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Quinton

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One of the flaws of Pokemon as a franchise, especially as an adult, is that everyone in the game worlds and everything in their world revolves around Pokemon. They don't live lives except through Pokemon. Go into a house of a family? The daughter says,"dad loves Pokemon too!" That's so surprising, kid. Someone in this world that likes Pokemon? I'm legitimately shocked. The scientists you meet only ever study Pokemon. Kids, boys, girls, women, men, old and young just only care about these pocket monsters. They don't have lives that exists outside of them. What sports do they play besides watching these monsters fight? What job is there besides Gym Trainer or Pokemart Assistant? It's a horrifically sterile game world due to its inherent simplicity that seems to have been done to achieve nothing but sell more toys. I mean, it's fun and charming, but this is a massive flaw I've seen that embodies the entire brunt of the series. I've never seen any other RPG series like it in how small and clinical the world feels.

Take Final Fantasy. Let's use one example, oh say, FFVII because it's the most popular. People really like Materia in that game. It's useful. But they don't live their whole lives around materia. There's more to it than just Materia despite it being a central part of the game story. You've got resorts where people enjoy the beach, geo-politics, slums where people are just trying to survive, Cetra and the Ancients, themes about the nature of man and what makes a cause good and worthy. Then you look at Pokemon and....

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Don't get me wrong. Pokemon Yellow is a great game and I don't begrudge it too much because after all, it's a Game Boy game and given the constraints, what they managed to achieve on the hardware is nothing short of awe inspiring. But later generations never got out of this Pokemon obsessed hole where anything and everything revolves around Pokemon. It makes me question how or why an adult could find such a world charming much less good. It's so sterile, cold, and one-dimensional as if its very creation is meant to sell you something.



The copy I brought up was just a cart.

Always check old cart-based games (especially DS) for whether or not it's a repro.

Oh, you're absolutely right. I've since learned my lesson. I was foolish enough to assume that GameStop wouldn't resell a counterfeit copy.
 

cdigs

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I really need to lock down one of those $80-100 copies sometime, then! I'm willing to spend that much. I dropped $70 at GameStop two years ago for what turned out to be a counterfeit, though -- that sucked.

I'm putting Xenosaga: Episode III up on eBay tonight, so hopefully it sells and I can swap that cash for HeartGold.

GameStop at least has a decent return policy, but man if they don't try to give you crap over returning something that turned out to be counterfeit.

I bet it will! Good luck!
 
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I'm still loving this but the cracks are really starting to surface. I'm still encountering Pidgey's and Ratata's well after beating Misty lol.

Also the game feels rail roaded after a point. I wanted to go back to Pallet to get Flash and can't because I'm blocked off and can't go past Cerulean City due to a dead end. I want my Cut. lol
 

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I'm still loving this but the cracks are really starting to surface. I'm still encountering Pidgey's and Ratata's well after beating Misty lol.

Also the game feels rail roaded after a point. I wanted to go back to Pallet to get Flash and can't because I'm blocked off and can't go past Cerulean City due to a dead end. I want my Cut. lol

Yep. Original Kanto is horrible, every route looks basically the same and it's the same 5 pokemon available everywhere. It wasn't until Ruby and Sapphire that Gamefreak started properly using a variety of environments for different routes, with a diversity of pokemon to match the different environments
 
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Yep. Original Kanto is horrible, every route looks basically the same and it's the same 5 pokemon available everywhere. It wasn't until Ruby and Sapphire that Gamefreak started properly using a variety of environments for different routes, with a diversity of pokemon to match the different environments

I still think despite the flaws that it's a better game than X and Sun. Also, seems the game opened up a bit. At Vermillion City you can get straight on SS Anne, journey Lavender Town, or go east and encounter Snorlax. It's not as railroaded as I thought and the world is far more interesting than modern Poke titles I've played.

