You made a whole new thread just for.... this.... ?
And btw the Remaster is just fine and beautiful.
And btw the Remaster is just fine and beautiful.
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Final Fantasy VIII Remastered? More like a Demaster
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I love every version of FFVIII, and it's great to see little differences in every port. Modders are hard at work to make the remastered version even better.
There is a certain charm to PS1 graphics. I always liked that the system favoured deeper and more subdued colours. Most of the PS1 remasters I've seen (mainly RPGs) seem to brighten the shit out of everything, which I don't like at all.
Well opinion and all that but you can see the tile work, sharp edges and lack of color depth. Also the texture filtering makes it all look flat.
Then you have to get the issue of having the UI at 15 FPS when it is 60, 8 way directional movement only too and it's just a subpar experience all around. They did good updating the 3D models but everything else is pretty much bad all-around.
One of those is way more zoomed inThe Remaster was really bad, graphics were a downgrade in most part from the original.
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yikes, the texture doesn't even line up. the new models look great but what is that shoddy upscaling job on the textures…The Remaster was really bad, graphics were a downgrade in most part from the original.
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Are you going to share screenshots that show your issues? Or are you going to just use a zoomed in photograph of your display with the brightness turned up to max?
I mean, there's plenty of issues with the remaster, but you don't need to go out of your way to make it look worse than it is.
Are you going to share screenshots that show your issues? Or are you going to just use a zoomed in photograph of your display with the brightness turned up to max?
I mean, there's plenty of issues with the remaster, but you don't need to go out of your way to make it look worse than it is.
Already mentioned I'm sure but the original world map 3d is better in the original
Only remaster improvement is character models
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There are other issues too. The original used polygon models for the npcs. Here they've blended them into the background as a blurry mess and not been hd-fied or even in 3D anymore like the other character models. they stand still like statues as they are just part of the background and not actual polygon models. The original didn't have this. See example below.
On a serious note, yeah the world map looks like ass in the remaster. I can understand the prerendered dungeons & towns being what they are (though that AI upscaling thing really should be adopted for these kinds of things), but the world map is just laughable as is.
That said, the usual QoE changes and the character models still make this my preferred way to play these days and isn't anywhere near an artistic blight as say, the FFV & VI mobile ports.
FFXII seems to have gotten the most TLC as far as FF remasters go. Too bad I can't stand that damn game.
That said, the usual QoE changes and the character models still make this my preferred way to play these days and isn't anywhere near an artistic blight as say, the FFV & VI mobile ports.
FFXII seems to have gotten the most TLC as far as FF remasters go. Too bad I can't stand that damn game.
The Remaster was really bad, graphics were a downgrade in most part from the original.
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The PS1 version does not look that clean.
Some of you should pop in the original and see how horrible it looks
Why do you think the original used polygons for NPCs? Doesn't it make more sense that the originals were blended into the background and it's now noticeable with the actual character models being redone?There are other issues too. The original used polygon models for the npcs. Here they've blended them into the background as a blurry mess and not been hd-fied or even in 3D anymore like the other character models. they stand still like statues as they are just part of the background and not actual polygon models. The original didn't have this. See example below.
From what I understand, this is a side effect of the fact that in some scenes, the models were actually implemented as part of the prerendered background in the original PS1 version. (This notably happens with Cid in a scene early on as well)There are other issues too. The original used polygon models for the npcs. Here they've blended them into the background as a blurry mess and they stand still like statues as they are just part of the background and not actual polygon models. The original al didn't have this. See example below.
It doesnt really matter though, because the HD remaster only brings out further the overall lower detail 3d map compared with the higher quality 3d in ps1.
A lot of the assets look worse on the remaster, except for the character models (think some monsters got done as well).
The main problem with this is texture tiling/visible boundaries while it looks mostly seamless in the original. Texture filtering itself doesn't need to be a problem, I believe the original played on a PS2 with forced texture filtering looks fine (likely because it runs at the same resolution).
Those 2D backgrounds look atrocious. Those screenshots are real?
The vaseline 2D backgrounds is what kills it. Companies needs to license those machine learning AIs that upscales images
Yeah, the background smoothing is really prevalent.
Eagerly awaiting a Moguri style mod for the PC version to try and remedy this.
This screen from Digital Foundry showcases well how much you are losing in the process. Slap-texture-filtering-and-call-it-a-day approach doesn't even improve the image quality, it makes it considerably worse
The remaster is unquestionably better. It loses nothing but ugly aliasing, poor texture rendering, and polygon seams. The only reason to prefer the original is misguided nostalgia for the PS1's shitty graphical quirks, which looked terrible then and have only looked worse over time since. The remaster could certainly look better than it does, but worse than the original? Not for one second.
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Also when Balamb garden gets attacked the music it plays is the MIDI version of the actual track wtf? How has no one noticed or mentioned this before? It doesn't sound anything like this on the PS1 version?
I just reached this point in the game and uploaded as proof. Spoilers obviously.
I just reached this point in the game and uploaded as proof. Spoilers obviously.
Lots of people have mentioned it. It's a bug because this version of the game is a remaster of the PC release which had the midi music. Hoping they fix it like they fixed the other bugs from FF7 and FF9,
There are other issues too. The original used polygon models for the npcs. Here they've blended them into the background as a blurry mess and not been hd-fied or even in 3D anymore like the other character models. they stand still like statues as they are just part of the background and not actual polygon models. The original didn't have this. See example below.
So you never played the original then, got it.
From the PS1 FF games Remastered... I think we can all agree that IX was done the best among the three.
The original did have that. They didn't just add that here for no reason....There are other issues too. The original used polygon models for the npcs. Here they've blended them into the background as a blurry mess and not been hd-fied or even in 3D anymore like the other character models. they stand still like statues as they are just part of the background and not actual polygon models. The original didn't have this. See example below.
The remaster should have used nearest-neighbor texture filtering. Textures on the PS1 rarely look good when put through modern filtering, they just weren't designed to be viewed that way.
Nearest-neigbor can look pretty dang good at high resolutions too. Like I think Quake looks fantastic running that way on modern source ports.
Nearest-neigbor can look pretty dang good at high resolutions too. Like I think Quake looks fantastic running that way on modern source ports.
This screen from Digital Foundry showcases well how much you are losing in the process. Slap-texture-filtering-and-call-it-a-day approach doesn't even improve the image quality, it makes it considerably worse
Much prefer the original. Yeah it's pixellated and blurry, but there's an almost pointillist quality to it that makes it much more appealing than the smooth filtered remaster, which flattens the textures.
Yeah, but you have to hold the buttons down and the back touch is not registering a constant touch, so you cannot escape battles.
the best way to play this will be with mods with AI enhanced textures on PC, then the second best way to play is with emulator with pgxp
Aye the world map isn't great, but it's a ps1 game so I don't care. Still the best Final Fantasy.
This feels like you have some weird agenda, OP. You chose to go the low-effort route and post a single screenshot of probably the worst visual aspect of the remaster. Yeah, the world map looks like shit and Square didn't put much/any effort into touching it up. Ok, so? That's hardly indicative of the entire remaster and the character models in particular are great.
Not saying there aren't legitimate criticism to be had about FF VIII and the remaster, but this is a strange post.
Not saying there aren't legitimate criticism to be had about FF VIII and the remaster, but this is a strange post.
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