Florida teen arrested for trying to RKO his principal

[excelsiorlef]

Hopefully the he gets a record so when he has trouble gaining employment because of background checks we can all say serves you right!

He is absolutely a moron, but schools are supposed deal with minor shit like this internally for a reason. The Principal being so adamant about criminal charges is some peak school to prison pipeline shit that is a serious problem and will have long lasting effects that the initial incident doesn't warrant.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

Weren't you raging over two pages arguing about that last bit? What made you change your mind?

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No.

I was saying that a slap on the wrist is a joke for this reckless idiotic behavior.

Detention as some suggested???

Aww hell no, son.

 

[excelsiorlef]

So you are assuming based on an idiot's word and not evidence...

It doesn't work that way.

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Well the video does show the principal throw a punch to the head of the kid after he's been put in the headlock. For the record. So I don't think it's unreasonable to imagine it could have escalated from there.

Since this whole story is about escalation.

 

[Puroresu_kid]

This going to court is ridiculous

 

[Masoyama]

But why.

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But why what? You try that on some random person, and the least you deserve is a hard punch to your face. If you are unlucky you get a hospital visit out of the whole thing. I would not fault the principal to responding to the event by roughing the kid up either and then pressing charges.

Different world view, I grew up in latin america and over there, you dont grab someones head like that and pretend its all a funny joke.

 

[excelsiorlef]

But why what? You try that on some random person, and the least you deserve is a hard punch to your face. If you are unlucky you get a hospital visit out of the whole thing. I would not fault the principal to responding to the event by roughing the kid up either and then pressing charges.

Different world view, I grew up in latin america and over there, you dont grab someones head like that and pretend its all a funny joke.

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Wow

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

But why what? You try that on some random person, and the least you deserve is a hard punch to your face. If you are unlucky you get a hospital visit out of the whole thing. I would not fault the principal to responding to the event by roughing the kid up either and then pressing charges.

Different world view, I grew up in latin america and over there, you dont grab someones head like that and pretend its all a funny joke.

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Kid's actually lucky Trump's stupid "arm faculty" thoughts aren't implemented.

It could have gotten REALLY ugly.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

But why what? You try that on some random person, and the least you deserve is a hard punch to your face. If you are unlucky you get a hospital visit out of the whole thing. I would not fault the principal to responding to the event by roughing the kid up either and then pressing charges.

Different world view, I grew up in latin america and over there, you dont grab someones head like that and pretend its all a funny joke.

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So you think it's OK for the principal to assault the student? Showing your ass in here.

 

[Deleted member 36086]

Because there is obviously no intent to actually harm? Bumping into someone or jokingly pretending to do a wrestling move without actually doing said move are not assault.

Yes? It was a joke. Disrespectful and stupid? Yes. Actually intended to cause harm or presenting a danger to anyone involved? No.

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I just looked up the legal definition of assault and what this kid did has a good chance as qualifying as battery: intentional harmful or offensive touching without the other person's consent. It also could qualify as assault as it requires the victim to have a reasonable fear for safety. Intent to scare or frighten can also be considered assault.

 

[Van Bur3n]

But why what? You try that on some random person, and the least you deserve is a hard punch to your face. If you are unlucky you get a hospital visit out of the whole thing. I would not fault the principal to responding to the event by roughing the kid up either and then pressing charges.

Different world view, I grew up in latin america and over there, you dont grab someones head like that and pretend its all a funny joke.

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It's time you adopt a world view that isn't narrow-minded to the point you're willing to see someone's life thrown away over this nonsense.

Again, you're part of the problem.

 

[TheGreatMightyPoo]

So you think it's OK for the principal to assault the student? Showing your ass in here.

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If someone comes at you, you have rights.

After the kid was no longer a "threat" though, it's different.

 

[Deleted member 38573]

Talk about an overreaction. Kids life could be ruined for what? Your ego that a student touched you? Piece of shit is not fit to be a teacher

 

[excelsiorlef]

But why what? You try that on some random person, and the least you deserve is a hard punch to your face. If you are unlucky you get a hospital visit out of the whole thing. I would not fault the principal to responding to the event by roughing the kid up either and then pressing charges.

