Fucking disgusting. Michael Jackson stans are truly the scum of this planet.
That fact that he didn't go down after the accusations first came out says everything you need to know.
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Footage of Michael Jackson ring shopping with a young boy resurfaces
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Fucking disgusting. Michael Jackson stans are truly the scum of this planet.
That fact that he didn't go down after the accusations first came out says everything you need to know.
Bro, earlier in this topic someone said:
regarding why Wade didn't come forward as a kid. Same postered made it very clear, multiple times, that he considered the victims liars and fruads.
We've entered the twilight zone.
User Banned (2 weeks): Bad faith argumentation: claiming to have no opinion but then repeatedly providing justifications for Jackson's behavior; inflammatory false equivalence and obfuscation regarding child grooming allegations
No, like I said I have no opinion on this matter. I can't prove/don't know which of MJ or Safechuck is lying or telling the truth. I can see either situation being true.
I don't see an issue with befriending kids or hanging out with them, again that's perfectly normal. The "groom them" is a point of contention that the MJ camp denies, so I don't know why you're stating it as a matter of objective fact. Sleeping with kids is insanely weird, but then MJ was a very, very weird person. Don't think anyone would dispute that. As others kids have stated they slept with MJ and state he never sexually abused them, so it's clear that MJ sleeping with kids it's not a slam dunk for him abusing them.
I never said people shouldn't assume the worse in MJ, I think that's a plausible opinion. I also think thinking that MJ was just a very very strange guy that didn't abuse kids is also a plausible opinion.
My point about being friends with kids was irrespective of this MJ case, I outright stated that in my statement incase you missed it.
If people said the shit being said here about Cosby or R Kelly or Kavanaugh's accusers, they'd be nuked. At least be consistent.
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It's pretty fucked up that nothing is being done about the MJ defense force. I'm starting to believe the mods are in that camp.
Stop this. Fucking stop. Sleeping alone with strange children is psychological abuse, especially accompanied with the grooming process he used to get there.
This thread is disgusting.
I feel like this thread is a good opportunity to educate others on the kind of person MJ was, but it's getting lost because people seem to be unable or unwilling to accept alternate perspectives.
Also I think the name calling and strong language is uncalled for, unnecessary, and not helpful for proving one's point.
Also I think the name calling and strong language is uncalled for, unnecessary, and not helpful for proving one's point.
This is some disingenous bullshit. You say you have no opinion in the matter, yet all you post is outlandish justifications for why Safechuck could be lying. Look at all your posts ITT, you have not yet once questioned why MJ's defense would lie in this situation.
You're not nearly as clever as you think you are.
No they fucking don't. They readily corroborate most of MJ's action. They just see it as innocous. They do not "deny" the actions at all.
People like you are disgusting. You love to use these kids as evidence, but never quote them. So let's do that, here's a quote from a kid that MJ's camp loves to promote around about how he never sexually abused him, who isn't suing MJ, who wasn't in the documentary, on this completely non-sexual sleep over:
https://www.mirror.co.uk/3am/celebrity-news/michael-jackson-called-rubba-rubba-13912812
"When I slept in his bed, we wore just boxer shorts and he would put his arm around me and push his body to my body, like you would with a girlfriend.
"He would put our bodies on each other and kiss me on the head and cheek. I woke many times and his hands were on me... one hand on the top of my legs and one hand around me.
"When he was high on his medication he would get closer in the same way as when a man gets drunk. It disinhibited him.
"He'd pull me closer and be grabbing me more and kissing me more on the head and on the cheek, He would also stroke my hair.
"He never carried out an explicit sexual act on me, but there were sexual intentions.
"He must have been getting something out of it sexually. I feel now like he was testing me, seeing how far he could go."
this is the VERY person you just fucking brought up. This is the evidence you yourself use to justify that MJ isn't a pedophile.
What's it like just parroting the same thing MJ defenders have been saying for years?
It's too bad you can't discuss this in the official thread. That one is closed for some reason. *shrugs*
I wasn't sure if there was an OT, but thanks for letting me know its closed. I guess defenders got it shut down.
it was shut down, because of the DMC5 thread on the gaming side. They shut down all the topics simultaneously.
Having a discussion about video games is at time almost impossible on here so I'm not sure why I keep forgetting that having discussions about other topics is many many levels beyond impossible.
If any of you seriously want to have a rational and civil discussion then I'm more than happy to have one. But I'm not going to have what's already starting to descend into a mindnumbing arguments strewn with petty insults, stupid accusations, completely mischaracterizations of points and just outright strawmen. If that's what you want to have then well done you've succeed in shutting down another discussion just like you wanted to from the start.
This thread is fucking wild.... Some shameful opinions and hero defence forcing in here.
Sorry your favourite singer was a pedo...
Stop shaming victims please....
Sorry your favourite singer was a pedo...
Stop shaming victims please....
If only we were as rational is you, mr "There is nothing wrong with a grown man sleeping with children, because that grown man is literally peter pan"
You claim to want a rational discussion white simultaneously defending a grown man sleeping with strange children.
If you can't see that grooming and sleeping with children is abuse, don't get hurt when people call your posts disgusting.
Because that's what they are.
Yeah, I'm really not sure why that thread was perma-closed. The documentary had only been out for a week, and there's still a lot of people only getting around to watching it just now.
If a bunch of kids played around a wasp's nest and only a couple got stung, those other kids would consider themselves lucky would they not? Doesn't change that fact that a couple of them did get stung, though.
