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Space Lion

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May 24, 2019
1,015
Full disclosure: Pokemon Red and Blue came out when I was 12. I was the perfect age. I remember watching the premiere to Pokemon's cartoon the first week 7th grade started. It was all my friend, Jonathon, and I could talk about. Pretty soon the whole grade was obsessed and we talked about it in between what was happening on TRL or WWF/WCW. I soon found out there was a Pokemon game, dusted my Game Boy Pocket, and my dad bought me a copy of Blue. I loved that game and the entire social experience that came with it. I was so proud when I got my 151. By the time time I was 15 in 2000 I was all Pokemon'd out and dropped it. I never played Gold or Silver.

I didn't play a single Pokemon game until Black 2. I heard great things about Black and White and how they were refreshing takes on the franchise so I figured I'd give the sequel a shot. I was utterly bored. I think I quit after the third or fourth Gym. Something about it couldn't maintain my attention.

I gave Pokemon X a try a few years later. It was okay. I liked it. I managed to beat it, unlike Black 2, which is something I can give it credit for, but I didn't think it was great or memorable. It was just a fairly okay-ish RPG to play at the time.

I got Alpha Sapphire and fucking loved it. Finally, the Pokemon magic came back. I loved stalking Pokemon and treating it like this Pokemon safari simulator. I was addicted to catching each and every Pokemon in every area. I couldn't get enough.

Then I got Sun. Again, I couldn't manage to beat it. It was so boring to me.

I hadn't touched a Pokemon game since and just figured maybe the franchise wasn't for me and that ORAS was just an aberration. It also seemed like what the Pokemon fanbase cared about and what I (a casual Pokemon observer) wanted from the franchise were entirely different. I couldn't give two shits about a full Pokedex, for example. This entire dilemma made me question what I ever saw in Pokemon Blue. "I loved that game to death. Was it actually good or am I crazy?"

I recently got a Game Boy Color to play Tetris with. I hate how Tetris on my phone just drains my battery so I figured I'd go with the real thing. Somehow, some way I lucked out and got a copy of Pokemon Yellow. I figured I'd try it.

I hadn't played Gen 1 in over 20 years. I have almost no nostalgia for it beyond the social experience. I forgot how the games were crafted, much less what their design ethos was like. A few hours into Yellow and I can safely say this is precisely what I want from Pokemon.

Things Pokemon Yellow does better than modern Pokemon. This list is quite long and from only the first two or three hours:
  1. More regional based Pokemon. Limited number of Pokemon is better. In some cases, less is more. I can barely remember all of the Pokemon Types in modern games and the tradition of trying to put in every single Pokemon there ever was in every game has obviously had negative results. For one, fans always expect it which spoils them. Two, it makes no sense, naturally, for every creature to be available in a particular part of the world. Three, it's just too much. Shin Megami Tensei gets it and limits demons you can acquire each new game. Pokemon's obsession with more, more, more is a negative, not a positive. Over the 20 year history Pokemon has amassed almost 1000 Pokemon, maybe they've exceeded that number. Is every Pokemon going to need 1000 Pokemon? This isn't feasible much less maintainable. GameFreak should have cut their losses ages ago and started going for limited dexes. Apparently Black and White 1 has a limited dex. Smart design decision that apparently had blowback. This is why you never listen to your fans, who in this case, are obviously wrong, and trust your designers vision.
  2. Less handholding/talking. Modern Pokemon games are rife with constant game interruptions, handholding, telling you how to do this, telling where you go, how to achieve that. It's mind numbingly condescending and dull to the point where I am actually embarrassed to play a modern Pokemon and question how most adult fans don't feel similarly. Pokemon Yellow lets you travel whereever you can that's permitted or not gate kept and you can make mistakes along the way. This makes for a more involving experience. The less interruptions there are the more it's about *your* adventure
  3. It's not as cute. Modern Pokemon games really want to make the main character feel special with constant sucking up and buddy time from losers like the dancing kid in Pokemon X. Gary is a full on *jerk*. He steals the Pokemon (Eevee) Prof. Oak meant to gift you, he tells his sister not to give you a map. You want to kick his ass every time he showed up. Each time I kick his ass I just feel so smug for wiping the prick in asphalt. Modern Pokemon gives no such satisfaction.
  4. Better resource management. Once upon a time, RPGs were about decisions. How much money you have, how many are in your party;etc. In modern Pokemon you have endless supply of cash. I've never questioned what to buy or when because I always have a full stock of options. But in Pokemon Yellow you have actual decision-making. Potions cost 300p, Pokeballs cost 200p. even with 3000-4000p you're going to make some choices due to expense unless you're one of those people that enjoy grinding (I don't, so I don't do it). This makes each Pokeball thrown all the more suspenseful because you know that shit is going to cost you 300 bucks and it better fucking catch it. Then there's the fact there's wide encompassing features that make things ridiculously boring like XP Share feature. Switching my Pokemon around when I need to concentrate on different creatures makes it truly feel like *my* team.
  5. Better flow and adventure. This encapsulates all prior issues, between the constant cutscenes, the handholding, endless assortment of options, and linear design flow. In Pokemon Yellow you truly feel like you're on an adventure and it's *great*. You can pass by Indigo Plateau at the beginning of the game and I forgot how much the game steels you with a resolve to get better and haul ass and truly be the best there ever was. Modern Pokemon games have no such drive. You're always this special fuck with latent talent who seems to have everything handed to them, from Mega Evolution shit to whatever the fuck was going on in Pokemon Sun.
For the longest time I've asked,"what do people see in this shit?" I chalked up my Pokemon Blue love for being just a thing of the times. That it wasn't actually good, I was just really into it because everyone else was. The whole "Gen Wunners" thing helped make me feel this way even more. For years I've considered the thought that maybe Pokemon was never actually good and it was just hype. Turns out I was wrong and these games were actually *good*.

