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Final Fantasy XIV Reintroduces "Gender"-locked races, Viera female only, Hrothgar male only.
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If there were some political agenda behind the action, sure, I would, but I don't think there was any malice or sexism intended in the choice. It looks as though they largely took the exact recipe from FF12 and pasted it into FF14. I'm certain there are other workload related reasons why too, and giving more (in terms of 2 races over 1) is just good business in terms of quantity.
I'm sorry, what?
No malice, sure, but there was CERTAINLY sexism behind the choice. There's absolutely no way you could argue otherwise. The sheer fact that the female Viera are the default in FFXII alone was a big red flag, to say nothing of the way they're dressed. They may not have been intentionally trying to tell women that "hey, you're not allowed to be anything other than sexy" but they're sure as hell saying it anyway.
I have to agree in the disappointment that the aesthetic is being used as a marketable device (for the record, I do not agree with how the female body is used as a device for marketing - Want to make that clear so I don't sound like I'm supportive of it) and unfortunately, living here in Japan you do find that being far more common than most places overseas.
I would like to see what SE have to say, first, in regards to the the criticism. That will certainly paint a clearer picture as to what is going on.
Spineless and lazy. Was actually considering resubbing, but this kind of shit bothers me more than I'd realized. Same reason I can't get into TERA or most Korean MMOs. It's inexcuseable for a game that prides itself on customization, too.
Androgynous insofar as people being bad at identifying male characters who don't look straight up like the ideal male character from western games. Only actual androgynous ones that i would agree with is Kuja.
I could have sworn I saw some FF12 art that showed male viera, but such art probably came way after. Earliest mention to them (that isn't purely conjecture) I can find in one page of google results (because I'm lazy) is from 2009. It seems in FFTA supplementary material, possibly an Ultimania, it was said they live in separate communities from women. You do seem to be correct that they're never referenced within the games themselves, which is laaaame. :p
Of course there is sexism and politics involved. And no matter if malice is involved, such blatantly objectifying crap is still a negative, no matter if this was done in the past too. And these are beast races. They could've just made the women and men look very similar in terms of body structure to offload some of the workload. No need to make sexy, near human-like female versions and buff, beastly male ones.
Yeah. That must be the Matsuno interview I was thinking of. i do like that he expanded on that and incorporated it into XIV.
It's super lame that they aren't playable though. It's said that only 1 in 10 Viera are born male, but nobody can even tell the sex until puberty. At which point the males will take the newly found males with them when they leave after their current mating binge.
I think 1 in 10 is about the same ratio as Miqo'te, so it's really no excuse.
Viera give live birth after a pregnancy resulting from the fertilization of their ovum by the sperm of a male during sexual intercourse.
lol, what else could it mean?
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All I wanted were small bunny boys so I could recreate that image of that rabbit liking another that's four times its size! C'mon!
Seriously though the cat man race is bad and male Vieras should be real. Also no one should be talking about canon being a valid excuse for anything in FFXIV as I ride my Rathalos and Whisper mounts into the sunset on my way to Nier Automata fun land.
Seriously though the cat man race is bad and male Vieras should be real. Also no one should be talking about canon being a valid excuse for anything in FFXIV as I ride my Rathalos and Whisper mounts into the sunset on my way to Nier Automata fun land.
I thought that's an interesting idea to introduce limitations in a game previously without them but ok.
XII had viera and bangaa. So they just chose ronso to represent a different game rather than have too much Ivalice stuff.
1.0 of FFXIV had limitations in that there were only female Miqo'te and male Roegadyn, with "lore reasons" cited when asked about the restrictions. The decision was deeply unpopular, and as a result they did not have any restrictions in place at all when ARR launched. They said they wouldn't make the same mistake again... and then they made the same mistake again.
Contrast this with what Bloodlines 2 is doing.
Seriously guys, if you truly care. This game should get boycotted.
