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Final Fantasy XIV producer discussed crossplay with Phil Spencer, points at MS regulations regarding cross-players interactions making it impossible
- Thread starter Dreamboum
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I wonder if the distinction is text vs voice.
Does Dauntless have text chat on Xbox? I believe it does on PS4 but I'm not positive.
Think this is a bigger problem, what chat/api service is FFXIV using? Because if it isn't playfab, they aren't going to suddenly change it to that API to just appease MS regulations.
Dauntless, Fortnite and Rocket league don't use Playfab, I don't know why you think MS is forcing people to use their API.
To be fair, Yoshi P directly cited Sony's cross play policy in at least one interview - but otherwise yes, he's continued to cite Microsoft most of the time.
I don't doubt that, but I'm not talking about how easy it would be to get it working on all platforms, but Sony willingness to simply allow crossplay. Epic already had a in, and apparently one that didn't require much negotiations, so we have a simple and clean Dauntless crossplay with a indy game, and maybe some Epic thumbs on the scale thanks to Dauntless being Epic Store exclusive on PC.
Oh hello, that was my interview! So sorry that it went up so close to the Shadowbringers early access. I knew the Crossplay bit was going to be important and I had to make sure that was one of the limited number of questions I was permitted to ask
Massively also posted their piece from the interview as well here: https://massivelyop.com/2019/05/29/...ringers-tour-an-interview-with-naoki-yoshida/
Massively also posted their piece from the interview as well here: https://massivelyop.com/2019/05/29/...ringers-tour-an-interview-with-naoki-yoshida/
Given this additional view on it, does dauntless or PSO2 have the 'option' to seek or form communities with specific people from specific consoles or has the ability to seek out players from a specific console in matchmaking? If so this might be the real issue. Yoshida went to great length to hide what platform you were using to play the game, you were matched only in game stuff like jobs and your language. There is literally no otherway to tell if they play on PS4, or Steam or PC version of the game outside of someone literally telling you that.
Do present crossplay titles always have an option to turn off crossplay? And FFXIV doesn't want to present that option?
That's the only thing that comes to mind.
That's the only thing that comes to mind.
Teh, yeah I doubt Square would give Xbox their own server or whatever it is they require (xbox only server seems to be it, for at least a option for people that don't want to play with PC and PS4 players).
Would suck if Xbox has some weird policy preventing cross platform MMO's
They are the one genre I feel would benefit the most from full cross play. They always seem to struggle on console so combining the userbases would be great.
Also I wonder if the FFXIV subscription also being purchased directly from SE plays a part here. MS wouldnt get that cut.
They are the one genre I feel would benefit the most from full cross play. They always seem to struggle on console so combining the userbases would be great.
Also I wonder if the FFXIV subscription also being purchased directly from SE plays a part here. MS wouldnt get that cut.
Anecdotally, when I'm playing on PS4, I can tell who the other PS4 players are because it shows their PS tag when you examine them. It doesn't say the platform, just 'online ID'
Can't believe Microsoft still won't abide by Yoshis requests. This game is huge and it would do well on Xbox I believe so what's the hold up? If crossplay is available for other titles why stop here?
Well that's kinda what I mean, there are other ways you could tell someone was playing on a console (PS3 for instance it was always how long it took them to get into an instance) but in game 'matching' wise its a simple tag, the actual game itself doesn't allow you to discriminate who has that tag in instanced or DF content, you have to literally seek out people individually to figure it out.
Someone in the Dauntless thread mentioned that PS4 version had a opt in or warning before playing with players on different platforms. I asked for screens or something but they only said
Maybe the xbox version also has that warning, and the ability to not play online crossplay. This was in their stats infographic.
Both of those concerns sound entirely reasonable. Hopefully Microsoft will help resolve this. The more people that get to play XIV the better!
The other version of the interview seemed be about Microsoft requireing the ability to opt out of cross playform play or seek platform specific people. The ability to cross-play and the requirement of cross-play is different. You literally do not get the option to segregate yourself beyond what datacenter and server you pick and SE isn't going to make an xbox preferred datacenter. Its literally the philosophy of the game, it doesn't matter what system you play on, the way the game plays and the people you play with is all the same. This has always what I assumed was the hold up.
