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First Teaser for Black Panther Wakanda Forever
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Greek is actually the one that makes the least sense. Plato's Atlantis was a foreign power that he invented so Athens could defeat them in a made up war to show how powerful Athens was.
The whole point was that Atlantis wasn't greek.
Something being done before doesn't make it "mid." What kind of logic is that? After a century of cinema that's inevitable to some extent. Still doesn't take away from what another project achieves. Who arbitrarily made the rule that only one movie per series can have standout cinematography? The mural shot is only one of the three images I posted as examples so nice job ignoring the others (not to mention screens I didn't use as examples).
You also conveniently ignored two of the three points I mentioned. Does "every other Marvel film" incorporate people of color like this? BP did it as well, but doesn't mean the medium can't be celebrated when done well again. That's a major part of why this trailer stands out. There's a lot of emotional value that's intrinsic to the race of the actors as much as you want to ignore it. Same with the music choice and how the two songs mix together on top of their impact in the Black community.
Why would it Greek culture be the obvious answer when the legend says it's an island west of the Strait of Gibraltar?
It's supposed to be an island lost somewhere in the Atlantic.
Edit: Beaten
I've actually roleplayed Namor on both a forum RP and MUSH.
One time a "Marvel Highschool" RP had a part where it became a Disney musical becasue of the Scarlet Witch changed reality. And I wrote an entire song called "The Imperious Rex"
Another time in a game where all cape comics were merged into a single reality, my Namor stared down Superman with a smirk and even said to him "Hit me Kryptonian. I dare you. See how that works out for you."
Suffice to say, Namor is one of my favorite characters of all time.
No digital double does not necessarily mean his death will be offscreen. Just that his face won't be shown
‘Black Panther 2’ Will Not Use Digital Double Of Chadwick Boseman, Says EP
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T'Challa's death will be offscreen
I know you are def entitled to your opinion just know that you are most likely in the very small minority here
If Plato invented it, surely it's primary association is with Greece?
They're pretty much have non from the few i seen them in Marvel Atlantis is less developed than dcs
I feel like people arguing about how Atlantis (the city in which the initial source was "I made it the fuck up", and every other explanation over the millenia for it also being from people whose source was "it came to me in a dream") should be Greek instead of Mesoamerican should take a momentary pause from posting and consider how that looks to an outside viewer.
Yea right so I guess these posters don't want Latino representation in this movie?
If I was Coogler and I got asked this question I would just say "we did that because we wanted to. Why? Because it's my movie fuck you"
Plato invented it to be not-Greek though. As it pertains to Plato, it's a made up island in the middle of Atlantic Ocean somewhere. It makes no sense to assume that the inhabitants would have adopted Greek culture.
Its primary association is with the Atlantic Ocean.
Saying Atlantis' primary association is greek would akin to saying that Martian's primary association is english because H. G. Wells made them up in War of the Worlds.
Yeah, but it was invented by a Greek, so it's associated with Greece as a result. I'm not saying they would have Greek culture (because they don't actually exist, the Atlantians that is, not the Greeks), just that it is associated with Greece.
The body language of Letitia Wright in this video is interesting to watch. She looks so uncomfortable. And if she is still anti-vax & anti-trans (Which she probably is, given that there was never any walk-back) then she should absolutely feel uncomfortable, of course. But still, it's wild to me that she's out there, given everything that's happened.
Though it's also possible that a lot of it can be chalked up to being up on that stage without Chadwick. Who knows.
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The association that Atlantis would have with Greece is that a Greek writer wrote a story about the Atlantans fighting all of the Mediterranean nations, and ultimately being driven back into the Atlantic by the Athenians.
So when writing fiction involving Atlantis, the writers had a blank check as far as cultural inspiration goes. They chose Aztec because it's cool and largely untapped, so why not!
What's with these weird sorta-racist-but-not-provably-racist takes in MCU threads lol. First I read about Kang's nose, now I read about the "wrong" heritage for a made up culture, with absolutely no reason but to have an argument. I'm almost afraid to catch up on other threads :D
I will not let this slander fly! You may opinionize how Eternals is boring (it's not!) but don't you ever say it LOOKS boring!
Love this and glad Huerta is very outspoken about this. Love that he spoke Spanish!
How
Angela Bassett's dialogue in that trailer chokes me up everytime
what i dont get is why are people focusing on the atlantean side of the problem
i dont care about Atlantis
i care about the mexican aesthetics being used in something that no one ever has made the connection to.
"it looks cool"
of course it looks cool it has been looking cool for thousands of years. why do they need to apply it to something that has NOTHING to do with it?
now, if in the movie, it is not actually Atlantis, but an ancestral mexican city or something, that would be cool
but Atlantis???
nah
But I don't get the outrage? Sure they are using Aztec/Mayan imagery for Atlantis but they are casting Mexican actors it's not like white people cosplaying as Mayans in Atlantis?
Even Tenoch Huerta himself says he's proud of being part of this due to the implications of inclusion
there is no outrage
im just saying it would be more cool to actually have a mexican wakanda or something,
I'm not understanding still….isn't Mayan and Aztec imagery Mexican? It just happens that the MCU uses that imagery for Atlantis. We honestly don't know right now if Atlantis has roots in Mexico or not so it may well be "Mexican Wakanda"
"So the Legendary Fictional City Atlantis is actually a Latin American, Aztec inspired Kingdom full of superpowered Latinos"
"Wowza that's so disrespectful"
Go ahead, explain to me why.
Edit: Realized it was actually calling it disrespectful to not have a Wakanda and now I'm even more confused
"Wowza that's so disrespectful"
Go ahead, explain to me why.
Edit: Realized it was actually calling it disrespectful to not have a Wakanda and now I'm even more confused
Love the trailer. But the tiny wings on Namor's ankles have been and always will be dumb, especially when it comes to flight.
so that last part is what i am actually hopeful for.
i dont think anyone would ever think of this version of atlantis, when someone mention Atlantis outside of MCU itself.
people know what are you talking about when you say "Wakanda"
i dont feel this "Atlantis" will replace the old term at all.
I've registered so many groups angry for some reason or the other at this. Should translate to a lot of discourse that will be overshadowed by the box office success
They are both great options, though I profess a bias to see the former "Man-Ape" character ascend to these heights.
It's a Mexican Wakanda that was hidden beneath the ocean instead of behind an illusory wall.
Atlantis is a blank slate, I've already seen and enjoyed many interpretations of it.
There was that Disney animated movie, there's that version in Young Justice where it was an entire continent founded by Vandal Savage, and of course the dozens upon dozens of stories in fiction about a lost city in the Atlantic Ocean with no specific hard set of rules other than it being underwater at some point, maybe.
I'm really looking forward to seeing it in this movie.
There was that Disney animated movie, there's that version in Young Justice where it was an entire continent founded by Vandal Savage, and of course the dozens upon dozens of stories in fiction about a lost city in the Atlantic Ocean with no specific hard set of rules other than it being underwater at some point, maybe.
I'm really looking forward to seeing it in this movie.
That was sweet. Cant wait to see his Namor. The brief shots in the trailer looked epic.
That shot of him descending to his throne...bruh. So badass.
The cinematography is so good. Plus that transition from No Woman No Cry to Kendrick Lamar's Alright is chief's kiss 😍😭
I still fail to see the the "problem" here. Again, there is NO cultural that has anything to do with Atlantis. So there being a lack of historic connection doesn't somehow make Mexico off limits when looking for inspiration.
The outcome, Mexican representation, is better than the alternative of not choosing this setting for arbitrary reasoning like "Atlantis hasn't previously been associated with this culture".