It sucks I can't trade with people with a real Game Boy these days.

Once I finish Yellow I'm going to get Crystal and finally go through Gold/Silver and then I'll play Emerald, Platinum, and finally Black 1.
I'm really looking forward to the new Pokemon that's coming out. Not the ugly one. It looks like it will embody the safari/Pokemon stalker aspect I loved about ORAS so much. Maybe there's hope for me as a Pokemon fan after all.
 
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Space Lion

Space Lion

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May 24, 2019
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That looks sick. I thought Mega Pokemon fans hated it though? Isn't it supposed to be bad?
 

BigDaddyCool

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Nov 29, 2020
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This is a good post. I think you'll enjoy gen 2 as it is consistent with gen 1 in terms of all the things you like about it.

I honestly think the games peaked in gen 2.
 

Zukuu

Member
Oct 30, 2017
6,809
I played Red and Silver when I was a kid.

After 20+ years I finally played Pokemon Sword... and it's dreadfully boring. Story, characters, enviroment and battlesystem - everything is super bland and uninspired.
The actual Pokemon designs are the only really cool thing.

Even playing with with a SOLE Psyduck, it's the easiest shit ever.
 

Calamari41

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,099
My friend, you need to find a way to play Heart Gold/Soul Silver. It's arguably the best Pokemon game made, a very faithful remake that is just stellar from beginning to end. I'm actually finishing up a playthrough now for the first time since it came out and it's got me amped up.

It's really hard to find I guess, so if the original Gold/Silver is your only option, you're still going to love it. But HG/SS is just really something special.
 
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Space Lion

Space Lion

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May 24, 2019
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I played Red and Silver when I was a kid.

After 20+ years I finally played Pokemon Sword... and it's dreadfully boring. Story, characters, enviroment and battlesystem - everything is super bland and uninspired.
The actual Pokemon designs are the only really cool thing.

Even playing with with a SOLE Psyduck, it's the easiest shit ever.

Modern Pokemon is horrendous, dude. Give ORAS a shot. I fucking loooove it. It's jam packed with personality.
 

Truno

Unshakable Resolve
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Jan 16, 2020
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I'm glad you're enjoying it! It's hard for me to go back to the gen one games due to the limited moves that are offered for each Pokemon and the lack of mechanics/staples that were introduced in future entries. If you enjoyed them, I'm positive you'll also find enjoyment with Crystal (although some might recommend the remakes called HeartGold/SoulSilver). If you're a fan of catching em' all, you might enjoy the fact that these remakes followed upon Yellow's innovation of introducing walking Pokemon (albeit only Pikachu). Any Pokemon in your party can follow you as long as they're in the first slot. My only criticism with these games is the variety of usable Pokemon is probably the most shallow in the entire series, but if it's your first play-through then it shouldn't be a noticeable issue. Fun fact, these remakes were so un-linear that I managed to skip 2 gyms accidentally by grinding and going off where I shouldn't, lol.

Personally, Black and White are my favorites. It pushed the boundaries of what a DS Pokemon game could look like by animating all existing Pokemon. They have the most acclaimed story in the series and they do have a limited dex. The game forces you to use Pokemon that are introduced within Unova (region of those games) until you unlock the national pokedex. Back in the day people criticized the hell out of it because of this ("but my charizard!") but I thought of it as a breath of fresh air. Unfortunately the region is linear by design, but I didn't find it mind-numbingly linear nor hand-holdy as Sun and Moon. The routes are still varied and not single-filed lines that are a common stable nowadays.