Different world view, I grew up in latin america and over there, you dont grab someones head like that and pretend its all a funny joke.

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School is not the real world up to a certain point, it's hwy every school fight doesn't end with criminal charges.... Police should be only invoked for above and beyond incidents, this is not such an incident.

Suspensions, expelled (if the student has a history) sure... but what you're calling for is beyond the pale.

 

[Masoyama]

So you think it's OK for the principal to assault the student? Showing your ass in here.

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100%. When you start something you face the consequences.

Kid's actually lucky Trump's stupid "arm faculty" thoughts aren't implemented.

It could have gotten REALLY ugly.

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Yeah, kid is old enough to know these things. I knew at that age that I should not wear certain things when walking home because random people would try to hurt me. I knew to not touch anyone without consent, never be aggressive against someone because they might be armed. You never forget the first time a confrontation goes from words to someone flashing a knife or a gun. Best to keep to yourself and not be acting like a dumbass.

 

[TinfoilHatsROn]

No.

I was saying that a slap on the wrist is a joke for this reckless idiotic behavior.

Detention as some suggested???

Aww hell no, son.

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Fair enough. But I'm pretty sure most have suggested a variety of punishments that could have been used.


Anyway, what's this gonna accomplish? Another criminal straight out of prison back on the street soon. Only way more angry at the world and way more likely just go right back. Sure ain't making society safer.

(If prison was actually about reform instead of just machines that create more recidivism I might agree with prison. Don't live in a perfect society though.)

You can't be serious come on.
We should teach kids it's okay to have no respect for your "boss".
Just RKO people, like everybody does.

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Yeah man we should...
*checks papers*
Throw kids in prison so they become even more hardened criminals. That's a much better solution.

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[excelsiorlef]

If someone comes at you, you have rights.

After the kid was no longer a "threat" though, it's different.

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The headlock was an understandable reaction in the moment, the haymaker afterwards less so, anything after that is wrong.... and bringing in the cops and insisting on criminal charges is horrific.

 

[Kaz Mk II]

Just try and tell me Florida isn't the best state.

It's got Gators, beaches and tons of . . . interesting people.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Yeah, kid is old enough to know these things. I knew at that age that I should not wear certain things when walking home because random people would try to hurt me. I knew to not touch anyone without consent, never be aggressive against someone because they might be armed. You never forget the first time a confrontation goes from words to someone flashing a knife or a gun. Best to keep to yourself and not be acting like a dumbass.

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So basically what you're saying here is if the Principal had shot him you'd say the student had it coming.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

I just looked up the legal definition of assault and what this kid did has a good chance as qualifying as battery: intentional harmful or offensive touching without the other person's consent. It also could qualify as assault as it requires the victim to have a reasonable fear for safety. Intent to scare or frighten can also be considered assault.

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Considering the judge's reaction to this whole affair and what is actually shown on video I think you'd have a hard time getting any sort of conviction on a battery or assault charge. That also doesn't answer why the school can't use it's own resources and policies to discipline a student rather than thrusting him into the legal system for something so obviously minor, the kind of unruly behavior that thousands of high schools across the country deal with on a regular basis without involving police or the legal system.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

100%. When you start something you face the consequences.



Yeah, kid is old enough to know these things. I knew at that age that I should not wear certain things when walking home because random people would try to hurt me. I knew to not touch anyone without consent, never be aggressive against someone because they might be armed. You never forget the first time a confrontation goes from words to someone flashing a knife or a gun. Best to keep to yourself and not be acting like a dumbass.

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Er, no, that's not how the law works.

 

[honest_ry]

Fucking America man.

I remember at school a guy in my class took a swing at my teacher and the teacher dodged and hit him with a right hook. We all laughed and everyone got on with their day.

 

[Deleted member 2171]

This needed a detention and an apology essay level of response.

Instead, they gotta keep up that school to prison pipeline.

 

[Masoyama]

So basically what you're saying here is if the Principal had shot him you'd say the student had it coming.

