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snausages

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Feb 12, 2018
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If the sidequests are like the ones in XV I'm not looking forward to that.

idgaf if that's 'concern trolling'.

If they are like the hunts in XII, well forget it then I'm totally on board.
 

Bit_Reactor

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Nobody can but people aren't expecting that either for Remake.
I would have hoped if we were stuck in Midgar this whole time they'd at least have the decency to go all in on that type of side content, seeing as staying in Midgar is keeping us away from the best parts of the story, but yeah I guess that's a ridiculous hope.
 

PlanetSmasher

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I bought Yakuza 0 and Yakuza Kiwami when they were on sale but haven't played them yet. My friends keep begging me to play them. I did enjoy my time with the Yakuza 6 demo at E3 a couple years ago though. Gives me Shenmue vibes but more modernized.

Yakuza 0 is great. I don't like Kiwami nearly as much (it's a "remake" of a PS2 game that has a lot more PS2 DNA than it initially appears to) but 0 is amazing. If you have any questions about the series shoot me a PM sometime, I'm happy to give any guidance you might need.

Nobody can but people aren't expecting that either for Remake.

Yeah, at this point I would say "better than XV's sidequests" is the bar Square needs to prove they can hop over before they even approach Yakuza or Witcher quality side content.
 

Famassu

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Never said they don't have but they also have actual written side quests and they are not full of: "Go collect this or go kill this".
But Witcher is filled with that crap too. And the actual design of many quests is pretty poor & repetitive. Some decent stories might be attached to some side quest, though a lot of them boil down to fairly repetitive patterns by the end.
 

Masagiwa

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I would have hoped if we were stuck in Midgar this whole time they'd at least have the decency to go all in on that type of side content, seeing as staying in Midgar is keeping us away from the best parts of the story, but yeah I guess that's a ridiculous hope.
The game isn't out yet there can be plenty of great side stuff.
 

Lifejumper

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I would have hoped if we were stuck in Midgar this whole time they'd at least have the decency to go all in on that type of side content,
How do you know the game won't have that type of side content based of one pre release screenshot?

The press recently played 3-4 hours of this game.. we bout to find out if its as shit as you think it is.
 

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The NailBat?! 🤣 that's awesome. Square even going the extra mile to render character weapons like in the original game. Can't wait to see Barret's different gun arms and Yuffie's crazy fans.
This is lowkey my favorite thing about the remake thus far. Square-Enix cheaping out on unique weapon designs from FFX onwards is one of my minor gripes with the series.
 

jeelybeans

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Only option you got with that is the preorder bonus of the Chocobo Chick... I am no fan of this type of stuff. Unfortunately they aren't going to stop because they know the more hardcore fans will gladly shell out the cash for it.

I guess I could do digital only for now and get a physical copy when it's super cheap or when the inevitable PS5 version comes out...the issue is that I have a heavily discounted $40 preorder from what I assume was a pricing glitch.
 

Spehornoob

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Look at this asshole
Lucrecia chose this over Vincent.
 

Bit_Reactor

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The downside of CGI cutscenes is that the awesome nailbat won't show up in them.
I actually think with the graphic fidelity the game has achieved there won't be a need for much CG outside of the big explosions and stuff using the game models juxtaposed against them in clever ways. I think graphics is one thing they're pretty sure of at this point.

The game isn't out yet there can be plenty of great side stuff.
There can be. No one said there couldn't be "any." Again context and history. Alongside a 4 step "rat problem" quest is not inspiring me to go "wow I'm sure this game will push the medium forward!"

I don't need FF7 to revolutionize the market but I had hoped if they were going to do this we wouldn't have something as dated as a "sidequest log" for things like "Help person X is missing! Go to Y!"

Again I'm one who would argue aside from Avalanche members or "new" story content there shouldn't be bloat in the form of this type of sidequest at all in Midgar, and if it continues throughout all the parts will (to me) be grating.

How do you know the game won't have that type of side content based of one pre release screenshot?

