manchild. I don't know him at all of course, this is just the vibe he's giving me thanks to his social media use. Blocking everyone and everything just because, feels like creating your own echo chamber. Life is full of different opinions, why not be a bit more open about them? Again, I don't know him in real life and I like his games, but only based on his behaviour in Twitter, I don't have a high opinion on him. I don't care that I myself am blocked, I just find the way he acts on the platform eyeroll inducing. Comes off as holier-than-thou.
Edit: I see the discussion has become a bit broader. My two cents: I also play games from publishers or developers who's ethics I don't agree with. At least, there's a chance I'll play them. I don't know all the ethics behind all the companies and I don't really care. I'm playing the game for the game. Same thing with movies, music.
As for the man himself, as far as I know him (that is, from stuff like Twitter - I don't know him in real life of course) he's a manchild. I don't know him at all of course, this is just the vibe he's giving me thanks to his social media use. Blocking everyone and everything just because, feels like creating your own echo chamber. Life is full of different opinions, why not be a bit more open about them? Again, I don't know him in real life and I like his games, but only based on his behaviour in Twitter, I don't have a high opinion on him. I don't care that I myself am blocked, I just find the way he acts on the platform eyeroll inducing. Comes off as holier-than-thou.
Edit: I see the discussion has become a bit broader. My two cents: I also play games from publishers or developers who's ethics I don't agree with. At least, there's a chance I'll play them. I don't know all the ethics behind all the companies and I don't really care. I'm playing the game for the game. Same thing with movies, music.
Why? 'cause racism? That's exactly what I mean - as soon as racism or sexism is involved it's an absolutely no-no-no - the game can't be bought, because this would support racism. At least so it seems.
In this case it's just supporting an asshole - so it's okay? At least kamiya is an asshole to everyone in the same way? Like Phil Fish?
Vávra's a racist gamer gater. He can fuck off.
Yall cant seriously be equating that with a silly "I block almost everyone" persona.
Yes, cause racism.
This isn't really hard to grasp. Kamiya treating Twitter as the joke platform that it is isn't even remotely comparable to racism.
Are you seriously trying to compare a joke Twitter account to actual racism?
He's not an actual asshole. The dev you're comparing him to is an actual racist.
Social media is essentially a cancer to society. Its lack of proper moderation has led to the organization of real life genocidal sprees against several minorities in multiple countries. It provides global platforms for those with the most hateful rhetoric, and the proprietors of the sites care more about linking like-minded hate mongers than they do about policing actually detrimental and toxic content. It's literally become a breeding ground for radicalizing extremism and domestic terrorism.
Twitter, specifically, is rife with the worst personas. It has been the slowest to react to the reality of the global consequences of social media, though none of the major platforms have grown a spine strong enough to address their issues competently. Illegitimate bots are routinely purchased and employed to affect opinions on as wide of a donation as possible.
Social. Media. Is. Not. Like. Real. Life.
Blocking people on social media is the first step everyone should take when they wish to curate their feed.
You gotta be pretty dense to think Kamiya's dumb shit on twitter goes anywhere near cozying up to racists.
People brush it off, because at the end of the day it's just him being a weirdo. Not a bigot, not someone doing reprehensible shit.
Use your damn brain.
Why would you care if you are blocked by Kamiya on Twitter? I really don't understand how people get bothered by this. I'm a fan of Arsenal football club, if I got banned for whatever reason, I'd just move on the next social media platform or read news as it's broken on sites.
Why would him blocking you on Twitter have any impact on whether you buy the games or not? Platinum is not made up solely of just Kamiya.
Why would him blocking you on Twitter have any impact on whether you buy the games or not? Platinum is not made up solely of just Kamiya.
"Political opinions which are at least controversial" is reductive.
If Kamiya started ranting about how Mexican refugees don't belong in the US or how "terrorism is not a religion", then his opinions would stretch outside the "it's merely political" realm. They would be outright dehumanizing. Human rights aren't political, despite what politicians want to spout.
Being a little irritable around others is nothing in comparison.
lol he blocked me a year or so ago and i dont think its anything to take personally. Ill still buy anything he makes
Kamiya will stop breathing if he doesn't block at least one person each day.
Oh my god lol.
WarpSpeedMolasses If you realized this is just his shtick on an online platform and that he didn't personally insult you by doing it, it would probably be for the better. You probably asked him about Okami 2 or something.
That's a great idea. You should tweet it to him.
Oh my god lol.
WarpSpeedMolasses If you realized this is just his shtick on an online platform and that he didn't personally insult you by doing it, it would probably be for the better. You probably asked him about Okami 2 or something.
You're making this about you or individuals.
You are not important, he doesn't know you exist, you checked something on his block checklist and he blocked you. It's not personal.
I got two questions answered by him and was blocked on the third. I asked him about shmups I think and got blocked.
This was clearly a huge affront to my pride and I forever swore off Platinum games. How dare he do such a thing....block me on social media for asking about shmups. The nerve of him. Truly truly abhorrent.
