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Always love to see these stupid knee jerk scape goating actions turned around on reactionary conservatives.
Always love to see these stupid knee jerk scape goating actions turned around on reactionary conservatives.
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Won't go anywhere, but I have wanted to see this happen to see people try and justify why this text doesn't incorporate all of the apparent issues they have.
But conservatives have no problem with hypocrisy, as I am constantly reminded.
But conservatives have no problem with hypocrisy, as I am constantly reminded.
Okay if he's doing that reject all holy books, he needs to include pagan worship in there, like mythology since new religious pop up. Also out goes any Ron L. Hubbard books, and any sci-fi that has a religion in it that discusses a type of God.
I mean if your gonna wanna ban one type of book, then do them all. Focusing on the Bible only is stupid. It needs to be any form of religion if your going to make your point on the stupidity of banning a bunch of math books then you go all out on this, and that includes all religious including non western, such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, and other smaller ones.
I mean if your gonna wanna ban one type of book, then do them all. Focusing on the Bible only is stupid. It needs to be any form of religion if your going to make your point on the stupidity of banning a bunch of math books then you go all out on this, and that includes all religious including non western, such as Hinduism, Buddhism, Shinto, and other smaller ones.
How many Buddhist texts do you guess are currently available in Miami schools public libraries?
Honestly sets pretty good grounds for a lawsuit if they refuse, since the basis is exactly the same as what they are using to ban books.
There is no issue with having mythology in the library. They had social significance at some point and deserve to be studied.
As for this story, fair play because nothing should be censored cause we don't like it.
Oh, there is an issue, because they do ban certain religious mythologies they don't agree with. That's why there has to be a seperation for religious texts in public schools. I guarantee the library doesn't allow access to religious texts equally. If they did, fine, but they don't.
Exactly. I don't have a problem with religious texts in public schools in general but they clearly aren't treated equally.
Can't wait to hear the hypocritical conservative outrage over this.
The letter is more to take a stand against the shitty law, rather than to seriously try to ban the Bible.
The Letter said:
In a similar vein:
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Request for After School Satan Club denied in Pennsylvania, but hell-fearing Christian clubs are okay
Request for After School Satan Club denied in Pennsylvania, but hell-fearing Christian clubs are okay
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Absolutely dumb way to counter culture war.
The vast majority who oppose this law are religious. Or believe in religion.
and the whole idea is banning books is bad! Not that we didn't ban the right ones.
Atheists in this country can be embarassing
The vast majority who oppose this law are religious. Or believe in religion.
and the whole idea is banning books is bad! Not that we didn't ban the right ones.
Atheists in this country can be embarassing
You can have a bible in a library… christ. Students should have access to the worlds holy books. As long as their not proselytized to. The books are complements to many if not most of the other books in there? Why should a Christian not have access to the Koran while reading 1001 nights or a Muslim access to a bible when reading paradise lost?
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Trying to "own" them at their own logic NEVER WORKS!
The opposition for these laws should be firmly to protect LGBT people not try to argue on their ground.
This people are stuck in 00s forum argument type logic.
That's not exactly how this works. Even if it did, it just means there will be MORE books banned, not less.
Yeah. THAT'S the takeaway from all this shit going on.
Yeah cool that's the only thought I have on this whole controversy. A single line out of a single post in a thread on the atheists in particular saying they're not actually helping and purhaps alienating allies.
It would have been better if it had been written with a more serious tone than the snarky edgelord Twitter atheist we have here. It will just be laughed at, whereas there probably is a decent logical argument to make.
I think pointing out the absurdity of the law by using an example of the book that DEFINES "family values" for these sycophants is not embarrassing at all, but you do you. You clearly have an issue with this one dude doing something to battle it and have decided to extrapolate from his actions in actually combatting the destructive anti-education crusade of religion in this country, that atheists are embarrassing.
I disagree with your general premise that this person is alienating allies at all, but I think your purportion of how embarrassing and indicative of him and atheists as embarrassing is misplaced and absurd. It's patently obvious they're just exploiting the stupidity of the law using the "safest" text in the country, and 100% of your embarrassment just be aimed at the legislators giving power to his intentionally stupid arguments.
The tone is obviously bad but even then the whole premise "the Bible has this stuff so kids shouldn't read it too" is just flawed. The stories are largely censored for kids. So they're not talking about seeing noah naked or all the rape in sex. If anything I think it furthers their argument "they're protecting kids"
the point is the books their banning aren't sexual or inappropriate. They just show gay people and minorities exist!