Mmm. Not sure about the whole "you can't chat with players on other systems thing". Like others have mentioned its in existing crossplay games. Like, i play a lot of Smite which is crossplay and they recently made it so you can enter text in the chat log (albeit slowly with the XB1 virtual keyboard) which is nice because it used to be that PC players could talk all sorts of shit but console players were restricted to passive aggressively using the pre-determined voice lines.
And the other reason is you're not allowed is you can't "form a community" with players on other systems? What does that mean? Again, using Smite as an example, it has it's own separate friends list and party invite system to add players to buddy up with who are not on Xbox. Would have thought that fell under that umbrella.
I'm not saying the FF14 guy is making this up but something doesn't add up here.
And the other reason is you're not allowed is you can't "form a community" with players on other systems? What does that mean? Again, using Smite as an example, it has it's own separate friends list and party invite system to add players to buddy up with who are not on Xbox. Would have thought that fell under that umbrella.
I'm not saying the FF14 guy is making this up but something doesn't add up here.
Mmm. Not sure about the whole "you can't chat with players on other systems thing". Like others have mentioned its in existing crossplay games. Like, i play a lot of Smite which is crossplay and they recently made it so you can enter text in the chat log (albeit slowly with the XB1 virtual keyboard) which is nice because it used to be that PC players could talk all sorts of shit but console players were restricted to passive aggressively using the pre-determined voice lines.
And the other reason is you're not allowed is you can't "form a community" with players on other systems? What does that mean? Again, using Smite as an example, it has it's own separate friends list and party invite system to add players to buddy up with who are not on Xbox. Would have thought that fell under that umbrella.
I'm not saying the FF14 guy is making this up but something doesn't add up here.
This if anything would be the main reason i would have thought. As far as i'm aware its a Microsoft certification requirement that any crossplay game has the ability to disable that and play only with Xbox players. Frankly this is a dumb rule anyway and there should be an exception made for MMO's cause it's the whole bloody point. This is something Phil does need to sort out.
And the other reason is you're not allowed is you can't "form a community" with players on other systems? What does that mean? Again, using Smite as an example, it has it's own separate friends list and party invite system to add players to buddy up with who are not on Xbox. Would have thought that fell under that umbrella.
I'm not saying the FF14 guy is making this up but something doesn't add up here.
This if anything would be the main reason i would have thought. As far as i'm aware its a Microsoft certification requirement that any crossplay game has the ability to disable that and play only with Xbox players. Frankly this is a dumb rule anyway and there should be an exception made for MMO's cause it's the whole bloody point. This is something Phil does need to sort out.
Policies have probably changed in the years since. What was Phil in charge of back then? The cancelled Xbox game was for 360 wasn't it?
Xbox One has a system wide setting to disable cross play. MS is probably still refusing Square the privilege of ignoring that setting and they dont want to make an Xbox only server to appease them.
As for those saying what about PSO2, PSO2 has console specific blocks/lobbies for people who want to avoid cross play. So SEGA has no issues complying with MS requirement of being able to disable cross play.
It's not confusing. You just assumed wrong. In this case it was always on MS.
We've known it was an Xbox policy for ages (Yoshi has said basically the same thing years ago, but I think it was about them specifically wanting you to be able to opt out of crossplay back then), though everyone ignores it for some reason.
Xbox One has a system wide setting to disable cross play. MS is probably still refusing Square the privilege of ignoring that setting and they dont want to make an Xbox only server to appease them.
As for those saying what about PSO2, PSO2 has console specific blocks/lobbies for people who want to avoid cross play. So SEGA has no issues complying with MS requirement of being able to disable cross play.
Yeah this has got to be the issue, and its unfortunately a game breaking one. I legitimately understand why Xbox might want to require a game to have this option due to wanting to make sure players who happen to play in the Live eco system a chance to play each other (voice chat functionality being a big reason) but in FFXIV's case they don't support any feature that isn't enabled directly through the game itself with the intent that it made what platform you play on not matter.
They may as well if it can run current content, and content they plan to do. I have a feeling it will eventually even phase out PS4 as it move over into next gen though.
