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Senator Toadstool

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
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Oct 25, 2017
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You can see their certificates here

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2020 Electoral College Results

President Joseph R. Biden Jr. [D] Main Opponent Donald J. Trump [R] Electoral Vote Winner: 306 Main Opponent: 232 Total/Majority: 538/270 Vice President Kamala D. Harris [D] V.P. Opponent: Michael R.

Got this thread from my former Election Law Professor (who was awesome)







 

Orayn

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm sure President Norms Disrespecter will respect the laws and norms surrounding this.
 

BlackLagoon

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Oct 25, 2017
2,757
What's he going to do, exactly?
If Pence or the GOP senators don't participate in the count, then Biden hasn't actually been formally approved as the next president. Trump's term still ends on the 20th, but if you then have the attorney general issue an opinion that the current line of succesion is unconstitutional because the speaker and president pro temp are not "officers of the US"... How does president Pompeo sound?
 

Poltergust

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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If Pence or the GOP senators don't participate in the count, then Biden hasn't actually been formally approved as the next president. Trump's term still ends on the 20th, but if you then have the attorney general issue an opinion that the current line of succesion is unconstitutional because the speaker and president pro temp are not "officers of the US"... How does president Pompeo sound?
Whatever hack Trump appoints as the new AG cannot override the 25th Amendment. It will be President Pelosi at the worst possible case.
 

Laurentius

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Apr 18, 2018
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If Pence or the GOP senators don't participate in the count, then Biden hasn't actually been formally approved as the next president. Trump's term still ends on the 20th, but if you then have the attorney general issue an opinion that the current line of succesion is unconstitutional because the speaker and president pro temp are not "officers of the US"... How does president Pompeo sound?

That's not even close to a power that the AG has... The only two options on the 20th are President Biden or President Pelosi. And it's going to be President Biden.
 

Avitus

Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,898
I'm sure President Norms Disrespecter will respect the laws and norms surrounding this.

This process isn't governed by norms. Most of it is hard coded in either the constitution or congressional law. Trump can't circumvent the EC. He is no longer president on January 20th.
 

BlackLagoon

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Oct 25, 2017
2,757
Whatever hack Trump appoints as the new AG cannot override the 25th Amendment. It will be President Pelosi at the worst possible case.
The line of succession is set by a regular law. And he would be arguing that that law violates Article 2 of the constitution, interpeting it as requiring the acting president to be a cabinet member. And until the courts say otherwise, the Department of Justice, and thus all of law enforcement, would be bound by that.
 

falcondoc

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Oct 29, 2017
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If Pence or the GOP senators don't participate in the count, then Biden hasn't actually been formally approved as the next president. Trump's term still ends on the 20th, but if you then have the attorney general issue an opinion that the current line of succesion is unconstitutional because the speaker and president pro temp are not "officers of the US"... How does president Pompeo sound?

the hell are you talking about?
 

Poltergust

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Oct 25, 2017
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The line of succession is set by a regular law. And he would be arguing that that law violates Article 2 of the constitution, interpeting it as requiring the acting president to be a cabinet member. And until the courts say otherwise, the Department of Justice, and thus all of law enforcement, would be bound by that.
No, they'd be bound by the law as written unless the Supreme Court grants them the ability to do so while they review the case.

You can't just say "I'll do the opposite of what the law says" unless you are explicitly given the permission of the courts first.
 

Greg NYC3

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Oct 26, 2017
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The line of succession is set by a regular law. And he would be arguing that that law violates Article 2 of the constitution, interpeting it as requiring the acting president to be a cabinet member. And until the courts say otherwise, the Department of Justice, and thus all of law enforcement, would be bound by that.
The only problem with this fan fiction is that Pompeo's term ends with Trump's on the 20th. No member of Trump's admin, including the AG, will be in a position to say anything about who will be president beginning at noon that day. So unless we're doing civil war 2 Trump and co. are welcome to fuck around and find out.
 

Version 3.0

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Oct 27, 2017
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The line of succession is set by a regular law. And he would be arguing that that law violates Article 2 of the constitution, interpeting it as requiring the acting president to be a cabinet member. And until the courts say otherwise, the Department of Justice, and thus all of law enforcement, would be bound by that.

The courts have had every chance to hand Trump the presidency, if they were so inclined. Including the Supreme Court. They were not so inclined, not even enough to hear his stupid arguments. No obscure legal argument like this one is going to change the outcome.

If the GOP can get almost every Senator to line up to kiss Trump's ass, they can end up with President Pelosi instead of Biden. But without McConnell on board, that's even less likely than the courts deciding to toss out an election for no reason.

Biden will be president-elect, yet again (rolls eyes), on Jan 6th.
 

