I agree with the bolded.
But I have no idea where you're getting that first sentence from.
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First Teaser for Black Panther Wakanda Forever
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I agree with the bolded.
But I have no idea where you're getting that first sentence from.
My point is that I do think that the rumors are true, we are getting T'Challa's son introduced in this film and that he will become the new Black Panther eventually. How we will get there I don't know, but I trust them to make it work. Whatever happens, I don't see an alternate universe T'Challa or a recast happening after Secret Wars. We don't really know when the next Black Panther film will come. I imagine that ten years after the first one would be symbolic, and enough time for a new Black Panther to rise, since we are far from Phase 6 let alone 7 yet.
I've never even heard that rumor. Please tell me you're not just openly discussing leaks about the film.
I don't read or follow leaks, this has been openly rumored on social media based on the trailer itself. I do see a lot of stuff here been discussed, but I really don't go to Marvel leaks and stuff like that, all of this is based on speculation from the trailer itself. I won't even read what people talk with spoiler tags around here, so no this isn't about film leaks, this is about the trailer itself:
View: https://twitter.com/sifusudi/status/1551610573883834369?s=21&t=mOYbW-BkC_7l34Z1EOVTEA
Edit: I'm btw, I'm very precious about spoilers too, but if we are getting to the point that we can't discuss what has been widely discussed on social media since Chadwick's passing and most of all content that we could literally extrapolate from a teaser trailer (I'm so sensitive with spoilers that I usually don't even watch anything other than a teaser and maybe a first trailer), then it's a tad too much even for me. If not discussing theories, let me know. I am just saying that based on this trailer, there is no way that T'CHalla is recast and there is obvious outs to have his legacy to keep going that dates back to his first film, but if this spoils someone else's fun, I dont want to stand in the way.
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This is the basis of the speculation in that thread? Okoye wouldn't save a random kid, only the crown prince? Lol
View: https://twitter.com/sifusudi/status/1551610581681045504
This is just an example. You will find people talking and theorizing about having a child with Nakia after the blip for almost two years now. But sure, my speculation is based on this specific twitter thread I guess, it's not like this isn't one of the biggest points of contention when it comes to this film since Chadwick passed away or anything.
I'm just talking about the basis of the Twitter user's speculation. If you have other speculation your personal speculation is based on in addition to it then fair enough. I'm just saying that Twitter user's "strongest evidence" is not very compelling and also it's kind of funny to me because I'm imagining Okoye just letting a random child she could save get swept away by a flood because they aren't part of the royal family.
There are a lot on this teaser trailer that gives the idea of death, birth, legacy and family will be major themes in the film. Trailer starts with Nakia alone in the beach and the obvious implication that T'Challa is gone, transitions to Namor's literal birth underwater, Ramonda talking about her sacrifice and her loved ones, Wakanda celebrating and grieving the loss of T'Challa. I kinda ignored the kid that Okoye saves at first, but that Twitter thread made me think that they might have a point. Namor had his house and likely parents killed with fire, so that reflecting as a parallel to a potential T'Challa's heir facing the flood of his kingdom and people seems poignant to me, and one good reason why that scene might mean more than what it looks.
so do these brehs turn blue when they leave the water? its looking like thats the case (except for Namor). and then you see their natural skin color within the water.
kinda wild that we got blue water people and then blue water aliens in the biggest blockbusters of the rest of the year
kinda wild that we got blue water people and then blue water aliens in the biggest blockbusters of the rest of the year
A young Black Panther (T'Challa's son) would match well with the rest of the Young Avengers that the MCU has already set up. I think they made the right the decision for the long term not recasting, but we won't know that until 5-10 years from now.
Well, the Na'vi actually got some traits from Marvel's Atlanteans, the blue skin being one of them.
I don't think the idea of son is farfetch, the dude's reasoning is just stupid.