Why are people surprised?
This article is the yearly reminder that microsoft is whats holding it back. Almost every year (usually around e3) some one interviews Yoshi-P and asks the same question and he always gives the same answer.
2018
Final Fantasy XIV's Director Talks Housing Shortage, PS4 Cross-Play, And Much More
2017
inal Fantasy 14 Director Wants Switch And Xbox One Version, But Has One Condition
2016
Square Enix in talks to bring Final Fantasy 14 to Xbox One
2014
Square Enix Still Negotiating With Microsoft for an Xbox One Port of Final Fantasy XIV
2013
WHY FINAL FANTASY XIV ISN'T COMING TO XBOX 360 OR XBOX ONE
There is a article from 2015 but instead of asking Yoshi-p they asked Phil instead. He either thought of some bullshit or lied saying it was "due to business and platform exclusivity " . Which kinda contradicts multiple interviews with Yoshi-p.
XBOX HEAD DISCUSSES WHY FINAL FANTASY 14 IS NOT ON XBOX ONE
Edit: It boils down to the policy of Xbox live being required(i think square would let this slide) and a requirement of having an option of playing Xbox player only which does not work well with MMOs.
This article is the yearly reminder that microsoft is whats holding it back. Almost every year (usually around e3) some one interviews Yoshi-P and asks the same question and he always gives the same answer.
2018
Final Fantasy XIV's Director Talks Housing Shortage, PS4 Cross-Play, And Much More
2017
inal Fantasy 14 Director Wants Switch And Xbox One Version, But Has One Condition
2016
Square Enix in talks to bring Final Fantasy 14 to Xbox One
2014
Square Enix Still Negotiating With Microsoft for an Xbox One Port of Final Fantasy XIV
2013
WHY FINAL FANTASY XIV ISN'T COMING TO XBOX 360 OR XBOX ONE
There is a article from 2015 but instead of asking Yoshi-p they asked Phil instead. He either thought of some bullshit or lied saying it was "due to business and platform exclusivity " . Which kinda contradicts multiple interviews with Yoshi-p.
XBOX HEAD DISCUSSES WHY FINAL FANTASY 14 IS NOT ON XBOX ONE
Edit: It boils down to the policy of Xbox live being required(i think square would let this slide) and a requirement of having an option of playing Xbox player only which does not work well with MMOs.
I think it's weird because the interview frames it differently than in the past, and the fact that Microsoft has been better about cross-play recently. But, yeah, the real issue (that cross-play on Xbox is supposed to be something that can be turned off) still remains so... nothing has changed.
Only if they can get the game to run well on the platform at minimal settings at leasy
They have expressed interest. But never know
Well yeh, they've said in the past they are talking to both MS and Nintendo. Would be interesting to hear what - if any - issues there are with Nintendo.
It's great to have clarification, but I wonder why Yoshida never talks about Sony in this. What about their regulations? Are we certain that they'll 100% port FFXIV to XB1 if Microsoft agrees with their demands? Are we sure that Sony's own regulations won't get in the way? The reason I'm asking this is because Yoshida constantly frames this issue as being a Microsoft and Nintendo one. He never talks about Sony's role and whether they agree with cross-play or not. It's hard to fully grasp the situation when Yoshida refuses to address the elephant in the room.
Nintendo would need to waive their online sub payment for starters to play the game.
Other than that. I dunno Nintendo's own rules or if the Switch has bad connectivity on all games. Only play smash online with it
But its not that recent though. That happened in 2016 and we've have had an interview each year since then saying it was microsoft. even the 2016 article notes about the changes microsoft made and how it was their regulations that were holding it back.
Xbox One has a system wide setting to disable cross play. MS is probably still refusing Square the privilege of ignoring that setting and they dont want to make an Xbox only server to appease them.
As for those saying what about PSO2, PSO2 has console specific blocks/lobbies for people who want to avoid cross play. So SEGA has no issues complying with MS requirement of being able to disable cross play.
Fortnite BR doesn't let you turn off crossplay and even one of MS first party games (sea of thieves) didn't let you turn off crossplay for over a year (and I think it still doesn't because the option was delayed.)