Black and White 2 pursued the opposite. The story of those games are very forgettable, but the amount of post-game/side content is incredible. It was a love-letter to fans who play Pokemon solely for the gameplay.
 
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Space Lion

Space Lion

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May 24, 2019
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My friend, you need to find a way to play Heart Gold/Soul Silver. It's arguably the best Pokemon game made, a very faithful remake that is just stellar from beginning to end. I'm actually finishing up a playthrough now for the first time since it came out and it's got me amped up.

It's really hard to find I guess, so if the original Gold/Silver is your only option, you're still going to love it. But HG/SS is just really something special.

I saw Soul Silver once a long time ago but didn't have the cash for it. It was 50 bucks. If I like Crystal, I'll get Soul Silver. :)

By the way, my local game shop has Gold and Silver but not Crystal. Is Crystal that much better?
 

Truno

Unshakable Resolve
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Jan 16, 2020
4,841
I played Red and Silver when I was a kid.

After 20+ years I finally played Pokemon Sword... and it's dreadfully boring. Story, characters, enviroment and battlesystem - everything is super bland and uninspired.
The actual Pokemon designs are the only really cool thing.

Even playing with with a SOLE Psyduck, it's the easiest shit ever.

You'll find that a lot of Pokemon fans will probably think alike. The best thing about Sword and Shield were the additions to the Pokemon roster, the region variants and the QOL improvements. Everything else that you'd want out of a RPG is laughably bad (villain, characters, towns, motive for 'bad guys', etc). I'd recommend checking out some of the other fan acclaimed ones; Sword and Shield represents some of the worst entries in the franchise IMO.

I saw Soul Silver once a long time ago but didn't have the cash for it. It was 50 bucks. If I like Crystal, I'll get Soul Silver. :)

By the way, my local game shop has Gold and Silver but not Crystal. Is Crystal that much better?

Crystal lets you play as a girl, so it's immediately better. It also has the most content out of the original gen 2 games for your buck, so it's worth it.
 

Calamari41

Member
Oct 25, 2017
7,099
I saw Soul Silver once a long time ago but didn't have the cash for it. It was 50 bucks. If I like Crystal, I'll get Soul Silver. :)

By the way, my local game shop has Gold and Silver but not Crystal. Is Crystal that much better?

I actually never played Crystal but I believe it has better graphics thanks to being made for Gameboy Color, and it allows you to capture all of the legendaries as opposed to Gold and Silver which had their own exclusives. Definitely get Crystal over one of the other two.

Heart Gold/Soul Silver also allow you to catch all of the legendaries, as well as a bunch of others from other games, for what it's worth.
 
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Space Lion

Space Lion

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May 24, 2019
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I'm glad you're enjoying it! It's hard for me to go back to the gen one games due to the limited moves that are offered for each Pokemon and the lack of mechanics/staples that were introduced in future entries. If you enjoyed them, I'm positive you'll also find enjoyment with Crystal (although some might recommend the remakes called HeartGold/SoulSilver). If you're a fan of catching em' all, you might enjoy the fact that these remakes followed upon Yellow's innovation of introducing walking Pokemon (albeit only Pikachu). Any Pokemon in your party can follow you as long as they're in the first slot. My only criticism with these games is the variety of usable Pokemon is probably the most shallow in the entire series, but if it's your first play-through then it shouldn't be a noticeable issue. Fun fact, these remakes were so un-linear that I managed to skip 2 gyms accidentally by grinding and going off where I shouldn't, lol.

Personally, Black and White are my favorites. It pushed the boundaries of what a DS Pokemon game could look like by animating all existing Pokemon. They have the most acclaimed story in the series and they do have a limited dex. The game forces you to use Pokemon that are introduced within Unova (region of those games) until you unlock the national pokedex. Back in the day people criticized the hell out of it because of this ("but my charizard!") but I thought of it as a breath of fresh air. Unfortunately the region is linear by design, but I didn't find it mind-numbingly linear nor hand-holdy as Sun and Moon. The routes are still varied and not single-filed lines that are a common stable nowadays.

Black and White 2 pursued the opposite. The story of those games are very forgettable, but the amount of post-game/side content is incredible. It was a love-letter to fans who play Pokemon solely for the gameplay.

Should I give Black 2 another shot?
 