"A superhero wouldn't save a random kid"
This is basically how I feel. We lost an actual person in a very tragic way. He may not have died on set or in the middle of filming a movie, but the timing would have sucked for the production and the people making it regardless.
I feel that not doing a recast was not a perfect solution, but was the best solution given the circumstances.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with letting people have one movie to grieve the loss of Boseman and having seen the trailer even as someone who was against recasting right away and believed it would be done in a respectful way to not only honor Boseman, I was still not prepared for how hard it would hit me. Making a movie can create a powerful moment to mourn and grieve his death but also is a way to celebrate life and use art in a way that creates both a cathartic coping mechanism for everyone affected by the loss of Boseman or for anyone who has ever experienced loss, but for the artists (the actors, the crew, the director, etc.) but channel that pain into the art, to help each other process the experience threw their art and say something about the human condition, and isn't that the greater purpose of art, of storytelling? I can already tell they didn't let this opportunity pass by. This wasn't just another gig. They created something beautiful here and I'm still reeling days later by how hard just the teaser trailer hits me.
I understand people feel differently about the loss of T'Challa since that is a decision made by people. It's something that we can control, but maybe in the calculus of this situation, the more compassionate, the less cynical move is to let a life be more important than a character in this instance; to let humanity and art shine during a dark time; to recognize that sometimes a loss isn't something that makes us weaker, but something fortifies us and makes us stronger through the connections we all have to one another, not just by the hardening of our souls to protect ourselves from being hurt. This was a decision made out of love, and the trailer has only made that more apparent to me.
I'm not gonna beat people over the head with how I feel if they disagree with me, but I've really been trying my best to respect others' feelings in this situation while I so strongly disagree. But I think I can echo the same sentiment, let people have this one movie.
I do think we can revisit the idea of recasting later down the line, and in fact, I think that there is an even better solution than bringing back T'Challa through the multiverse by having him be resurrected from Necropolis, and maybe on paper that seems a bit tricky or tasteless, but I believe it's something that has happened in the comics and would be something that could tie T'Challa to a storyline in the comics of him becoming King of the Dead and having more powers that people have wanted to see for a while now. It's a unique creative way to bring back the character that doesn't feel to me like it would cheapen things. It would actually make for a meaningful development of the character, of the same T'Challa we know with the same relationships he once had, and of a literal rebirth of the character. I don't know if they'd be able to execute this in a way that people would be okay with and wouldn't offend people, but I think this may be a solution for how to bring back the character.
Usually by just outsmarting him.
Folks don't understand just how strong Namor is. He's Hulk levels under the water (and Thing levels on dry land).
But he's not the sharpest tool in the shed? Or are the ones facing him that much smarter?
I speculated in an old Black Panther thread about Tchalla and Nakia having a son too a while ago (and I avoid spoilers like the plague). Don't think it's too far fetched that something like that would happen. To me it's the obvious way to go with them also setting up Young Avengers left and right...
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Can only Namor breathe above water? Is that why the others are wearing a mask of water on their face above ground?
Thanks, I was a bit worried I was getting taken up the wrong way, but now I'm imagining Ned Stark getting beheaded because he is arguing about why the World Series is solely located in Westeros
Honestly that's a really solid conceptI think that's the case, there's this shot of Namora too:
Namor is arrogant. It's not the best dumb more that he'll overlook things that he views beneath him. Dr Doom outmaneuvered him multiple times to get his cooperation. Usually via blackmail. He also gets very focused in battle
Yeah, like Atlanteans are fine for a couple minutes or a short bit of time but then they have trouble breathing and losing strength. Namor has no issues due to his human side and mutant factor, but he isn't at full strength the longer he's away from water(but it still takes a couple hours and he's still on the level of thing or Spidey Vs when he's at full strength he can go toe to toe with a mildly angry hulk)
Just noticed the iron heart on the 40th rewatch of the trailer. Is that girl the Ironheart character? Cool throwback of Tony when he first made his suit.
Disappointing that it wasn't all in IMAX, switched back and forth quite a bit.