It's also brought back the Pokemon love I used to have. I'm actually excited to play GSC and see how it improves on the original.
 

makonero

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I still think despite the flaws that it's a better game than X and Sun. Also, seems the game opened up a bit. At Vermillion City you can get straight on SS Anne, journey Lavender Town, or go east and encounter Snorlax. It's not as railroaded as I thought and the world is far more interesting than modern Poke titles I've played.

It's also brought back the Pokemon love I used to have. I'm actually excited to play GSC and see how it improves on the original.
RBY and GSC are not afraid to let you miss things. Hidden items, entire routes that are optional, a gym order that isn't set in stone, and plenty of optional dungeons. The games are still incredibly well designed, even with all their now-obvious flaws.
 

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I still think G1 has the best collection of new Pokemon and they never really lived up to that again, though not for lack of trying.
 
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RBY and GSC are not afraid to let you miss things. Hidden items, entire routes that are optional, a gym order that isn't set in stone, and plenty of optional dungeons. The games are still incredibly well designed, even with all their now-obvious flaws.

Yeah I'm miffed I can't go back and get the Clefairy I missed at Mt. Moon but at the same time I like that I can't go back either.
 

makonero

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Yeah I'm miffed I can't go back and get the Clefairy I missed at Mt. Moon but at the same time I like that I can't go back either.
It'll open up a little more soon, once you hit vermilion. Then it is a little railroaded again until you go through rock tunnel (easily the worst part of the game, what a boring slog)
 
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Holy shit, once you get Cut this game just blows the fuck up. Yessss! If only the Pokemon variety were better. Fucking Pidgey and Ratata.
 

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Holy shit, once you get Cut this game just blows the fuck up. Yessss! If only the Pokemon variety were better. Fucking Pidgey and Ratata.

Yeah, I really think Crystal will end up as "your game" when everything is said and done. It's definitely not a perfect entry, and I think one of it's flaws is that you don't have access to the mareep family line. But it is everything great about the first two with some of the best music in the series. Dark Cave being the standout cave theme in the series to my ears.
 

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Black 2 iirc was gym after gym after gym and boring dungeons. Last gym I remember in Black 2 was some boring gym that was a spider web gym. It was really boring.

That's definitely a valid criticism. It has a weird second half that changes the pacing entirely, but it's very straightforward in what it's going for.

One of the things that stands out to me in B2W2 is the music. I think Unova really resonates with me because it's a celebration of music. Something they did with the second game was give each gym it's own remix of the main gym theme. The spider gym should have been boring to me, but it has one of my favorite gym themes in the series and really enhances the atmosphere:



It's like this the entire game with constant new tracks and eventually remixes of all the old gym, elite 4, and champion themes. I don't think that's what you're looking for, but sound is one of the first things I look forward to in a new entry. Pokemon all these years later still sound like Pokemon and that's something that appeals to me.
 
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A legitimate copy of HeartGold or SoulSilver typically goes for a couple hundred bucks now, just so you know.

that's the one Pokémon game that absolutely justifies getting a re-release. I don't care how it's done if it's a mobile port only or a switch, handheld mode only port with barely any effort. Gamefreak can somehow watch that game get resold for hundreds and ignore the sales potential by repackaging that game. The only way to actually play it without bleeding your bank is to pirate it or buy dodgy repros.

they did it for the gameboy colour games on the 3ds I don't know why gamefreak never did more re releases.
 
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Yeah, I really think Crystal will end up as "your game" when everything is said and done. It's definitely not a perfect entry, and I think one of it's flaws is that you don't have access to the mareep family line. But it is everything great about the first two with some of the best music in the series. Dark Cave being the standout cave theme in the series to my ears.

It really sucks because I cannot find Crystal locally while I can find Gold and Silver easily.
 
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Said fuck it and ordered Pokemon Crystal from Amazon. 100% Authentic, 120 bucks, paid with Amazon Credit Card.
 

dlauv

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Gen 1 was the closest to a WRPG the games get.
 