If honestly do want to have a good faith and civil discussion then can you quote to me the exact comments I made that said it was Ok from MJ to "groom kids" and that it was ok for him to sleep with them.
I can throw strawman arguments back at you, but notice how I'm genuinely interested in having a good faith discussion so I don't. Unlike you.
The discussion you're attempting to have is one where you try to justify a grown man sleeping naked in a bed with children.
I think I'm perfectly ok with you not having the ability to discuss that.
Yeah, when I saw that thread was closed, I thought it was only being closed temporarily to review reported posts or something, which would have been completely understandable and I know the mods need that time every now and then. Very disappointed that it's just permanently locked.
He groomed them, fact. He befriended them and built a fucking theme park to isolate them and admitted to sleeping with them alone. This is before we even get to the accusations. All of this was out in the open.
Second bolded. You just claimed that sleeping, alone, with strange children isn't clear abuse as long as there was no sexual abuse. This is wrong.
I didn't strawman shit, these are your own words.
Mod Post - On metacommentary
Official Staff Communication
The other threads were locked because they weren't being used to discuss the documentary or Michael Jackson so much as they were being used to take shots at members across threads or try to rile up trouble for the staff. We are looking at rebooting the main thread. We have been working tirelessly under high stress to moderate these topics and have actioned many posters who violated our policies.
If this thread proves unmanageable it'll go the same way as the others, and that serves no one in the end. Get back on topic.
If this thread proves unmanageable it'll go the same way as the others, and that serves no one in the end. Get back on topic.
The comments on that video are fucking disgusting, holy shit. All these people are fucking suckers, man.
Well, that just isn't true. That documentary thread is 3500 posts long, and the vast majority of it was about the documentary on hand. It does suck that people were taking potshots at other people in the end, but talking about the way that our society allows abuse to run rampant, especially when it's in the limelight for so long like Michael Jackson is an incredibly important topic. It's vital that people understand and see the lengths that people will go to defend abuse, look the other way, or put the blame on the victims so that we can all grow and do better as a society. That isn't going to happen by threatening to shut down every topic when it starts to get slightly derailed. We can't just "get back on topic" because those topics are shut down completely and we lose our chance to discuss these topics with the care and focus that they need when this happens.
This documentary is still new, it's a little over a week old, and we just can't have a thread on it to discuss it while the rest of the world and media is because of a couple of people? That's backwards and doesn't make any sense.
We're working on rebooting the documentary topic. Discussion will be able to continue.
I haven't watched the documentary myself but I've read about what it contains so I'll just say this. I've been a massive fan of his music my whole life, have all his CD's/dvds and always request his music to come on whenever I get the chance.
But.... I can't in good conscience actively listen to him anymore or support him in any way. I don't know how people are continuing to support him when it seems by all accounts he groomed and very likely molested these kids. I understand having idols or whatever but fuck, I can't even fathom being ok with someone who did these things...
But.... I can't in good conscience actively listen to him anymore or support him in any way. I don't know how people are continuing to support him when it seems by all accounts he groomed and very likely molested these kids. I understand having idols or whatever but fuck, I can't even fathom being ok with someone who did these things...
More people will come forward both abused men and people surrounding him that didn't speak up at it's time. He will be remembered as the monster he was and not for his music.
Agree with the whole post, but this is particularly true of the issue. With the original thread permanently locked we lose out on all the discussion as a reference from release until time of lock. You can't even reply/quote posts to reference as the option isn't there when locked.
The thread was massively important and also a huge boost to any potential victims of child abuse to see the ongoing rebuke against disgusting and/or wholly ignorant posts.
The main thread should have been where supplementary articles like this video, and that the UK have removed all the 'MJ innocent' bus ads. So that it can be discussed with the relevant context to hand and mind.
User banned (permanent): History of trolling sensitive threads
"Working on rebooting"
Man, it's painful to roll your eyes that hard.
The documentary thread has been rebooted. Please take note of the guidelines in the OP.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/le...rrently-94-on-rotten-tomatoes-read-op.105393/
https://www.resetera.com/threads/le...rrently-94-on-rotten-tomatoes-read-op.105393/
This is a good thing. I was super confused as to why the thread got shut down, even after the explanation.
Thank you, but please try to do so where all existing discussion isn't wiped clean. There's a lot of historic posts in it that are useful to reference and a lot of rebuttals made to common ignorance and rebuked points.
It would be a shame to lose that context in the ongoing discussion.
5 hours actually, there is a 1 hour long epilogue called "After Neverland" hosted by Oprah where she interviews the two people and the director of the film, giving a slightly more recent update. It lets them, for example, talk about how they've dealt with the backlash and even directly take on some of the MJ Defender's talking points.
More than anything else, that epilogue is most damning because you see James Safechuck, who was the more emotional of the two, without any editing at all, and the guy looks like a complete wreck on stage. It's really heart breaking.
Ah, ouch lol.
Thank you for opening a focal topic up all the same. It's needed for such an important issue and release.
I'm never gonna listen to his music again. Didn't know most of these things and it's pretty clear to me now that he was a monster. A well hidden monster who created interesting little stories about his past to cover up his crimes.
To those who are still skeptical, i hope you approach all matters in your life with that amount of skepticism, because if you don't, you are the kind of people i wouldn't help get up.
To those who are still skeptical, i hope you approach all matters in your life with that amount of skepticism, because if you don't, you are the kind of people i wouldn't help get up.