The press recently played 3-4 hours of this game.. we bout to find out if its as shit as you think it is.
Square would have to literally drop a deuce in journo's cereal for them to probably review it poorly. And my opinion of it being shit will never be shared (as is obvious by many of the posts in this and other FF7 threads) because it's clear that just having "moar" is "good."

If people weren't annoyed by the padding before with ghosts and Nomura OCs they aren't going to be annoyed now. Everyone is going to ride the hype train because it's FF7.I've explained at length my stance in other posts to be met with either silence or "nuh uh." Aside from maybe Tim Rogers I don't think anyone cares enough, which is probably something I should stop even indulging in on this or any forum really.
 
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Yakuza indeed have some incredible sidequests, but to me they're not the substories where I'm just reading text and meeting the NPC in 3 different points, but the ones with unique systems associated with them. Real Estate Royale and Cabaret Club Czar are the best parts of Yakuza 0, followed by the main story. Substories range from boring to ok. Some are funny.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Yakuza indeed have some incredible sidequests, but to me they're not the substories where I'm just reading text and meeting the NPC in 3 different points, but the ones with unique systems associated with them. Real Estate Royale and Cabaret Club Czar are the best parts of Yakuza 0, followed by the main story. Substories range from boring to ok. Some are funny.

I think the thing about Yakuza sidequests is that typically they're more about the writing than about the actual gameplay. Virtually all of them DO involve walking to a place and talking to a person, and MOST of them end in a fight, but the circumstances and the personalities of the people you encounter make them worth it.
 

Isayas

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Hopefully, they take a LONG, A LONG, LONG look at sidequests. I have feeling the sidequests in Majora's Mask will be more superior to this game but we will see and I hope I'm wrong, wrong, wrong.
 

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The Witcher 3 is fucking wall to wall fetch quests. "Fetch quests" is a silly reductive criticism anyway.

I'm obviously talking about the narrative heavy side missions which have consequences and outside of RDR2 are in a league of their own. I'd love to see FFVII Remake do something similar instead of them filling Midgar with Spider-Man level side quests.
 
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I think the thing about Yakuza sidequests is that typically they're more about the writing than about the actual gameplay. Virtually all of them DO involve walking to a place and talking to a person, and MOST of them end in a fight, but the circumstances and the personalities of the people you encounter make them worth it.
Yeah, totally.

But I agree with this poster on the issue:

But Witcher is filled with that crap too. And the actual design of many quests is pretty poor & repetitive. Some decent stories might be attached to some side quest, though a lot of them boil down to fairly repetitive patterns by the end.

Yakuza is indeed better than Witcher at this, though. And I did more of them as a result. But at some point I just inevitably stop caring about artificial "snapshot characters" that you get to meet to solve a particular issue and then they won't go on with their lives or anything, they'll just cease to exist because their only reason for existing is interacting with you for 2 minutes.

It's a meaningless story, most of the time.

It's different when I actually get to spend time with these characters, which is why even in narrative these unique questlines with their own mechanics are the best. You don't see that kid who wanted porn ranked high in Yakuza characters poll, you see Yuki.

The payoff for most of the better substories is either a quick laugh or "that was cool", and then you don't really think about them ever again. It's shallow content.
 

PAFenix

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Lucrecia chose this over Vincent.

Eeeeeh, I'm not so sure.

I know Compilation is mostly shat upon (some of it rightfully so), but iirc in Dirge they kind of imply that Hojo forces a child onto Lucrecia. I could be remembering VERY wrong, though I wouldn't put it past fuggin Hojo to do that.
 

Bit_Reactor

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Eeeeeh, I'm not so sure.

I know Compilation is mostly shat upon (some of it rightfully so), but iirc in Dirge they kind of imply that Hojo forces a child onto Lucrecia. I could be remembering VERY wrong, though I wouldn't put it past fuggin Hojo to do that.
Yeah I never saw that as a....mutual thing. Hojo was a piece of shit.
 