Joltik

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that's the one Pokémon game that absolutely justifies getting a re-release. I don't care how it's done if it's a mobile port only or a switch, handheld mode only port with barely any effort. Gamefreak can somehow watch that game get resold for hundreds and ignore the sales potential by repackaging that game. The only way to actually play it without bleeding your bank is to pirate it or buy dodgy repros.

they did it for the gameboy colour games on the 3ds I don't know why gamefreak never did more re releases.
They could easily remake them with the BD/SP engine.
 
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What is it about the originals that holds such charm?

The remake lacks lighting, characters are flat, character designs look like blobs. It looks horrific to me. I looked at the trailer earlier, having zero nostalgia (I haven't played either Diamond or Pearl) and wanted to wash my eyes out with bleach. If I were an actual fan of the game, given the power of the Nintendo Switch, I would be utterly pissed by that effort, especially given the aesthetics of ORAS and Let's Go. Holy shit those Diamond and Pearl remakes look TERRIBLE. I feel for the fans of the game who were looking forward to a remake. I'm not a graphic whore at all, but MY GOD.

I saw a fan trailer that utterly decimated the official remake and got me pumped. If only it were real.
 
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The remake lacks lighting, characters are flat, character designs look like blobs. It looks horrific to me. I looked at the trailer earlier, having zero nostalgia (I haven't played either Diamond or Pearl) and wanted to wash my eyes out with bleach. If I were an actual fan of the game, given the power of the Nintendo Switch, I would be utterly pissed by that effort, especially given the aesthetics of ORAS and Let's Go. Holy shit those Diamond and Pearl remakes look TERRIBLE. I feel for the fans of the game who were looking forward to a remake. I'm not a graphic whore at all, but MY GOD.

I saw a fan trailer that utterly decimated the official remake and got me pumped. If only it were real.

I'm playing Platinum right now (literally) and I started it around November. In anticipation of this year's (now more than ever) inevitable announcement of the remakes.

It's a beauty, but I don't know if it is nostalgia saying that.
 
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Gen 1 was the closest to a WRPG the games get.

I hate how people say anything slightly open is wrpg like. It's basically Dragon Quest. In DQ there are locked doors that hide secrets and cool stuff. The games tease locked doors and where you can and can't go. Eventually you get things like the magic key which let's you get past sealed doors. It's no different than Cut except you're using a key to open doors rather than use a cut ability. DQ even has a zoom, an ability that lets you teleport to any location you've been to. No different than Pokemon's Fly ability.

This is nothing like a wrpg. It's very strictly within the confines and traditions of the jrpg. If you like Pokemon for adventure you would shit your pants with a DQ game. Pokemon basically combines the adventuring of DQ with the monster collecting of Shin Megami Tensei. To compare it to a wrpg is a erroneous.
 
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dlauv

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I hate how people say anything slightly open is wrpg like. It's basically Dragon Quest. In DQ there are locked doors that hide secrets and cool stuff. The games tease locked doors and where you can and can't go. Eventually you thinks like the silver key and later on, for even better stuff, the master key. It's no different than Cut except you're using a key to open doors rather than use a cut ability. DQ even has a zoom, an ability that lets you teleport to any location you've been to. No different than Pokemon's Fly ability.

This is nothing like a wrpg. It's very strictly within the confines and traditions of the jrpg. If you like Pokemon for adventure you would shit your pants with a DQ game. Pokemon basically combines the adventuring of DQ with the monster collecting of Shin Megami Tensei. To compare it to a wrpg is a erroneous.
I've played DQ3 and DQ11; and, DQ3 was more like a WRPG than Pokemon, while DQ11 was more of a JRPG than Pokemon. In later Pokemon games the player agency is expanded albeit the games become more breezy to the point where player agency matters less. It's not so much about "openness." I didn't say that the game is *not* a JRPG (in fact my post reads opposite), but it should be noted that JRPGs' "confines and traditions" are just curated pnp mechanics formatted for video game consoles - pnp mechanics that WRPGs tended to better represent (for a while because they specifically licensed adnd systems). But I should have known better than to use such a charged and arbitrarily valued initialism such as a WRPG or JRPG.
 