Telling Black people excited for a well represented MC hero to get used to having to wait and sit our turn. Thanks!
Seriously? We waited this long and your only retort is to tell us to wait another decade. I don't know how you can't see how ridiculous that sounds. That's not nearly as smart of a comeback as you seem to think it is...
That's where I had a good laugh, we are talking about Disney, with the millions invested in each project you better believe the executives and their accounting teams have the final say in all the creative. THere's a reason MCU movies almost all have identical layouts
I doubt he'll be super powerful. They just nerfed a fellow King in MoM. At this point I think Surfer could show up and he's struggle to beat anyone.
This is boggling my mind. Why aren't mods cracking down on this? Then they say its just "theories" and "speculation".
Tbf he just taken down by someone more broken than him
Bruh. There's a difference between a studio having a house style, doing pre viz on action set pieces, executives giving notes and an actual algorithm making the entire movie. That is how people are treating this situation. As if Coogler isn't a person and he could just be replaced as director and we would get the same exact end product.
Okoye wouldn't protect a random kid?
...? The fuck is this person on?
Namor's not dumb, but he's got real bad mood swings you could say, and he's got anger issues at times.
I'm not sure if its been retconned or not, but Namor had a thing where the more time he spent only in water, or only on land, the more mentally unstable he'd become. I think generally he'd get more violent and irritable the more he just stayed in either, so , like, if he'd been underwater too long and decided to raise an army, slapping him around on the surface would get it out of his system and he'd get a more level head.
It's actually kind of startling how many times Namor gets the green light to just be a hero again after all the things he's pulled over 80 or so years.
Trying to wipe New York off the map? Invading the eastern seaboard? Those schemes with Doom? The stuff with Illuminati? Claiming the oceans as his domain and taking anything that violated that including nukes(and nearly murdering Stingray)? The straight up genocide of wakanda(ok that one can be blamed on the Pheonix force somewhat)?
Yeah he's pulled shit that would've gotten most characters dragged through the mud till kingdom come. Albeit wasn't he straight up killed over it and didn't resurrect for a year or so? Plus he's on good terms with mutant kind so I wouldn't be surprised if Xavier wiped some memories to keep Namor acting freely
Anyone can beat anyone under the right set of circumstances.
"Atlantis" is gonna be Talocan, aka Tlālōcān, an Aztec paradise.
View: https://twitter.com/NamorNews/status/1551624388537196544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1551624388537196544%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fw7x27h%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
not sure if posted, but first I heard of it.
Also while I'm here:
(Hair likely not final, as is often the case with first look minifigs)
I love her!
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not sure if posted, but first I heard of it.
Also while I'm here:
(Hair likely not final, as is often the case with first look minifigs)
I love her!
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There it is for all the hand wringers….it aint even called Atlantis lol
"Atlantis" is gonna be Talocan, aka Tlālōcān, an Aztec paradise.
View: https://twitter.com/NamorNews/status/1551624388537196544?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1551624388537196544%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2Fw7x27h%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dfalse
not sure if posted, but first I heard of it.
Also while I'm here:
(Hair likely not final, as is often the case with first look minifigs)
I love her!
Disney trying to hide who will be the new Black Panther, but we probably gonna know who from toys leak, right? Unless Disney go as far as not making the new Black Panther toys?
Well we do have toys in both action figures and funkos, but none of them showed a panther. I have a feeling Marvel actually embargoes some of them.
I think recently it's a combination of bipolar by his hybridness and xavier attempting to help him by (i think accidentally) creating a remnant of ww2 buddy that died that intending to help with his ptsd from ww2
Still an ass but was to explain his mood swings
Funny thing the reason Namor is that way is because of a retcon of Xavier during the younger days trying to help a traumatized Namor (he also became close to a soldier who died and spent time with his family) and ended up making him worse
The first Rey toys didn't have the lightsaber. Then, after TFA was out for a bit, they started including the lightsaber.