Rotobit

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Oct 27, 2017
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Removed that second screenshot from my post about quests because I legit think a lot of people just saw numbers and assumed "fetch quests!!!!!"

This game really does have the most frustrating pre-release discourse I've seen in recent years, and I frequented Pokémon Sword & Shield threads
 

Spehornoob

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Removed that second screenshot from my post about quests because I legit think a lot of people just saw numbers and assumed "fetch quests!!!!!"

This game really does have the most frustrating pre-release discourse I've seen in recent years, and I frequented Pokémon Sword & Shield threads
I can understand people being a bit pessimistic. Square hasn't been great the last decade. But it does really look like some people are reading the absolute worst interpretation possible from everything released and are treating it as fact. It's definitely frustrating.
 

ultima786

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Removed that second screenshot from my post about quests because I legit think a lot of people just saw numbers and assumed "fetch quests!!!!!"

This game really does have the most frustrating pre-release discourse I've seen in recent years, and I frequented Pokémon Sword & Shield threads
People have the right to worry and question. But their trolls and cynicism is not valid and its annoying. Square has shown nothing but near perfection regarding this game and it's deserving of praise and hope.
 

Rotobit

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I can understand people being a bit pessimistic. Square hasn't been great the last decade. But it does really look like some people are reading the absolute worst interpretation possible from everything released and are treating it as fact. It's definitely frustrating.

There are absolutely things to be critical about (Square not making it clear that it's not the entire game being remade, subjective things like not being on board with additions like the smoke monsters) but yeah, in a lot of cases like this one many are judging an element of a game (side quests) based on two or three screenshots. It's absurd.
 

PlanetSmasher

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I can understand people being a bit pessimistic. Square hasn't been great the last decade. But it does really look like some people are reading the absolute worst interpretation possible from everything released and are treating it as fact. It's definitely frustrating.

I'm just prepared to be let down after KH3 launched with zero post-game content, no battle arenas and no Final Fantasy characters after spending months being like "they're holding it back to surprise us, that has to be what it is!"

It's really hard to be optimistic when Square is involved these days.
 

Balfour

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I'm just prepared to be let down after KH3 launched with zero post-game content, no battle arenas and no Final Fantasy characters after spending months being like "they're holding it back to surprise us, that has to be what it is!"

It's really hard to be optimistic when Square is involved these days.

Its hard to believe you are ever optimistic on anything tho. But at least you are consistent. Can never be let down that way I guess. But you're not wrong. SE has been like spinning a roulette
 

PlanetSmasher

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Its hard to believe you are ever optimistic on anything tho. But at least you are consistent. Can never be let down that way I guess. But you're not wrong. SE has been like spinning a roulette

The ironic part of it all is that for the most part Square's AAA releases haven't been bad on a general quality level, but even despite that they are almost ALWAYS failures at providing meaningful side and postgame content.

I have exactly two trophies missing in KH3 and I have the FFXV platinum so clearly they're doing something right, though.
 

bunkitz

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Some of the previews I've read or watched (particularly Max's) mentioned great dialogue and banter between the characters, so hopefully these side quests will have those too, regardless of what the quests will have Cloud and co. be doing. Like, it'd be fun to hear Barret or Cloud whining about killing a bunch of rats or something. Just little bits to better flesh out their relationships with each other and what they're like outside of the usual missions they do.

Now that I think about it though, Cloud probably won't complain about that and just shrug it off and get his money. Ahh, classic Cloud.
 

Balfour

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The ironic part of it all is that for the most part Square's AAA releases haven't been bad on a general quality level, but even despite that they are almost ALWAYS failures at providing meaningful side and postgame content.

I have exactly two trophies missing in KH3 and I have the FFXV platinum so clearly they're doing something right, though.

Well I don't expect a lot of post game stuff here to begin with. Definitely not post release content. They already working on part 2 so its likely aside from next gen ports with a few extras, this will be it for Part 1 aside from maybe costumes or some shit