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The remake lacks lighting, characters are flat, character designs look like blobs. It looks horrific to me. I looked at the trailer earlier, having zero nostalgia (I haven't played either Diamond or Pearl) and wanted to wash my eyes out with bleach. If I were an actual fan of the game, given the power of the Nintendo Switch, I would be utterly pissed by that effort, especially given the aesthetics of ORAS and Let's Go. Holy shit those Diamond and Pearl remakes look TERRIBLE. I feel for the fans of the game who were looking forward to a remake. I'm not a graphic whore at all, but MY GOD.

I saw a fan trailer that utterly decimated the official remake and got me pumped. If only it were real.
🤷‍♀️ While there are some fans of the games who are disappointed that the remake doesn't look like SwSh or Let's Go, there are others who are perfectly fine with the look of them. Different strokes for different folks.

Ideally, I would have liked it resemble SwSh since previous remakes where based on the latest gen engine, but it seems like Game Freak is using that for the more ambitious Pokemon Legends.

I'd probably get the BD/SP some time in the future at a discounted price since I haven't played these games before(and people seem to gush about them), and it's cheaper that way than to pay a whole lot of cash for a(hopefully legit) cart.
 

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🤷‍♀️ While there are some fans of the games who are disappointed that the remake doesn't look like SwSh or Let's Go, there are others who are perfectly fine with the look of them. Different strokes for different folks.

Ideally, I would have liked it resemble SwSh since previous remakes where based on the latest gen engine, but it seems like Game Freak is using that for the more ambitious Pokemon Legends.

I'd probably get the BD/SP some time in the future at a discounted price since I haven't played these games before(and people seem to gush about them), and it's cheaper that way than to pay a whole lot of cash for a(hopefully legit) cart.
(pokemon games very very rarely have discounted prices, even used they are like $5 off at most)
 

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I think you'd LOVE Lets Go (I have Lets Go Eevee and I think its my second favorite pokemon game behind Crystal.)
 
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I think you'd LOVE Lets Go (I have Lets Go Eevee and I think its my second favorite pokemon game behind Crystal.)

I tried the demo and was confused. How come I only fight it comes to other trainers? Still fucking loved it and want to play the full game. I'm going in order here though. So have patience with me. :)

I've played DQ3 and DQ11; and, DQ3 was more like a WRPG than Pokemon, while DQ11 was more of a JRPG than Pokemon. In later Pokemon games the player agency is expanded albeit the games become more breezy to the point where player agency matters less. It's not so much about "openness." I didn't say that the game is *not* a JRPG (in fact my post reads opposite), but it should be noted that JRPGs' "confines and traditions" are just curated pnp mechanics formatted for video game consoles - pnp mechanics that WRPGs tended to better represent (for a while because they specifically licensed adnd systems). But I should have known better than to use such a charged and arbitrarily valued initialism such as a WRPG or JRPG.
Fair enough. I just have a pet peeve when people call anything slightly open as wrpg like.
 

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Reading your experiences is very interesting. I'm glad your enjoying Yellow, although you are seeing some of the cracks. I do have a couple of notes

More regional based Pokemon. Limited number of Pokemon is better. In some cases, less is more. I can barely remember all of the Pokemon Types in modern games and the tradition of trying to put in every single Pokemon there ever was in every game has obviously had negative results. For one, fans always expect it which spoils them. Two, it makes no sense, naturally, for every creature to be available in a particular part of the world. Three, it's just too much. Shin Megami Tensei gets it and limits demons you can acquire each new game. Pokemon's obsession with more, more, more is a negative, not a positive. Over the 20 year history Pokemon has amassed almost 1000 Pokemon, maybe they've exceeded that number. Is every Pokemon going to need 1000 Pokemon? This isn't feasible much less maintainable. GameFreak should have cut their losses ages ago and started going for limited dexes. Apparently Black and White 1 has a limited dex. Smart design decision that apparently had blowback. This is why you never listen to your fans, who in this case, are obviously wrong, and trust your designers vision.