Taco_Human

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Jan 6, 2018
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I've been replaying yellow as well. Pokémon Stadium on the n64 let's you play at double or triple speed if you unlock it. Makes it faster to grind. I like the grinding lol.
 
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Space Lion

Space Lion

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May 24, 2019
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Why are Pokemon games so expensive? Surely one of the most popular franchises of all time had large production? It's baffling. Is it just a bunch of diehards driving prices up? What the fuck is going on?
 

Quinton

Specialist at TheGamer / Reviewer at RPG Site
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Oct 25, 2017
17,283
Midgar, With Love
Why are Pokemon games so expensive? Surely one of the most popular franchises of all time had large production? It's baffling. Is it just a bunch of diehards driving prices up? What the fuck is going on?

I actually enjoy every generation to some extent or another, but the consistent demand for copies of the games from when many adults believe the franchise peaked — exacerbated by the complete lack of digital representation — makes it all rather nuts.

I've seen Black 2 and White 2 go for even higher.
 

Apopheniac

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Oct 25, 2017
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Should I give Black 2 another shot?
Depends on why you feel like you bounced off it. I'd say going with Gold/Silver/Crystal or their remakes makes sense for your next move.

The other game that a lot of the hardcore tend to love is Platinum, which is the third version of Diamond and Pearl that made a significant number of improvements, to the point where the upcoming DP remakes are overshadowed by the question of how much they're going to use from Platinum. Platinum and DP felt very iterative coming off of Ruby and Sapphire, but since they're still in the DS era, the size of the regional Pokedex is still reasonable and you don't have Megas or nu-Exp. Share or anything like that to break the game.
 

Kyzer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Pokemon's obsession with more, more, more is a negative, not a positive. Over the 20 year history Pokemon has amassed almost 1000 Pokemon, maybe they've exceeded that number. Is every Pokemon going to need 1000 Pokemon? This isn't feasible much less maintainable. GameFreak should have cut their losses ages ago and started going for limited dexes.

Who's gonna tell OP
 

Feign

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Aug 11, 2020
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Once I finish Yellow I'm going to get Crystal and finally go through Gold/Silver and then I'll play Emerald, Platinum, and finally Black 1.
I'm really looking forward to the new Pokemon that's coming out. Not the ugly one. It looks like it will embody the safari/Pokemon stalker aspect I loved about ORAS so much. Maybe there's hope for me as a Pokemon fan after all.

Really glad you're picking up Crystal. You're going to love that. Maybe Emerald and probably Platinum.

I will say Black 2/White 2 are much better experiences after the original. It has a lot of stuff you won't like but it's done well enough that I don't think you'll mind. It also tackles the regional pokemon problem head on, something Black 2 and White 2 do not do. However, seeing the new areas and expansions really flesh out the world. It's basically fully realizing what Crystal started.

I don't think you will ever like Sun and Moon, but if you go back play the Ultra versions. I prefer the story in the original but the changes made in Ultra speed things up.
 

Apopheniac

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm talking eventually. GSC is next.
I don't know why you feel like you bounced off of it, so I couldn't say whether it's worth another shot. Couldn't hurt to jump back into the file you made, I guess. Depending on how you're playing it, you may want to see if you can enable Challenge Mode.
 

Sargerus

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The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
20,849
I hate how loud Pikachu's voice is, not to mention how bad the converted audio files from anime to the game sound like.
 

GamerJM

Member
Nov 8, 2017
15,640
That looks sick. I thought Mega Pokemon fans hated it though? Isn't it supposed to be bad?

The problem is that wild battles are replaced with what's basically a capturing minigame that's controlled with either motion or touch screen controls depending on whether you're playing docked or handheld mode. The trainer battles and everything else is the same. If not for that it would have been a fantastic remake, and in some sense it's still a lot of fun but how much you like it pretty much correlates entirely with how much you'd be willing to put up with this.

I'd recommend Crystal next since it's also minimalist in the way the gen 1 games were, but be aware that the gen 2 games infamously require replacement save batteries now.
 

Chaosblade

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Oct 25, 2017
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You gave the series a lot more chances than me. I liked gen 1, and that's in large part for the game designs reasons you mention. Gen 2 was enjoyable back in the day but I fell off the train after that. Moon was my first Pokemon game since, and it was an absolute slog. I got somewhere around halfway through it and dropped it because I wasn't enjoying it much at all.

The games need to be less story heavy with less hand holding, like you say in the OP - more about the player's adventure. Also more non-linear. RBY actually open up a decent amount mid-game and while there's an optimal order, everything between getting the Silph Scope and surfing to the island can basically be done in any order you want. They should have embraced that instead of walking it back.
 

