I hope you are right. I don't want another boy band. At the very least Jill should be a party member.
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Hopefully Jill's personality will be more than just "Ever kind, gracious, and unassuming, Jill has become a trusted confidant to the brothers."
If there is a party and she's in it, I hope she's not the healer
Well, one of them is dead and she seems to be forced to fight for a faction. Probably a lot of anger inside in her current situation
Yeah, this would be a big monkey's paw. Either no women in the game at all or the only female party member becomes a generic submissive healer waifu.
Ugh.
There's also the fact that Jill is not living with the brothers by choice but by force. She was basically taken from her home and is a Theon Greyjoy like character so there is a lot of potential with that. The staff probably is also self aware about her description basically sounding similar to Luna as well and it seems more like a front for whatever really is going on with her.
I also hope she's not a healer and if she is a love interest, she's very different than love interests the series has had before.
I also hope she's not a healer and if she is a love interest, she's very different than love interests the series has had before.
No, but it's the only new mainline FF game we've had in the last ten years or so, and from what I saw in the FF Origin trailer, I'm genuinely concerned that boy bands will become the new trend in the series going forward.
I just think it's sad that FF games from twenty years ago had better female representation than the most recent ones.
FFXIV would like to say hello :> (no 'boy bands' in that, btw)
The idea that the whole party consists of dominants who by the looks of it can win wars by themselves seems too OP.
It's like walking around with 6 nukes in this world. No kingdom would let you roam freely.
I think that's why Clive is either the only dominant of the party aka Ifrit the dark ninth eikon that is a completely new entity not belonging to a faction or you don't have a dominant and Clive is just taking powers from them.
It's like walking around with 6 nukes in this world. No kingdom would let you roam freely.
I think that's why Clive is either the only dominant of the party aka Ifrit the dark ninth eikon that is a completely new entity not belonging to a faction or you don't have a dominant and Clive is just taking powers from them.
There's no reason to think that's the case, it's 1 game which had the theme of Male bonds which was preceded by the FFXIII trilogy with strong female leads and FFX-2 which had an all female cast. You also had WOFF which released around FFXV with both a male and female lead. Panicking about lack of Female representation over a demo of FF Origins (which has useless party members anyway, who might not even be there through the whole game) made by a different company / supervised by a different SE division seems extremely pre-emptive. SE literally spent almost the decade before FFXV pushing Lightning in everything, she even modeled for a fashion label. You're also completely ignoring FFXIV & its expansions which are basically seperate games by themselves in terms of content, all having well written female characters.
This isn't aimed specifically at you since others have been echoing your worries throughout the day.
Clive doesn't seem like he is a dominant but someone who can use some of their powers. He has the power of Phoenix but I don't think he can summon Phoenix.
Considering we haven't had seen him using Shiva's power, maybe Jill will keep hers in battle. I still don't think there will be a party though
Considering we haven't had seen him using Shiva's power, maybe Jill will keep hers in battle. I still don't think there will be a party though
That's usually how it goes. I don't really get these worries anyways, 14 has a great cast and great female representation in my opinion. And FF16 is made by the 14 team (creative business unit III).... there is literally no reason to worry at all.
Fair enough. I was counting from FF XIII. I just forget about XIV since it is an online game.
Even so, FF XV, FF Origin, FF XVI... For now it seems that all of them feature a 100% male party. I hope I'm wrong with XVI, though.
You have to leave this behind because FFXVI is a new game from a different studio. I cannot stress this enough, the people who worked on these games are not the people working on FFXVI.
XVI showed like 3 women in a four minute trailer filled entirely with men. Even ignoring XV, most of the main female leads in the series are healers, mages, and shit. Y'shtola, who is basically the face of XIV for dissidia and stuff, was a white mage too (and I ain't even going to touch on that awful Yoshi-P article where he was asked about whitewashing). As a woman, it's very annoying to have men repeatedly post that there's no reason to be concerned or worried about female representation in this game when there is. I'm always skeptical of how they handle women - regardless of who the creative team is.
There are plenty of reason why FFXV is the way it is and among it is that it started off as a spinoff to XIII. And FF Origins is another spinoff and both these games shared the same original creative leads --- Nomura.
Little off topic but I can't imagine anyone's in the XV thread if there even is one.
I'm picking up 15 again after like a 4 year hiatus. On chapter 6. I love the fuck out of this game, but I'm not generally a FF fan.