For the record here, they all do. Every game since Gold & Silver has had a limited Dex, with more unlocking after postgame but no game having every Pokémon. Each game has a limited regional dex and is missing a lot of Pokémon

Ruby & Sapphire had 202 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 202 of 386
Emerald had 202 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 220 or 386
Diamond & Pearl had 150 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 443 of 493
Platinum had 210 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 437 of 493
HeartGold & SoulSilver had 256 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 451 of 493
Black & White had 156 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 469 of 649
Black 2 & White 2 had 300 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 482 of 649
X & Y had 450 in the Regional Pokédex (3 Regional Pokédexes of 150 each). Total available: 593 of 721
Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire had 211 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available: 477 of 721
Sun & Moon had 302 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available: 383 of 802
Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon had 403 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available: 561 of 807
Sword & Shield (Base) had 400 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available 400 of 890 (435 coded in)
Sword & Shield EX (DLC) has 583 in the Regional Pokédexes (400, 211 and 210 in 3 Regional Pokédexes with some crossover between the 3). Total available: 653 of 898 (662 coded in)

No Pokémon game has all Pokémon available in it. They've all either needed transfer or trade and each has a limited Regional Pokédex so you won't find things outside of that until post-game.

Black & White didn't cut the Pokédex. It just didn't have any old Pokémon until post-game. Sword & Shield did literally cut the ones not available (for various reasons, many people don't actually know, understand or realise) and there was blowback. However every Pokémon game has been missing quite a few since Ruby & Sapphire.

Less handholding/talking. Modern Pokemon games are rife with constant game interruptions, handholding, telling you how to do this, telling where you go, how to achieve that. It's mind numbingly condescending and dull to the point where I am actually embarrassed to play a modern Pokemon and question how most adult fans don't feel similarly. Pokemon Yellow lets you travel whereever you can that's permitted or not gate kept and you can make mistakes along the way. This makes for a more involving experience. The less interruptions there are the more it's about *your* adventure

They have mitigated this to a point. Now they do ask you if you need a primer at the start of the game for Pokémon Centers, Catching etc., and you can say no and it just doesn't bother. It still does tell you where to go next and has story points of characters talking, but most games do? Really that hasn't changed much in the last few generations, even back to Gen 4. It was so egregious in Gen 5 that I didn't realise until I jumped back.



I would say maybe give Sword & Shield a try, but it does have some of the same tropes you don't like. They are listening to constructive feedback though so maybe your thoughts will be addressed. You may like Let's Go as has been suggested, but it does have a bit of stop start "handholding", and the mechanics are stripped back a bit. It's a fun game though :) I just wish it didn't remove Wild Pokémon battles
 
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My reply went out the second the power outage hsppened. Now it's gone. I'll try to replicate it as best as I can.

Fist off, I'm honored the esteemed Serebii has read and replied to my thread.

I'd like to address one main thing.

For the record here, they all do. Every game since Gold & Silver has had a limited Dex, with more unlocking after postgame but no game having every Pokémon. Each game has a limited regional dex and is missing a lot of Pokémon

Ruby & Sapphire had 202 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 202 of 386
Emerald had 202 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 220 or 386
Diamond & Pearl had 150 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 443 of 493
Platinum had 210 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 437 of 493
HeartGold & SoulSilver had 256 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 451 of 493
Black & White had 156 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 469 of 649
Black 2 & White 2 had 300 in the Regional Dex. Total available: 482 of 649
X & Y had 450 in the Regional Pokédex (3 Regional Pokédexes of 150 each). Total available: 593 of 721
Omega Ruby & Alpha Sapphire had 211 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available: 477 of 721
Sun & Moon had 302 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available: 383 of 802
Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon had 403 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available: 561 of 807
Sword & Shield (Base) had 400 in the Regional Pokédex. Total available 400 of 890 (435 coded in)
Sword & Shield EX (DLC) has 583 in the Regional Pokédexes (400, 211 and 210 in 3 Regional Pokédexes with some crossover between the 3). Total available: 653 of 898 (662 coded in)

No Pokémon game has all Pokémon available in it. They've all either needed transfer or trade and each has a limited Regional Pokédex so you won't find things outside of that until post-game.