This was clearly a huge affront to my pride and I forever swore off Platinum games. How dare he do such a thing....block me on social media for asking about shmups. The nerve of him. Truly truly abhorrent.
this thread went from just harmlessly stupid to downright shameful very quickly
I don't follow him and have literally never interacted with him at all, but have just now realized that somehow I'm blocked. Cool.
Honestly, I love it. We need more weird asshole artistic devs making out-there stuff and not trying to have some PR-friendly facade crafted to maintain the status quo for business purposes.
Honestly, I love it. We need more weird asshole artistic devs making out-there stuff and not trying to have some PR-friendly facade crafted to maintain the status quo for business purposes.
Social media is the worse thing to have happened on the internet. People's feelings get hurt too easily and they feel entitled.
If I was banned by him, I would still buy Platinum games.
If I was banned by him, I would still buy Platinum games.
How brave. Do you not see the difference between what you just said?
Racism hurts more people than "an asshole" so I don't think it's crazy to respond more harshly to racism and other poisonous ideologies than to rudeness to strangers on a dumb social media platform.
The assumption here people would care if that was any other dev, most wouldn't. Maybe if it someone people already didnt like.
It's just a weird thing to ask others to be mad about.
I was just going through his Twitter posts and the vast majority are in Japanese. His most recent English tweets were "ur mom gay" when he blocked some fool. Lol. This guy.
Maybe his English is not as good as I thought
Thanks for asking these important questions, I never considered how strange it is that racism and having an abrasive Twitter presence are treated differently
How bout you say what those political opinions are to highlight your point better.
Hey folks, I really think I want to sign up for game pass ultimate but Phil Spencer has REPEATEDLY denied my requests for his home phone number. I keep getting public passes to E3 and talking to him in the hallway but he keeps shunning me!
It's his private account. He can block whoever he wants. He doesn't wanna see any "englisch" tweets towards him. And that's okay.
Chill and move on.
I've been able to get like 3 serious replies from the dude without a block because I ask questions that don't obviously come off as needy or abrasive, also something he probably has heard a billion times lol.
Kamiya is just fucking around on twitter. It's obvious that he's a nice guy in public. He can block whoever he wants on a private account. It doesn't matter.
Don't be sensitive.
Don't be sensitive.
I'll be sad if a creator blocked me on any social media account.
But I would continue to buy its games it they were worthy.
Being Kamiya (and more import someone with a large list of blocked people) don't think twice about that. He probably have done it because sometimes is difficult to separate toxic people from real criticism.
He also has a life and it's not easy being in the spot.
But I would continue to buy its games it they were worthy.
Being Kamiya (and more import someone with a large list of blocked people) don't think twice about that. He probably have done it because sometimes is difficult to separate toxic people from real criticism.
He also has a life and it's not easy being in the spot.
Well, yeah?
What is it that you struggle to grasp? Where is the dissonance there?
Kamiya doesn't owe me shit.
Twitter block button is the best thing ever created and I fully support Kamiya's use of it.
I myself have thousands upon thousands of people blocked, some for the slightest dumb shit said, hell I have an firefox extension that blocks people in the thousands for me.
I myself have thousands upon thousands of people blocked, some for the slightest dumb shit said, hell I have an firefox extension that blocks people in the thousands for me.
Yes, blocking users on social media because they bother you and even sometimes harass you is different from being a nasty racist or sexist or fascist. Is that so difficult to grasp?
I was blocked by Chapo Trap House's twitter because I jokingly suggested they're becoming just another resistance grifter account lol
still listen twice every week, grey wolf gang 🔮🔮🔮
still listen twice every week, grey wolf gang 🔮🔮🔮
He used to be nicer, answering everyone's questions
You can look here: https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=from:PG_kamiya since:2011-07-01 until:2012-07-03&src=typd
I believe was around the Bayonetta 2 exclusivity announcement that things started to go south.
You can look here: https://twitter.com/search?l=&q=from:PG_kamiya since:2011-07-01 until:2012-07-03&src=typd
I believe was around the Bayonetta 2 exclusivity announcement that things started to go south.
And his header...
That's the funniest thing I've seen this week.
Equating being rude to idiots on Twitter to being a full on racist is gross af. Grow up.
This is a phenomenal thing to read, thank you, I needed a laugh today.
Yes, supporting a bigot is in fact worse than supporting somebody who isn't a bigot.
I think this is important. Kamiya is clear about why he blocks people. I don't even think he's running it as an entirely joke account, he just leans into it sometimes.
The onus is always on the person initiating the contact. Have a question for Kamiya? Do your research first and see if he's answered it already, or if he's said he's not taking questions on the subject.
Western gamers into his games are Extremely Online and he's just not putting up with shit or time wasting from them. Clear cut to me. Op must have asked a dumb question
It's clear that the (two) people arguing that Kamiya's attitude on twitter is as bad as the racism from the Kingdom Come Deliverance dev are not actually arguing in good faith and are only looking for a way to defend racism in this forum without getting banned.
Kamiya is a giant asshole. He hasn't put out a decent game in a decade though, so it's easy to not give him any business.
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