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ScoutDave

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Imagine thinking spurs are title challengers

Well we did just steal points from the best team...so technically we are still in it.


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TheHyde

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I was a huge proponent for VAR for years. Now after having watched Bundesliga for full season and the start of the Premier League, as well as few tournaments...I was fucking wrong. Even if decisions are technically correct now most of the time it has sort of killed the game for me.
 

SMD

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I was a huge proponent for VAR for years. Now after having watched Bundesliga for full season and the start of the Premier League, as well as few tournaments...I was fucking wrong. Even if decisions are technically correct now most of the time it has sort of killed the game for me.

what has it killed
 

Hazzuh

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Oct 28, 2017
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Lmao I ragequit when I saw City 3-2 and stropped watching the match. Can't believe the goal was overturned.
 

DjRalford

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Man there is a lot of salt on twitter about the goal, end of the day the ball hit his arm and gave the attacking team an unfair advantage, if it hadn't it would have ended up at a spurs defender.

They'd soon be shouting for VAR if that was a goal that went against them.
 
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I think the issue for most are these big VAR calls happen with the game on the line and it determines the outcome. If this was called just before or after HT, the outcries wouldn't be as severe.
 

Donos

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I was a huge proponent for VAR for years. Now after having watched Bundesliga for full season and the start of the Premier League, as well as few tournaments...I was fucking wrong. Even if decisions are technically correct now most of the time it has sort of killed the game for me.
I understand how many think that VAR kills the "flow" or vibe of the game but i for one are glad that ridiculous shit like the phantom goal Leverkusen vs Hoffenheim (Kiesling) can't happen anymore just because the ref said it was a goal (though hawk-eye tec would have already denied that goal). Like wtf.
There are still disputable situations even with a VAR but overall, i'm still for it.

Even if it only leads to some notorious divers thinking twice about falling down like the got hit by a sniper, knowing that it's going to be reviewed.
 

jelly

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Ha, I stopping following when it went 3-2. Nice surprise. Catch the end of the game later and see how VAR did.
 

Steve Winwood

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I was a huge proponent for VAR for years. Now after having watched Bundesliga for full season and the start of the Premier League, as well as few tournaments...I was fucking wrong. Even if decisions are technically correct now most of the time it has sort of killed the game for me.
yeah, I want goalscorers to be able to celebrate without having that in the back of their mind. it kills those moments imo.
 

Rental

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That hand rule is getting changed. Just wait for all the disallowed goals to come and the outrage from it. This isn't a VAR or Man City thing. It's going to happen pretty frequently and with other teams. Incidental contact with the hand is crazy to disallow a goal for. I don't see how you can have that but then sit and review a ball off a defenders hand as a possible penalty. It should then be 100% a penalty if it hits a defenders hand in the box. I don't think that's the way it's working though it it? Doesn't that seem to favor defense in this situation?

I'm not saying VAR is bad or not needed, VAR just went by the rule but the new rule which seems stupid overall. It should fall back on a refs decision after checking it and determining if incidental or not.

Between this and how precise if an arm or head is offsides this is a defenders dream. It's shifting full advantage to defenses.
 
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Fun fact: we're on Page 25 and there is already 4 pages worth of posts mentioning 'VAR'
 

Garjon

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That hand rule is getting changed. Just wait for all the disallowed goals to come and the outrage from it. This isn't a VAR or Man City thing. It's going to happen pretty frequently and with other teams. Incidental contact with the hand is crazy to disallow a goal for. I don't see how you can have that but then sit and review a ball off a defenders hand as a possible penalty. It should then be 100% a penalty if it hits a defenders hand. I don't think that's the way it's working though it it? Doesn't that seem to favor defense in this situation?

I'm not saying VAR is bad or not needed, VAR just went by the rule but the new rule which seems stupid overall. It should fall back on a refs decision after checking it and determining if incidental or not.

Between this and how precise if an arm or head is offsides this is a defenders dream. It's shifting full advantage to defenses.
Even under the old rules, the Man City goal would have still been ruled out for handball. The fact is that it happened to quickly that it would be nearly impossible for a human eye to see it clearly and make a proper decision, which is where VAR comes in. This decision in particular is one of the best reasons for VAR to exist. Penalties were awarded for very similar handball incidents in the last world cup.
 

toythatkills

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Managers spent all of last season moaning about referees getting important decisions wrong, now they're annoyed that all the important decisions are correct. Post-match interviews are hilarious this year. Dyche had no idea what to blame his loss on at all now that he couldn't blame a phantom referee bias.
 

Firemind

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Managers spent all of last season moaning about referees getting important decisions wrong, now they're annoyed that all the important decisions are correct. Post-match interviews are hilarious this year. Dyche had no idea what to blame his loss on at all now that he couldn't blame a phantom referee bias.
LOL if you think they won't blame the VAR eventually. All in due time.
 

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I think VAR is a good thing but it's got a long way to go in its implementation. It's still far too subjective and inconsistent to use the type of precision and feels awfully nit picky.

Regardless of VAR City only had themselves to blame for drawing that match same with not getting the result they needed in the CL game.
 

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I agree with Gary Neville, City should be annoyed about the penalty appeal at 11 mins, not the overturned goal, and not even Oliver insisting no penalty, He was saying if VAR officials are not willing to send the ref to the side of the pitch to have another look, then overrule his decision


Also why is Klopp changing defence to such a high line this season, usually Arsenal is a 3 points at Anfield, but this high line looks susceptible. I can only presume he is trusting VAR
 

Podge293

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I agree with Gary Neville, City should be annoyed about the penalty appeal at 11 mins, not the overturned goal, and not even Oliver insisting no penalty, He was saying if VAR officials are not willing to send the ref to the side of the pitch to have another look, then overrule his decision


Also why is Klopp changing defence to such a high line this season, usually Arsenal is a 3 points at Anfield, but this high line looks susceptible. I can only presume he is trusting VAR

Nobody can overrule the ref on the pitch.

Even if VAR says its a stonewall peno/free/goal the ref on the pitch still makes the call. They are free to ignore
 

Lashley

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The new handball rule is pretty stupid tbh, and VAR is pointless when it's used so inconsistently.
 
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