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Nah. I would also prefer if he got expelled and fined vs jailed. I am just saying that I understand the principal and the kid best learn the lesson fast if he wants to avoid getting shot.

You know, first week in the US when I started my PhD, there was an informal orientation on how to avoid getting killed by Americans. There is a lot of information about how to deal with police and random people screaming bigoted shit at you, because people like me are targets of harassment and attack. I can ignore that shit and try to live in the world as it should be. I can try to fight it and get possibly killed. Or get it in my head that certain rules will be enforced and certain actions will lead to extreme consequences. Such is life.

Er, no, that's not how the law works.

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If the law says the dude did not act unreasonably, the dude should be release without charges. If the law says one thing and the guy still gets punished because the system is unfair, then yeah, that is the world I know.

 

[Van Bur3n]

Well, at least we made progress going from "I kinda wanna see the kid burn from the appropriate consequences" to "well, actually not really but I understand why it's happening. Oh well".

Good talk, gang.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

Nah. I would also prefer if he got expelled and fined vs jailed. I am just saying that I understand the principal and the kid best learn the lesson fast if he wants to avoid getting shot.

You know, first week in the US when I started my PhD, there was an informal orientation on how to avoid getting killed by Americans. There is a lot of information about how to deal with police and random people screaming bigoted shit at you, because people like me are targets of harassment and attack. I can ignore that shit and try to live in the world as it should be. I can try to fight it and get possibly killed. Or get it in my head that certain rules will be enforced and certain actions will lead to extreme consequences. Such is life.



If the law says the dude did not act unreasonably, the dude should be release without charges. If the law says one thing and the guy still gets punished because the system is unfair, then yeah, that is the world I know.

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No I'm explaining to you that just because someone 'starts something' does not give you free reign to do whatever you want to them under the law. If someone pushes you, you cannot pull out a gun and shoot them. If someone punches you, you don't have legal license to then take a pipe and beat them half to death with it.

I'm not sure what the diatribe about random people possibly shooting you has to do with this situation exactly.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

Principal is a wasteman. There's no doubt about it.
Involving the law for this shit? Lmfao.
What a donkey.

 

[Masoyama]

If someone pushes you, you cannot pull out a gun and shoot them.

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Im pretty sure that you can actually do that in Florida. Which is horrendous, obviously. But the law is not out there to protect you. The law is out there so you can use it to your advantage whenever you can.

 

[It’s Reyn Time!]

Maybe I didn't watch Randy Orton as much... but I don't remember him ever being as over as DDP was with the fans.... and DDP had some sick ass Diamond Cutters....

So why yall reference the RKO before Diamond Cutter?

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God DDP was fantastic. Absolutely loved him.

 

[Imperial Bishop]

Kid thought it was a work but it turned out to be a shoot.
Principal knew it was a shoot but telegraphed it as a work when he should have done the shoot.

 

[Butch]

100%. When you start something you face the consequences.

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I'm sorry but in the real world that's not how the law works, you don't get a free assault ticket.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

Anyway whatever... kid is now on the path to becoming a statistic... good game y'all.

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Lol, Americans sure do love putting young lads away for shit that could've been solved otherwise.
I mean, look at the indifference from some in this thread.
Scumbags.

However, I cannot fault someone for escalating it to the next level.

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I can. He's at fault for escalating this.

 

[Masoyama]

I'm sorry but in the real world that's not how the law works, you don't get a free assault ticket.

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Depends on where you live. Some places let you respond to a minor aggression with deadly force due to the thread you perceived.

 

[Riversands]

You know, first week in the US when I started my PhD, there was an informal orientation on how to avoid getting killed by Americans

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Yikes. What a scary country. My friends and I are planning to visit there next year, not sure if it is really good idea

 

[Masoyama]

Yikes. What a scary country. My friends and I are planning to visit there next year, not sure if it is really good idea

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I mean, I can almost pass as white as long as I don't speak so I am not in terrible danger. My Indian friends, however, never leave the house in groups smaller than 3 and are pretty much used to the idea of getting stuff thrown at them from white dudes in pickups.