I think this is more in response to the math book ban than the don't say gay bill.
I mean this understanding of the Bible and it's place in the evangelical world view is just not how American religion works and just takes them at their word. And this bill isn't just pushed for religious reasons it's a fundamental white straight conservative supremacy which uses but isnt exclusive to Christianity.
But this is absurd I'm replying to a drive by post that completely distorts what my overarching point was in the post. So I'm not replying to any post about that line
In your frothing rage you misunderstood the point of that post. The likelihood of school libraries *only* having a bible and no other religious/spiritual texts is near 100%.
I grew up in upstate New York and we had several versions of the Bible, Koran, Torah, the Nation of Islam Koran and Vedas in our school library. Also had a copy of Mein Kamph.
Having it in a library isn't endorsement of the book itself. If it was I'd be protesting at my local library right now for having Harry Potter books.
Semantics.
Yes, there is rampant intellectualism. But it's not being helped by playing into it. This just gives those really pushing that culture war (same typically bigoted folks that hate facts) a talking point. Yes, they're too dumb to comprehend the point this individual is attempting to make.
There's always been a war on education in the US. As well as a culture war. Both are dumb and I think trying to play into it with "Let's see how THEY like it" accomplishes nothing.
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Semantics if you think education is just a frivolous thing that doesn't matter, I suppose.
Because of sex according to Florida law. The Bible, The Koran, Torah all feature alternative life styles that could make children question the "proper" way to live. Kids should not be exposed to sex, polygamy, and body mutilation (aka foreskin removal). The law is written to protect children- religious books should not be exempt. Any religious fiction book should be eliminated to- they also teach a lifestyle choice.
Fair is fair.
This will just lead to more books being banned and Conservatives going even harder on education and schools. I have no problem with religious books in schools in general.
This also assumes that courts will side with the atheists and they will most likely not.
I don't have a problem with religious in school either. I do have a problem with people using their religion to ban people from society and impose group thought on a supposed free nation.
The law written assuming the Christians would rally to push LGTBQIA people out of society in order to defend their religon. But the law as written doesn't target LGTBQIA specifically- exactly so Christians can play victim from us all powerful Atheist (lol).
Sorry. Nobody should be coddling oppressors. Stop telling people how to defend themselves from losing their rights and livelyhood just because Christian want to ignore the Constitution and turn America into a theological totalitarian dictatorship.
They're already banning books, there's no logic in not even attempting to strike back.
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Who is coddling oppressors? I'm not telling anyone to not defend themselves. I'm saying this kinds of lawsuits don't end up with less books banned, it ends up with more banned assuming a judge sides with the Atheist groups. You'd be better off suing on 1st Amendment grounds to make sure the LGBTQ+ books are not banned rather than just attempting to ban all books.
I'm part of the LGBTQ+ community myself, an advocate working on the ground against these laws, and working outside of the legal process to help LGBTQ+ folks in my community. I'm far from coddling people that want to see me dead.
I'm not advocating for that though. A lawsuit arguing that banning books are against the 1st Amendment would still be striking back and would be more likely to win than one arguing that all books should be banned under the law.
Nope, because of how the law is written, it is better to ask for the law be applied EQUALLY, oppose to law makers deciding to just ban LGBTQ+. First Amendment would require proof it was written to attack LGBTQ+ specifically, which it doesn't. It does set guidelines to ban all reference to sex and gender lifestyles. The best way to get it repealed and show bias application is to ask for other books that teach lifestyles, like holy books.
The school board doesn't have to agree with the petitioners though. If the petitioner says "Bible is bad! Ban it!" then they can say "We reviewed it. It's fine." A public hearing and review to ban the Bible would end with parents siding with school boards so it wouldn't even likely sway elections.
I'm not seeing how these petitions would end up with the law repealed as school boards aren't going to ban the Bible.
If they don't ban the Bible, then there is a case- because it is showing favoritism to one life style over others. It allow books in the library that cover sex, multiple marriage lifestyles, and body mutilation. Which can absolutely prove that this law is being used to oppress LGTBQ+ in favor of Christian values.
You can't say if fine for kids to learn about polygamy, non consequential sex with slaves, and the cutting off of foreskins while being oppose to same sex marriage, consensual sex, and body modification surgery (which people are calling body mutilation). This is exactly how they are using the law- to attack a minority group while playing favorites to the majority group.
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