Black & White didn't cut the Pokédex. It just didn't have any old Pokémon until post-game. Sword & Shield did literally cut the ones not available (for various reasons, many people don't actually know, understand or realise) and there was blowback. However every Pokémon game has been missing quite a few since Ruby & Sapphire.

I think the main reason my opinion on regional dex is because X was the first Pokemon since Blue I completed and X according to you and many has the largest amount of regional Pokemon besides SwSh. Going from 151 Pokemon to over 400 felt too much to me. I was ignorant of the history of these Pokemon and while I fell in love with monsters like Lucario and Emolga (<3 Emolga!!) so much of it felt like a massively bloated roster to me. When playing ORAS it felt more maintained and curated compared to XY's girthy monster numbers. I recall catching over 100 Pokemon in X (a feat that should feel like a victory) and feeling nothing. It felt it was just sheer quantity for the sake of it and I thoroughly disliked that. This complaint applies to Sun and Moon. I greatly dislike 3d Pokemon ideology of "more is better" and think the perfect number for a regional dex hovers between 200-300. 151 is obviously too few, an issue that shows its face the more Pidgeys and Ratata's I fight, which in turn gives Pokemon of variety have false scarcity.

So because of that negative association of too many Pokemon in modern 3d titles I now associate it with almost all modern Pokemon games despite it apparently varying from game to game.

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It still does tell you where to go next and has story points of characters talking, but most games do?

True. Most games do. But most games aren't RPGs and having npcs treat the player like some tourist in their own world. That's the problem. The world building and storytelling isn't done in an FFX-like organic manner. It's all stuffed in your face. Let's explain this and let's explain that. Sometimes things the player, someone who lives in the world of Pokemon, should know. Like what Pokemon Gyms are. It's like a 10 year in our times asking what the internet is. When you're being talked at rather than being told an organic, well told story that assumes you will be able to figure some things out for yourself it creates a disconnect that takes you out of the game.
 
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My reply went out the second the power outage hsppened. Now it's gone. I'll try to replicate it as best as I can.

Fist off, I'm honored the esteemed Serebii has read and replied to my thread.

I'd to address one main thing.



I think the main reason my opinion on regional dex is because X was the first Pokemon since Blue I completed and X according to you and many has the largest amount of regional Pokemon besides SwSh. Going from 151 Pokemon to over 400 felt too much to me. I was ignorant of the history of these Pokemon and while I fell in love with monsters like Lucario and Emolga (<3 Emolga!!) so much of it felt likely a massively bloated roster to me. When playing ORAS it felt more maintained and curated compared to XY's girthy monster numbers. I recall catching over 100 Pokemon (a feat that should feel like a victory) and feeling nothing. It felt it was just sheer quantity for the sake of it I thoroughly disliked that. This complaint to Sun and Moon. I greatly dislike 3d Pokemon ideology of "more is better" and think the perfect number for a regional dex hovers between 200-300. 151 is obviously too few, an issue that shows its face I face more Pidgeys and Ratata's by making Pokemon of variety have false scarcity.

So because of that negative association of too Pokemon in modern 3d titles I now associate it with almost all modern Pokemon games despite it apparently varying from game to game.

As for the rest


True. Most games do. But most games aren't RPGs and having npcs treat the player like some tourist in their own world. That's the problem. The world building and storytelling isn't done in an FFX-like organic manner. It's all stuffed in your face. Let's explain this and let's explain that. Sometimes things the player, someone who lives in the world of Pokemon, should know. Like what Pokemon Gyms are. It's like a 10 year in our times asking what the internet is. When you're being talked at rather than being told an organic, well told story that assumes you will be able to figure some things out for yourself it creates a disconnect that takes you out of the game.
Both fair points :) They do seem to be improving with the world building etc. at least, will have to see how Legends Arceus and Gen 9 go


I can see why XY's was a bit daunting jumping up from the 151 of RBY and 211 of ORAS

Personally, I do think up to 400 is the sweetspot for a Regional Dex. It helps provide variety so you go from route to route and don't often deal with the same Pokémon. So no continual Pidgey or Pidgeotto in each route and so forth. Sword & Shield and Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon do this well, with each route and area being a different biome so you get different Pokémon in general, all set to the area, though some do carry over to multiple places.

