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"Flick Stick" is now available in Steam Input via the latest Steam Beta Client

Nzyme32

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Valve mentioned some time ago they were looking into this, and now they've added it to the Steam Client Beta within Steam Input.

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Full Update: https://steamcommunity.com/groups/SteamClientBeta/announcements/detail/4119055961236855584

Flick Stick is a method of using analogue sticks to map 360 degree turning, for quick targeting at high speed. Combined with Gyro controls, this can allow for far quick aim than traditional analogue stick aim. For full functionality, you should use a controller with Gyro, allowing for good vertical aim also. Otherwise you will just have basic flick stick quick turning functionality:



Steam Input is the ever growing collection of tools for customising your game controls with new bindings, menus, combinations of input modalities, gyro, and much more - even when a game wasn't originally designed https://www.resetera.com/threads/steam-input-thread-comfy-couch-would-be-perfect-on-pc.36611/

Steam Input is compatible with a ton of controllers
 
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LewieP

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Will this be automatically added to games that support Steam Input, or is it something that developers will have to implement manually? Sounds cool, I'll give it a try.
 
Aaronmac

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Nice! Not my preferred Gyro aiming setup, but more options for the Gyro aiming crowd is always extremely welcome. Gyro aiming is the future!!!!
 
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LewieP said:
Will this be automatically added to games that support Steam Input, or is it something that developers will have to implement manually? Sounds cool, I'll give it a try.
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Thankfully, it doesn't require any developer involvement. As long as the game supports the mouse, you can give it a try and enable it yourself.
 
Chopin the Third

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I've watched a couple videos about flick stick and still don't understand it fully, so I'm just gonna have to try it for myself. Are there any decent, free shooters that can run on low end specs? My laptop wouldn't be able to run a game like Doom.
 
BearPawB

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The gameplay in the video in the OP did nothing to sell me on it.
Dude spends half the footage staring at peoples feet
 
Layell

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While I mourn the loss of Steam Controller v2, and will keep mine safe and treasured for as long as possible. I love the constant updates and developments Steam Input has.
 
BeI

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Isn't Steam input still unable to limit gyro to one axis, whereas Flickstick was normally shown with vertical-only gyro?

I wonder how often Steam gets ideas from other small projects and decides to add similar features.
 

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BearPawB said:
The gameplay in the video in the OP did nothing to sell me on it.
Dude spends half the footage staring at peoples feet
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I think thia video of CounterStrike Go does a better job:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbZq4OjEwE

The speed and precision at which he can find the heads on those target dummies seems significantly better than what can be done with normal joystick controls.

Having spent a lot of time playing Dreams on PS4 with its gyro cursor, I am now a believer in gyro as a mouse replacement. In terms of cursor precision and speed I'd put the gyro above other input devices such as a touch pad or track ball, and significantly ahead of a simple joystick. It's still not quite as good as a mouse, but it remains a huge step up and way better than I anticipated given my initial skepticism.
 
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Kyra

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Sophia said:
I don't recall if Joycons are supported by Steam native yet. They'd probably appear as two seperate controllers.

This would absolutely work for any Switch Pro controller tho.
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The revelation that playing splatoon with gyro was better when just holding the two joycons rather than putting them in that joycon holder thing made me believe in gyro aiming. I think moving ones hand rather than moving a device with both hands is much faster and more comfortable.
 
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Chopin the Third said:
I've watched a couple videos about flick stick and still don't understand it fully, so I'm just gonna have to try it for myself. Are there any decent, free shooters that can run on low end specs? My laptop wouldn't be able to run a game like Doom.
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CS:GO is free & doesn't require much spec-wise.

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Does it support joycons? Thats the real game changer.
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I don't think Steam Input supports Joy-Cons, but JoyShockMapper does.
 
Android Sophia

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BeImonkey said:
Isn't Steam input still unable to limit gyro to one axis, whereas Flickstick was normally shown with vertical-only gyro?

I wonder how often Steam gets ideas from other small projects and decides to add similar features.
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Yeah I don't think vertical-only gyro is there yet. I'm sure Nzyme32 will correct me if I'm wrong.

Played an hour of Serious Sam HD with it. It works. EXTREMELY well. The only issue is I was having to correct my gyro movements a bit too much, but that's easily solvable.

It's an experience comparable to keyboard and mouse now. I could instantly face enemies that charged past me in scenarios where even gyro + regular sticks would be too slow or imprecise. I'm really happy that Valve finally added it.

(Still doesn't beat playing Serious Sam in VR tho, hah!)

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I don't think Steam Input supports Joy-Cons, but JoyShockMapper does.
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Steam Input should support any controller, even the Joycons. The problem however is getting both Joycons recognized as one controller and still having gyro.
 
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Nzyme32

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Pikelet said:
I think thia video of CounterStrike Go does a better job:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzbZq4OjEwE

The speed and precision at which he can find the heads on those target dummies seems significantly better than what can be done with normal joystick controls.

Having spent a lot of time playing Dreams on PS4 with its gyro cursor, I am now a believer in gyro as a mouse replacement. In terms of cursor precision and speed I'd put the gyro above other input devices such as a touch pad or track ball, and significantly ahead of a simple joystick. It's still not quite as good as a mouse, but it remains a huge step up and way better than I anticipated given my initial skepticism.
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Yep, added video to OP
 
Neoxon

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Sophia said:
Steam Input should support any controller, even the Joycons. The problem however is getting both Joycons recognized as one controller and still having gyro.
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That's what I'm referring to, sorry I didn't specify. But yeah, I know for sure that JSM recognizes two separate Joy-Cons as one.
 
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Nzyme32

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BeImonkey said:
Isn't Steam input still unable to limit gyro to one axis, whereas Flickstick was normally shown with vertical-only gyro?

I wonder how often Steam gets ideas from other small projects and decides to add similar features.
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Sophia said:
Yeah I don't think vertical-only gyro is there yet. I'm sure Nzyme32 will correct me if I'm wrong.
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Yeah sadly not yet.
What it does have is only a vertical sensitivity scale.
If you set it as pictured, it will completely cancel vertical movement. However the other end of the scale does not cancel out horizontal.
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At best then for now, in the rare games that let you swap mouse axis, you could cancel out horizontal mouse movement that way. I'm sure with feedback from this lots of people will have the same complaint, so they "should" add the functionality
 
Neoxon

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BeImonkey said:
Isn't Steam input still unable to limit gyro to one axis, whereas Flickstick was normally shown with vertical-only gyro?

I wonder how often Steam gets ideas from other small projects and decides to add similar features.
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I don't think JibbSmart limited JSM's gyro aiming to vertical-only for his demonstrations. Speaking from experience, I do great with unrestricted gyro with flick stick.
 

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Neoxon said:
Capcom, Blizzard, & Riot as well. RE8, Overwatch, & Valorant respectively would benefit greatly from gyro & flick stick (Valorant in particular could actually be ported to PlayStation & Switch with G/FS).
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Biggest player is activision. If this was in the next COD and even if it's not heavily advertised it'd be still somewhat huge.
 
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