I wish Japanese devs looked at where the world was culturally
Also Guild Wars 2. The Japanese typically don't like "big and tough" women
95% of the men that play FF14 run around as a scantily dressed female avatar as it stands lol.
But they probably should have done male and female.
But they probably should have done male and female.
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I dunno, is getting two different gendered races as opposed to one multi-gendered race really all that different, especially when
A) They might add the other genders later
and
B) The Au Ra are basically as different as these two anyway
I'd rather they add Ronso and Viera both in a limited state and update them later then only release one with two genders, if both are going to be in the lore of the expansion.
A) They might add the other genders later
and
B) The Au Ra are basically as different as these two anyway
I'd rather they add Ronso and Viera both in a limited state and update them later then only release one with two genders, if both are going to be in the lore of the expansion.
Oh.
That's what I get for commenting based off some artwork instead of watching the stream I guess.
They tried it before and players made it known they didn't enjoy genderlocking.
I think it's also not that hard to believe most people will prefer having a wider amount of options over arbitrary limits in character creation every time. Especially when it's another "supermodel ladies with animal ears" vs "buff beastly animal men" thing that's been done a bunch already and could have stood to present more options for supermodel dudes and beastly women.
Times have changed, also people tend to care more about customization options for character creators, so they can make the kind of characters they want to see or envision themselves as.
Edit: I will say even back then I did absolutely think it was BS that Viera and Bangaa seemed to be exclusively female and male, respectively, and of course the Bangaa are more beastly and not hot men with animal parts glued on.
wasn't mithra only female in XI and then they made them basically both genders in XIV in miqo'te
Why the hell can't they make sexy bunny males if they could do it for the cat race.
Grow some balls square!!!!!
Why the hell can't they make sexy bunny males if they could do it for the cat race.
Grow some balls square!!!!!
Yep, and male miqote and female roeg in FF14 are great. Male viera would be cool, too. Guess we have to wait for FF17 for that, though.
Yoshi-P's rationale (2013)
As in they primarily expand their species by the men and women bumping uglies. There's no mind melding.
Square just shot themselves in the foot.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about decent human people (I'm an expert), but gender equality and inclusiveness are huge parts of it. It's not like it was in the old generations where you could become successful by being an asshole. If you show sexism over in 2019, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the FFXIV public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase the next expansion for any system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and announce male Viera and female Hrothgar or you can kiss your business goodbye.
I don't know how much the rest of you know about decent human people (I'm an expert), but gender equality and inclusiveness are huge parts of it. It's not like it was in the old generations where you could become successful by being an asshole. If you show sexism over in 2019, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.
What this means is the FFXIV public, after hearing about this, is not going to want to purchase the next expansion for any system, nor will they purchase any of Square's games. This is HUGE. You can laugh all you want, but Square has alienated an entire market with this move.
Square, publicly apologize and announce male Viera and female Hrothgar or you can kiss your business goodbye.
a cool-ass male viera would be cool. However I think the default costume of femViera is just because that's what Fran wears, people would have been PISSED if it wasn't included, I think she's the most popular character in FF12 because you know...horny (and also because it is a fucking crime we can't play as a bangaa or seeq or garif, or nu mou, or moogle, especially since there are female Bangaa)
I might do it too. I already have a fantasia in my inventory that I don't remember ever buying lol.
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This is riot-er...I mean Reset-Era. Gotta be mad about something.
They should've made Viera male-only. There's already 2 races with animal features and a small/traditionally "cute" female option and they're damn near played by everyone.
Well, the Au'ra are lizard people. Lizards have a ton of sexual dimorphism. It makes sense that the females are 2x-3x the size of the males.
...Of course, that's not what happened, is it?
Quite disappointing. On the other hand, glad to see for once an actual non-human looking race being playable. Though wish that genders was a choice available.
Not sure if anyone noticed but this new town kinda looks like the one from 2005's video.
Holy shit
Haha yeah, I remember randomly noticing one in my inventory one day. I think everyone gets one for free now.