One thing though I'm finding as I'm getting used to the combat again is I'm having a ton of trouble with flying enemies. Groups of them in particular. I just don't seem to be doing enough damage to kill them efficiently, even if they're like level 28 and I'm level 44. They're always just out of my reach to get good combos, and some of them like the bees that shoot confusion are that as well as severely fuck me up in the process. Pretty much the whole fight is just me barely chipping away and trying to survive until my summon becomes available to wipe them out.
Am I missing something, do I suck, or is this just a thing?
I'm picking up 15 again after like a 4 year hiatus. On chapter 6. I love the fuck out of this game, but I'm not generally a FF fan.
One thing though I'm finding as I'm getting used to the combat again is I'm having a ton of trouble with flying enemies. Groups of them in particular. I just don't seem to be doing enough damage to kill them efficiently, even if they're like level 28 and I'm level 44. They're always just out of my reach to get good combos, and some of them like the bees that shoot confusion are that as well as severely fuck me up in the process. Pretty much the whole fight is just me barely chipping away and trying to survive until my summon becomes available to wipe them out.
Am I missing something, do I suck, or is this just a thing?
And the studio that made FFXV is working on a AAA RPG whose protagonist is a woman of color. Probably the first of its kind from Japan.
Final Fantasy XV had an all male party because the developers wanted to explore male-male intimacy with it. It was a one time thing. It will probably never happen again. Any upcoming Final Fantasy with a party system will have female party members.
Now being skeptical of the treatment of said members is a completely different story and 100% valid, and I don't think FF14 treats its women nearly as well as the fans will lead you to believe, but that's another discussion.
It wouldn't be an FF thread without fans jumping to conclusions
Do you make sure that you're hitting enemies with weapons they're weak to? The damage text should be gold IIRC instead of the regular white
Other than that, some enemies are damage sponges
Yeah generally I always go for that. On that note, what's the last icon on the bar that shows weaknesses? Don't think I have a weapon with that element yet
YES.
YES.
Makes sense, yeah. And unfortunately, neither do I. But hey.
Absolutely. It's not just that there's a lot more work to be done. The unfortunate truth is, Square actually used to be a bit better at this. <_>
The Stranger of Paradise situation should indicate that people should get too worked up over what's shown initially. There only being male cast for that game made people think it was another XV romp. But Nomura confirmed in a Famitsu interview that there are more playable characters as well, although only three can be in a party at a time. It's hard to imagine that those additional characters will all be male.
Make sure you have all the aerial combat abilities unlocked for Noctis. Try switching your weapons on-the-fly while you attack your enemies to see which one is their weakness. Other than that, you can switch to Prompto and shoot at the flying enemies with the machine gun or the bazooka.
I wouldn't mind her being a Warrior Mage, or something similar to a Red Mage (able to wield bladed weapons while tapping into both white and black magic).
To be honest what's frustrating is all these XVI concerns (which are fair!) mainly come from people that haven't played Heavensward and who don't seem particularly driven to. And that's fine, I get that's a big investment. But we're not all in the dark here as far as the type of things this team would/wouldn't do with their fiction and their characters. We're not talking about Nomura and Nojima and nothing they've done - be it this year or ten years ago - actually has any bearing on what XVI is doing in all likelihood.
Maybe you thought his answer to the question was awful, but that article was a WOC reporter going out of her way to ask a question the community cares deeply about. I would think you would commend that.
Y'shtola bas been a black mage for years now, too. That's what I'm talking about. Like I said above, the skepticism you lay out is fair regardless, but we're not actually so in the dark on a lot of these things. There's an interesting female character involved in nearly every hour of FFXIVs narrative. I know this is a little "bingo card", but I'm saying: There's a good-faith reason it keeps coming up.
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I'm not pretending it won't have gender essentialism or it will treat female characters right, just that it's not the same team. I still don't believe there will be a party. I personally liked characters like Ysayle in Heavensward, didn't care for white savior Lyse, but that wasn't written by the heavensward crew who had already left for XVI so I am hopeful there is a chance it can work out well
I've been saving my AP for a few big 333 purchases, but I'm thinking that might not be the smartest choice. And you can...switch characters...? I didn't even know this...
Her surname, Warrick, sounds warrior-y, so hopefully lmao
Square is a huge company. The devs who are working on FF Origin or worked on FF XV are not working on XVI. FFXIV is legit the best point of reference and their female leads are often praised.
That is very true lmao. Regarding Strange of Paradise, it is a Team Ninja/Soulslike title so.
I think there will be female party members, XV was different as it started as a spinoff FF title.
Was added for free later after the game's release. Flying enemies is probably the best reason to use Prompto at all, really.