Sword & Shield is only bigger because of two big new areas added in DLC and addresses things in a similar way, so most areas have different Pokémon.
 

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My sweet spot for a regional dex is 300. I dont like huge ones either but ORAS felt too repetitive
 
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Both fair points :) They do seem to be improving with the world building etc. at least, will have to see how Legends Arceus and Gen 9 go


I can see why XY's was a bit daunting jumping up from the 151 of RBY and 211 of ORAS

Personally, I do think up to 400 is the sweetspot for a Regional Dex. It helps provide variety so you go from route to route and don't often deal with the same Pokémon. So no continual Pidgey or Pidgeotto in each route and so forth. Sword & Shield and Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon do this well, with each route and area being a different biome so you get different Pokémon in general, all set to the area, though some do carry over to multiple places.

Sword & Shield is only bigger because of two big new areas added in DLC and addresses things in a similar way, so most areas have different Pokémon.

That's fair. What's so much better about Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon? I might get them. I'm falling in love with Pokemon all over again and playing every main game in order. With the blessing of Reset Era hopefully I use this thread for precisely that. :)
 

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I'm incredibly excited for you to get to Johto. I want to see if them being the best games is just my jaded nostalgia...
 
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I'm incredibly excited for you to get to Johto. I want to see if them being the best games is just my jaded nostalgia...

Ha! I was so excited for the next generation of Pokemon. I saw Pokemon The Movie day one. I think I watched a really, really bad episode of the anime, which I watched every Saturday and just completely lost interest in Pokemon. I can't explain what happened but it just did. I'm excited to finally experience it after a twenty year wait. I think what probably turned me off was how the anime and Pokemon in general felt like it was dragging its feet getting to the new generation of Pokemon. They introduced Pokemon like Togepi and Azurill to the anime and it felt like filler after filler just waiting and when you're a kid a year feels forever. I'm really looking forward to finally playing it.

Honestly I'm not sure if it was a mistake or not going with Crystal and not just skip Soul Silver. Guess we will see!
 

Aprikurt

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Ha! I was so excited for the next generation of Pokemon. I saw Pokemon The Movie day one. I think I watched a really, really bad episode of the anime, which I watched every Saturday and just completely lost interest in Pokemon. I can't explain what happened but it just did. I'm excited to finally experience it after a twenty year wait. I think what probably turned me off was how the anime and Pokemon in general felt like it was dragging its feet getting to the new generation of Pokemon. They introduced Pokemon like Togepi and Azurill to the anime and it felt like filler after filler just waiting and when you're a kid a year feels forever. I'm really looking forward to finally playing it.

Honestly I'm not sure if it was a mistake or not going with Crystal and not just skip Soul Silver. Guess we will see!
I remember it well man. The indignant adolescent rage of how DARE they show a Pokemon in the anime I can't catch in my damn game

I mean if you connected well with the original Yellow there's no reason Crystal won't tickle your fancy. HG/SS are wonderful remakes though, like some of the best.
 

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That's fair. What's so much better about Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon? I might get them. I'm falling in love with Pokemon all over again and playing every main game in order. With the blessing of Reset Era hopefully I use this thread for precisely that. :)
Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon added a bit more variety in Pokémon and it trimmed down a load of the first island tutorial. It resonates more with me due to its Sci-Fi plot though
 

Aaron

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I won a copy of Pokemon Crystal in a Kids' WB! contest that came preloaded with Celebi, Surfing Pikachu, the three legendary birds, and a Suicune.

I sold it at a GameStop for $30.

A complete copy of Crystal just sold on eBay on March 26 for $727.

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It was actually $727.69. Nice.