I legit think by the end we'll see Zack and Aerith starting a family or some shit. Gotta beat those evil "but...this isn't how it happened" ghosts into the ground with the REAL ending.
I legit think by the end we'll see Zack and Aerith starting a family or some shit. Gotta beat those evil "but...this isn't how it happened" ghosts into the ground with the REAL ending.
Calm down. Zack is dead.
Hell, Cloud is using his blade through the entire game
They just didnt show him dying yet, that's all
Yeah, she won't be killed off halfway through. I'm sure of that. I liked it in the original but it did feel odd considering her full limit break setup etc. You really had to grind a bit to get it all, which did add to the surprise I suppose. She's popular, directly playable... DLC oppertunities... she stays in.
Though the Iconic Sephiroth Scene need to be preserved. But thats not a problem, this time even the real one could do it right near the end.
Because it's an interesting idea! Presenting them as fans just seems like a way for you to play the role of victim.
The original Final Fantasy VII is right there. It's a wonderful game. And clearly they think so too, because they aren't content with taking it behind a shed and putting a shotgun to the back of its head, replacing it with a spiffier, spruced-up usurper.
It could very well suck! If it does, Final Fantasy VII is still there. It might be great but nothing like the original! If it is, Final Fantasy VII is still there.
Well, are you surprised? It's a game about ecological themes, making the villains conservatives (those who want to stick to the status quo/resist change) make complete sense. We even have a rise a nationalism and nostalgia for the past all over the world, including Japan.By positioning the force against change as villains, they're basically saying "people who don't want the story to change are EEEEEEEEEEEVIL, we gotta beat 'em up!"
Obviously Nomura doesn't want people to actually beat up people who don't want the story to change, but Nomura loves to channel his anger through extremely unsubtle story beats. He's very clearly signaling displeasure with original-story purists.
I'm gonna chime in here and say I'm actually a few months YOUNGER than the original Japanese release of FFVII and never played it until January of this year and didn't really find it outdated at all aside from some weird script translations.I mean if you're not even going to say what perspective you have there's nothing I can say to convince you.
It's clear that you think "outdated" means "bad", however, and that's simply not the case. There are very, very few games from that era that aren't outdated, especially when viewed through the lens of people who grew up with the 7th and 8th gens.
Are you guys excited for the inevitable FF7 phone game that will come out and be canon?
Oh wow, they're doing the whole "let's have the players who are very obviously going to be bothered be represented by new spooky antagonists" thing. Very clever subtle writing.
As far as I know: Wedge survived but "died" later (his soul got snatched or something because he was supposed to die as per the will of the original canon).
Framing a remake for newer generations as a 'usurper' is a really limited and, frankly, kind of selfish perspective. It's basically saying to people who might want to experience Final Fantasy VII in their own context (i.e. younger generations) to "suck it up and go put up with a decades old game." As if that would ever be a replacement for the experience that those lucky enough to be nostalgic over FFVII had.
Basically Final Fantasy VII is still there, but the Final Fantasy VII that a 35 year old played at release when they were 12 is something that went away two decades ago. This remake should have given the kids and teens of today a way to experience the story of Cloud, Tifa, Sephiroth, etc without the baggage of early PS1-era presentation and gameplay. Instead it's giving cynical adults a way to experience the warm fuzzies of nostalgia with the added bonus of brand new story additions that only they will really get the full impact of.
to think we were arguing over 1/3 of a game and false advertising.......
Not really directing this at you specifically but when I hear "the original will always be there," I always have to think "yeah, but the context in which most people played the original will never be here again."
Someone buying the game today who grew up with the 7th and 8th gen is not going to be getting the 'original experience' that someone like yourself had. They'll be getting a game that, by 2020 standards, is massively outdated in pretty much all areas.
