Got my DRK to 63. The Kojin tribe quests are great experience everyday but I want to make sure I still have an easy way to level up Gunbreaker when it releases. Once I get my DRK to 70 I want to farm for the Warpanther mount and then once that is complete I guess I'll have to try the same for the armoured version though that will be more difficult since I'm not used to tanking yet.
I really don't buy the excuse that they were deciding between female Viera or female Horthgar especially since Hrothgar just finished before the fanfest while Viera were done by Paris.
I think the most obvious answer is that Viera were the more demanded race but because other groups were complaining about there not being enough beastial options they added Hrothgar and resources made it so that they couldn't afford to do both genders. The decision to make the two genderlocked races stereotypes of their respective gender is still intentional and I think it's purely because of female viera.
So basically everything I said was correct in regards to why they didn't add Male Viera.
I said the tantrums take away from valid concerns and criticism. ME TELLING SOMEONE TO F**K OFF OMG HATE SPEECH IN MY MMO compared to "I believe x is x because x" is massively different.
My issue comes from the fact that pretty much every level of complaint is being lumped together as a tantrum or harassment. The most vocal group of complaints are the people expressing disappointment and yet it seems the extreme side is being propped up as representing all.
I do care to a degree or I wouldn't whittle into the conversation or bother to respond to you. I don't care in terms of "it doesn't affect me" because it simply doesn't. I've wanted female viera for ages and I was planning on playing it. I'm excited for it.
This part is confusing. You care about the topic enough to respond and comment but all you're saying here is the one thing you wanted you got and the rest that doesn't affect you doesn't bother you which would be the controversy currently being discussed.
Devs also kind of skip over posts that are overtly aggressive. This has happened recently with EA and Anthem, the CM said devs stopped responding because people just shout at them. No one deserves to go to work and do their job and shift through aggressive or angry messages. People can be critical without being an asshole - there are people who are acting like assholes because the game is doing/designing something different from what they wanted. And honestly, if that's how they act when a VIDEO GAME does something they don't like, I'm happy for them to leave. I'd rather people explain in great detail and time why they think something is bad, over just screaming.
I'm not disagreeing with you about this. I don't see anyone defending people who have threatened or harassed(and I mean ACTUAL harassment not the label used for criticism) the dev's and Yoshi. This is why I'm pointing out how overblown posts are suggesting threats and harassment are the most vocal group which is just not true.
Just because lore isn't an excuse you accept, or they've changed their feelings about it in the past, doesn't invalidate their reason here. They have said it's becuase of lore and time restraints. They wanted ot introduce a well loved and wanted race but also wanted to introduce a beast-like race that people have also been calling for. They decided this was the way to do it. Doesn't mean they're right but that is their "excuse" so people claiming there is "no excuse" need to relax a tad.
Lore is not an excuse when it is convenient. If the creators can ignore the lore they have established time and time again to do what they please then I see no reason as to why lore is suddenly a counter to male Viera being added especially since the lore already established them as existing
Male Mi'qote were just as rare as Male Viera in the lore which meant they were not playable originally. Due to backlash they added them so no, lore is horrible excuse especially when the exact same situation already happened.
Development is expensive and difficult and time restraint. FFXIV is starting to become an older MMO, which means less money is going to be thrown at it by SE compared to a new game. We need to be realistic about it.
Is it fair? Fair is a strong word. It feeeeels bad from a player customisation point of view, yes. Unjust? No.... ofc not. It's a video game. The correct way to do it? Not really if I was in charge but I'm not. It might be that the reality is that making races is just really fucking expensive and they have their budget for the next few years planned out and they had to be real about it. Same reason about healer balancing. Time and money. FFXIV is sold heavily on being a story FF as well. They are focusing on that a ton (hense the trust system).
The problem is the way they have went about this entire situation.