 

[Riversands]

I mean, I can almost pass as white as long as I don't speak so I am not in terrible danger. My Indian friends, however, never leave the house in groups smaller than 3 and are pretty much used to the idea of getting stuff thrown at them from white dudes in pickups.

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Even though we go there as tourists?? Thats terrifying. How about us who have asian face?

 

[JetSetSoul]

Ugh if you're in an authority position, you should have to be able to deescalate any situation.

 

[Akira86]

Talk about an overreaction. Kids life could be ruined for what? Your ego that a student touched you? Piece of shit is not fit to be a teacher

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He's a rule breaker and he needs to be broken by the rules. You didn't think this machine ran on good wishes did you? Within the system there is always an implied threat of what happens when you challenge that system. This young man needs to be made into an example.

Show him pain, let him be baptized into the church of punishment.

 

[Butch]

Depends on where you live. Some places let you respond to a minor aggression with deadly force due to the thread you perceived.

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I didn't know that (not from the us), over here everything after the restraining bit would be an assault against the kid since the situation was over, if he did indeed hit the kid after that. But I can see how a lawyer could claim the principal was acting out of fear and make it work, I guess.

 

[Masoyama]

Even though we go there as tourists?? Thats terrifying. How about us who have asian face?

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It really depends on where you go. Big cities are fine. And even in smaller places 90% of people will treat you great. As a tourist you will be fine. But living here as a minority really raises your chances of facing those few people that will make sure their bigotry is exposed. Don't worry about it if you intend to visit. Really think about it if you plan on living here.

 

[Deleted member 11413]

Im pretty sure that you can actually do that in Florida. Which is horrendous, obviously. But the law is not out there to protect you. The law is out there so you can use it to your advantage whenever you can.

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Florida is one state out of 50, and even Stand Your Ground laws have their limits. The law is meant to protect people, if it's causing more harm than good it needs to be changed.

 

[Gentlemen]

No.

I was saying that a slap on the wrist is a joke for this reckless idiotic behavior.

Detention as some suggested???

Aww hell no, son.

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Lol who hurt you son. Show me on the doll

 

[Masoyama]

Florida is one state out of 50, and even Stand Your Ground laws have their limits. The law is meant to protect people, if it's causing more harm than good it needs to be changed.

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All those green states have similar shoot first, talk later laws as Florida.

Lol who hurt you son. Show me on the doll

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Responding to a difference of opinion with a joke about child sexual abuse is incredibly disgusting.

 

[SurrenderDorothy]

Ugh if you're in an authority position, you should have to be able to deescalate any situation.

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Exactly.

 

[Gentlemen]

Responding to a difference of opinion with a joke about child sexual abuse is incredibly disgusting.

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Get over yourself. And maybe get over your weird worldview that any contact is grounds for a bloody deathmatch and were all lucky we dont randomly get murdered

 

[MrLuchador]

If this was in the UK the Principle would be the one facing charges for putting the kid into a headlock.

 

[BladeoftheImmortal]

He's 18. That's a Florida man.

 

[Kin5290]

I know this forum is anti-authority as it gets, but this thread is just embarrassing. Thinking that a student committing actual battery on a school principal only merits detention and not criminal charges? Get the fuck out of here.

This student tried to throw his principal to the ground by his neck. That's a criminal act that could have ended with serious injury.

I mean, I can almost pass as white as long as I don't speak so I am not in terrible danger. My Indian friends, however, never leave the house in groups smaller than 3 and are pretty much used to the idea of getting stuff thrown at them from white dudes in pickups.

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This sounds like complete bullshit.

 

[Kurita]

That principal refusing to follow the script should go to Wrestling Court

 

[Rinse Bassfunk]

He's a dumbass but I think phrasing this as "trying" to do it is out of bounds. He was being a little show off douche but it doesn't look like he's trying to do more than the pose.

Still shouldn't have actually touched him, and it's not like the principal would have the context so I can see why he grabbed him. Not really seeing why it should be elevated to this level though.

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Agreed

Does this really warrant any sort of official charges? Talk about overkill

 

[Dog]

If this was in the UK the Principle would be the one facing charges for putting the kid into a headlock.

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Sad but true.