It's why I think it's kind of selfish for creators and fans of the 'original experience' to want a remake that panders to their own boredom of the original. They were lucky enough to experience Final Fantasy VII the way it was meant to be played, meanwhile anyone born in the late 90s has never had a Final Fantasy that even comes close to the 'golden era' of the franchise.
yeah but doesnt that go for a lot of things? Often, those "golden era" moments are just a combination of the right things happening at the right moment; you cannot replicate that (most of the time). Even if FF7R would be a beat-for-beat remake of the original but with modern graphics there would still be people writing essays about how it doesnt even touch the original. Especially with internet and spoilerculture in general, a lot of the impact isnt there. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're getting at.. That said, Doom and FF7 are probably my most 'transformative' games I played in my life because they were truly doing or showing something new for their respective genres at that time. It will be very hard these days to create such an experience, heh
Man... I kind of love this? LMAO
the events of VII and AC have already happened in another timeline
[*] the ghost things are Whispers of Fate that try to keep the characters in line with the original game
[*]Biggs and Wedge live. Jessie still dies.
[*]After the highway chase Cloud and co. fight the Whispers of Fate and beat them, making it so they're no longer bound by the original FFVII's storyline.
[*]During the battle the party is shown the clip of an old Nanaki with his cubs running towards a destroyed Midgar, Red XIII guesses it's a vision of the future that awaits them if they fail
[*]Sephiroth shows up after beating them. Fight is basically AC-tier, Sephiroth gets a black wing mid-fight.
[*]While this happens we flashback to Zack surviving his last stand in an alternate timeline
[*] After beating Sephiroth he teleports Cloud to the "edge of creation" and asks for his help in "defying destiny... together".
[*] He refuses and fight similar to their final omnislash duel ensues
[*]the party escapes Midgar.
[*]We continue Zack's scene with him walking to Midgar with a comatose Cloud holding on to him.
[*]Remake Aeris and Alt! Zack sense each other
[*]fade to black
I'm gonna chime in here and say I'm only a few months older than the original Japanese release of FFVII and never played it until January of this year and didn't really find it outdated at all aside from some weird script translations.
Should we also make it available for phones? Have a progression system and a battle pass? After all, that's what kids are playing.
yeah but doesnt that go for a lot of things? Often, those "golden era" moments are just a combination of the right things happening at the right moment; you cannot replicate that (most of the time). Even if FF7R would be a beat-for-beat remake of the original but with modern graphics there would still be people writing essays about how it doesnt even touch the original. Especially with internet and spoilerculture in general, a lot of the impact isnt there. Don't get me wrong, I understand what you're getting at.. That said, Doom and FF7 are probably my most 'transformative' games I played in my life because they were truly doing or showing something new for their respective genres at that time. It will be very hard these days to create such an experience, heh
Making the story a convoluted mess sounds exactly like the treatment I'd expect from modern day SE.
Well, are you surprised? It's a game about ecological themes, making the villains conservatives (those who want to stick to the status quo/resist change) make complete sense. We even have a rise a nationalism and nostalgia for the past all over the world, including Japan.
"We can't dwell on the past, we have to move forward" is a pretty common theme in fiction.
Should we also make it available for phones? Have a progression system and a battle pass? After all, that's what kids are playing.
You know what? This could explain why there is no Part I in the title.
This is Final Fantasy VII Remake, the next one will tell "The Unknown Journey", as the ending states. It will have a completely different subtitle and everything will be different. Maybe.
It would be some next level Nomura bullshit.
Jeeeeeeeeeeesus.
He isn't first class going by the sword, looks to be third classWhat's the deal with the new Soldier 1st class dude? Is he important to the plot in any way?
You know what? This could explain why there is no Part I in the title.
This is Final Fantasy VII Remake, the next one will tell "The Unknown Journey", as the ending states. It will have a completely different subtitle and everything will be different. Maybe.
It would be some next level Nomura bullshit.
Jeeeeeeeeeeesus.
rip. That already lets me know he's the reoccurring jobber boss up there with Rude/Reno.He isn't first class going by the sword, looks to be third class