I think reasonably, VII2 takes 3 years or a bit more to complete after the VIIR-1 launch.
Whether it gets revealed in 2022 for release in 2023, or reveal in 2023 for release soon after , my point is, I don't think we are waiting 5 years from now.
Nobody would argue against your skepticism, but you first based it on XV alone, and when given better examples by other members (who you assume are all men) you seem to dismiss them. XIV has a female monk as one of its main characters (also THE main character of one expansion), you can be a female Warrior of light, Alisaie fights with a sword (not only magic), and they just included male Viera and female Hrothgar options. Even if they make mistakes, at least they seem to be trying to improve in this aspect.
They integrated character switching after Episode Ignis was released. It was a game changer!
Straight up, examples like Ysayle and the fact that you have the option to make a woman in the character creator are paper fucking thin. The greatest strides in female representation in XIV were made independently of the HW team who are the ones working on XVI. Lots of folks seem really really eager to handwave this extremely valid concern.
This feels disingenuous. There's been female XIV players on here that have critiqued the way women in XIV are written and broke down why have their own issues people on this very page aren't touching on but just do it in safe spaces like the why women critique sexualized designs thread - and considering some of these replies it's not hard to see why anymore. I've personally played about 95% of HW so indirectly implying I have no knowledge of what I'm talking about it and should shut up is weird. I don't find anything wowing or that progressive about how women are written in it from what I've played.
What does the writer being a WoC have to do with him giving her an awful answer to her question and basically trivializing the matter? 1). I know Natalie is brown and 2). if this is supposed to be some type of gotcha it just emphasizes how shitty the situation because where brown people's representation is easily handwaved away through excuses. I also know Y'shtola is a black mage (hence why I said she 'was' a white mage) which only just happened an expansion ago so again, it's weird for you to repeatedly indirectly imply that I'm entirely ignorant in what's going on within XIV just because I haven't fully played all the expansions. She's ultimately still a mage, the role most main leading women are placed into...just like I said in my earlier post.
I've tried to be nice and respectful but the framing of this is so fucking shitty lmao.
No, I don't assume. I check people's profile/what they identify as every time I see one of these types of posts and like literally 99% time of the case it's men citing reasons why people shouldn't be concerned. Which is what you're doing right now lmao. Amazing. Besides, my skepticism goes back to various games with or without Nomura and Nojima - I've literally written essay on here on why Ashe's writing in XII is flawed as a female character. XII ain't a Nomura or Nojima game. Also I'm not going to praise Lyse, who is basically the equivalent of a white savior and just another reminder of XIV's issues with colorism - something that I've also written about on here. The problem isn't even about just having a female party member which I've literally explained in this thread and is a point that keeps getting missed.
But I guess I'm a dumb girl who doesn't know what I'm talking about and am totally in the dark lmao.
I actually wouldn't mind if there was limited Dominants in the party, but the majority of the party all has their own unique skills and abilities (similar to FFIV or FFIX). Clive's a "Dominant?" with the ability to make pacts with Eikons and use their powers in pure offensive nature (battle combos with attacks that chain magic). Jill is a Battle Mage, has a greater range of magical attacks and can use both White and Black Magic, including spells that Clive cannot use. Maybe there's a Dragoon character you recruit (not the one you defeat in the trailer, but one you meet in Sanbreque that defects to your cause). Maybe there'll be a Monk, or a Thief, or a Dark Knight, or a Ninja? That could be fun. That could allow each character to bring a different set of skills to the party and have them each play differently.
We don't know what Clive is. I'm spitballing theories, but I think HE'S Ifrit's Dominant (the artwork shows his arm is transforming into a sorta burnt demon flesh with spikes, sorta Ifrit-ish). You don't find that out until later (because he's fooled himself to believe it was someone else that killed Joshua). That it would be a whole "battling the beast inside" deal where, eventually, Clive learns to overcome it (or learns to come to terms with it) and becomes able to control it. I do think whomever or whatever initiated his transformation that lead to Josha's death, that's the true source of antagonism in the game.
First off, I apologize. I'm specifically not trying to attack you, but meet your arguments with my own. I didn't realize you played HW and I don't post in the other threads you mention so I'm completely ignorant to how those discussions go and have gone.
Again, I'm sorry. Truly it's not personal. You do seem somewhat dismissive of an alternate take though.
I just preferred what was in there than white savior lyse and irredeemable victim yotsuyu in subsequent expansions.
Fair enough, I wasn't replying directly to you to be clear but rather indicating that what's there in XIV still leaves plenty of cause for a bit of healthy concern.
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