Dis

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Oct 27, 2017
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The line of succession is set by a regular law. And he would be arguing that that law violates Article 2 of the constitution, interpeting it as requiring the acting president to be a cabinet member. And until the courts say otherwise, the Department of Justice, and thus all of law enforcement, would be bound by that.

Afaik not being american, rules set in stone by law are laws to be followed unless the scotus says otherwise, and this is something that no scotus will overturn even if we went down you're crazy rabbit whole so maybe stop spreading bs FUD about this shit and just move on? Because you sound like you just spent 4 days in a YouTube conspiracy video loop.
 

Avitus

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Oct 25, 2017
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Afaik not being american, rules set in stone by law are laws to be followed unless the scotus says otherwise, and this is something that no scotus will overturn even if we went down you're crazy rabbit whole so maybe stop spreading bs FUD about this shit and just move on? Because you sound like you just spent 4 days in a YouTube conspiracy video loop.

Congress is the first among equals

Congress has the power to determine the line of succession

Even if the Executive wanted to challenge it, they'd need to go to SCOTUS which would take years and be pointless if they even got a favorable ruling (they wouldn't, the constitution is clear on this).
 

Dis

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Oct 27, 2017
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Congress is the first among equals

Congress has the power to determine the line of succession

Even if the Executive wanted to challenge it, they'd need to go to SCOTUS which would take years and be pointless if they even got a favorable ruling (they wouldn't, the constitution is clear on this).

That was my point, it would take a scotus to change this that wants to touch it which none would, it's all fan fiction and bs these days and people need to get a grip, trump is in no way being president after jan 20th
 

jph139

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Oct 25, 2017
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The thing people trying to talk worried people down about don't understand is: there is no law, norm, or process that will resolve this fear. Because there's no way to resolve the fear of a coup, because there is always the risk of a coup. Laws are made up. Government is made up. Structures are made-up. There is no safeguard, because ultimately the only thing keeping a person in charge of a country is the consent of the governed and/or the backing of the military.

The reason Trump won't be president next year is because no one, other than Trump, wants him to be. Not really. There's no apparatus to support a coup. The fact the Republicans are still, even theoretically, supporting him is because they're risk-averse (or see it as an opportunity to grift/maintain status); overthrowing an election that isn't being contested by most Americans is EXTREMELY risky.
 
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Senator Toadstool

Senator Toadstool

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
16,651
If Pence or the GOP senators don't participate in the count, then Biden hasn't actually been formally approved as the next president. Trump's term still ends on the 20th, but if you then have the attorney general issue an opinion that the current line of succesion is unconstitutional because the speaker and president pro temp are not "officers of the US"... How does president Pompeo sound?
That's not how it works.
The President of the Senate shall, in the presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the certificates and the votes shall then be counted

that's not an optional word. the court would rule

I think it was a thought experiment by one of the guys at Lawfare on what would be the maximum level of Trump admin fuckery. Seems a lot of people here disagree, so I will defer to their judgment.
lmao, a bunch of natsec lawyer who defended evil shit who now positioned themselves as legal resistance experts
 

KtotheRoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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I'm not fretting. I'm just fucking annoyed that this asshole hasn't gone away yet.
 

Hogendaz85

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Dec 6, 2017
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CNN posting shit like this terrifies me as a chronic worrier

www.cnn.com

House conservatives strategize with Trump and Pence in push to challenge Biden's win

Alabama GOP Rep. Mo Brooks and fellow House conservatives met privately on Monday with President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence as the lawmakers prepared to mount a long-shot bid in January to overturn the Electoral College results that made Joe Biden the official winner of the election.
 

Brinbe

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
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Yep faithless electors was his real last hope. Its been all over for him. He just needs to reach the acceptance stage, hopefully when he's locked down at rikers
 

Schwarzbier

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Nov 14, 2017
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CNN posting shit like this terrifies me as a chronic worrier

www.cnn.com

House conservatives strategize with Trump and Pence in push to challenge Biden's win

Alabama GOP Rep. Mo Brooks and fellow House conservatives met privately on Monday with President Donald Trump and Vice President Mike Pence as the lawmakers prepared to mount a long-shot bid in January to overturn the Electoral College results that made Joe Biden the official winner of the election.

Gotta get them ratings!
 

Introvert

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Nov 5, 2017
332
It would be funny if he refused to leave the White House, but Biden still moves in, and any time Biden is on camera doing something, like a press conference , you see an uncaring Trump in the background doing something completely mundane like stirring a cup of coffee, examining a painting, or straighten out a doily on a table.
 

Lilyth

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Sep 13, 2019
1,175
Will we have doomposts all the way through January and beyond? Donny will not be president next year, or ever again. The fact that insane internet warriors are coming up with plots for how he could still do it should not be of any concern to us.