If the reasoning is resources and time constraints then be forward with your players rather than acting coy over a reveal you knew went against the actual demand. At Paris they were questioned constantly about Male Viera and instead of just saying Male Viera aren't happening they led people on knowing that excitement was there only to switch and introduce another genderlocked race. All of that plus the sexist introduction of Viera is where they went about this all wrong. Would there still be backlash? Of course and I won't deny that but what made all of this so much bigger was how poorly everything was handled.
I agree with this but I am also aware of the popularity, numbers of people, and how many are actually going to pick up a Hroth. We have to wait and see tbh. People are linking female Ronso designs who are also scantily clad and sexualised as well. *shrugs*
I mean there is going to be different expectations all around. The nice thing about customization is the option should be there for all kinds of appearance. I personally would love to make a female Hrothgar that just looks like a walking lion or wolf rather than add all the more human aspects to it but I fully understand others love the idea of a more masculine female beast race but still keeps some of the more human facial designs.
I don't misunderstand at all. There is a subset of people who are ANGRY (actually angry) that DNC isn't a healer. I know a lot of people are more upset about hte lack of healer job (I'm gutted but not upset) but a lot of people were mashing about DNC not being a healer because of a leak confirming they were.
All of those people angry are all saying the exact same thing which is healers got ignored again. It's expected that DNC as Ranged DPS will be criticized because the expectation wasn't that DNC specifically HAD to be a healer but that it was the most likely scenario for getting a new healer. When that didn't happen people were upset because the chances basically sunk with that announcement and then recently confirmed that a fourth healer isn't happening.
I don't think it's worth discussing DNC being DPS criticism on it's own because the majority of the discussion is still mainly about the lack of a fourth healer job and not that the Dancer job isn't healer specifically.
We haven't. I have no idea where this mindset has come from? I've seen posts that say not having male viera is homophobic. That's INSANE to me.
Maybe people don't notice these posts as much if they agree with the "core" of them. Maybe I'm more up to date with posts before they're getting moderated? Everywhere I go, discord, Reddit, forums etc people are losing their collective shit with some interesting dialogue in between. There are also a ton of irritating posts from people asking those to shut up as well.
I have been following Reddit, ERA and the official forums and what you're claiming is being written constantly is not happening. Have some people called the decision homophobic? Yes though I have also seen many point to Yoshi's comments about Male Viera which do seem slightly homophobic but more sexist and I think that is completely fair to discuss without being labelled extreme. Should the entire company/dev team be called homophobic? Of course not and I don't think the majority are saying such things.
I have been watching a vocal group on both Reddit and XIV forums claim the outrage has gone too far and people are sending death threats yet whenever asked to supply these posts as examples suddenly everything is being deleted. Is it possible that maybe the small amount of posts you did see aren't reflective of the actual bigger discussion happening which is why most calm posters aren't seeing this as a serious issue?
I think the sad thing is that people arguing with people who aren't going to change their minds. I have no intention of changing anyone's mind with my post. I don't expect yours to get changed either. It's just sad people crying about transphobia and sexism where I think it's misplaced.
I don't really understand how discussing the sexist aspects about Viera and the way they have been handled is misplaced but obviously this isn't something we will agree on. I don't think pointing to FF XII as an excuse for sexualization when the fact of the matter is this race is still being designed for XIV's world specifically and this doesn't mean they needed to be revealed the way they were. I don't know what else can be said when the trailer showing them off focuses on their ass and tits, start off in Frans outfit which is a thong and bra and then when shown more of them they get used for Dancer which also sexualizes them in the artwork.
If I've ever disagreed with design decisions in an mmo, I've simply just quit.
If that is how you personally handle matters then go for it. I think as paying customers who obviously are passionate about this game we have a right to voice our criticism and hope for change. People saying they will quit are hoping for a speak with your wallet approach and yet this attitude is looked down upon when it's by far the most respectable way to show a company something isn't acceptable.
With that I'm not really going to discuss this whole thing any further. If you respond I'll probably bring it over to the main thread since I don't like bloating up this thread more when we have an entire topic going through this. Plus the patch is coming soon and I really want to see and discuss how this whole thing ends lol