Feign

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Aug 11, 2020
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The problem is that wild battles are replaced with what's basically a capturing minigame that's controlled with either motion or touch screen controls depending on whether you're playing docked or handheld mode. The trainer battles and everything else is the same. If not for that it would have been a fantastic remake, and in some sense it's still a lot of fun but how much you like it pretty much correlates entirely with how much you'd be willing to put up with this.

I'd recommend Crystal next since it's also minimalist in the way the gen 1 games were, but be aware that the gen 2 games infamously require replacement save batteries now.

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Grunty

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Oct 28, 2017
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Gold/Silver/Crystal is like Gen 1, but even better. You are going to love them. In fact, I'd say they are the best Pokémon games. I've played nearly all of them and so far, none have beaten them imo.
 

Truno

Unshakable Resolve
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Jan 16, 2020
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Should I give Black 2 another shot?

I'd recommend playing the Gen V games in sequential order. Black and White are complete RPGs whilst B2W2 felt like an expansion that expands on them. They focuses on expanding gameplay options and the future of the cast of the original

Also, if you ever plan on playing Gen IV, please play Platinum and ignore the existence of Diamond and Pearl. Those games are by far the slowest games in the entire series, which Platinum does its best to mitigate.

Looking forward to hearing your thoughts on Crystal
 
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Space Lion

Space Lion

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May 24, 2019
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Yellow is incredible. Having Pikachu and mostly no elemental Pokemon is a game changer. The fact every Pokemon game starts out with the same Water, Fire, Grass Pokemon is so lame and in many ways pathetic. Finally, something different.
 
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Space Lion

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Moon was my first Pokemon game since, and it was an absolute slog. I got somewhere around halfway through it and dropped it because I wasn't enjoying it much at all.

I'm really confused about the reception these games get. Are Pokemon fans and reviewers not aware how much of a snore these games can get? Comparing the reception to Sun and Moon and the actual game was a real ??? moment for me. It's absolute stinker of a game whose main asset is presentation.
 

VXLbeast

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Nov 28, 2017
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I think you raise some excellent points OP. Also, you'll adore Crystal version, I suspect. Truly a wonderful, magical gen.

Let's Go is a pretty good remake sequel of Yellow if you don't mind playing PoGo for every wild encounter.

I agree with this. I tried playing X as my first pokemon since Diamond and Pearl, and I stopped after two gyms. Didn't touch pokemon again until Let's Go Pikachu. Some very clever systems in there, though it can certainly be critiqued for being a pushover.
 

Giga Man

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
21,230
I agree with most of the OP, but I just have one caveat about #1 on your list. Every Pokemon game has had a limited regional dex. Some regional dexes are larger than others. Kalos has the largest at 457 Pokemon. The difference between this and the case of Sword and Shield is that all the data for the Pokemon existed internally in every game before SwSh, so that when you reach post-game requirements, you can transfer, trade, and battle with the entire roster of legacy Pokemon. Every game from Ruby & Sapphire to Ultra Sun & Ultra Moon was backwards compatible with each other, which is why people are upset now because even with Pokemon Bank, if a Pokemon's data doesn't exist in SwSh, you can't transfer them there.

If you're curious, you can see every regional dex here:

As for giving Black 2 another shot, I recommend trying Black 1 first. I found the story to be the best in the series by Pokemon standards and Black 2 is a continuation of that story. Black 1 also gives you more room to spend with its completely unique roster of 150 Pokemon with no legacy Pokemon in sight, which is personally why I love it. If you intend to play Crystal directly after Yellow though, just go in order of release at that point. Crystal > Emerald > Platinum > HeartGold/SoulSilver if you want to experience Johto again > Black/White > B2W2.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,550
Whenever people say "Gen 1 is impossible to enjoy today", I do a double take. I 100% agree OP. RBY might be buggy as hell, but they also are shockingly easy to play through again and again. There's very little dialogue or other nonsense to stop you, the pacing is solid with few lulls, and there's a surprising diversity of options with few of them feeling "too good".

Basically, Gen 1 is awesome and there's a reason Pokemon became a phenomenon. The original games have a lot of qualities that future generations (Hell, even generation 2) lost.
 

Aaron

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Oct 25, 2017
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I think there's a reason I've only ever completed the Pokédex in Yellow, Silver and the regional, UnovaDex in Black.


Whenever people say "Gen 1 is impossible to enjoy today", I do a double take. I 100% agree OP. RBY might be buggy as hell, but they also are shockingly easy to play through again and again. There's very little dialogue or other nonsense to stop you, the pacing is solid with few lulls, and there's a surprising diversity of options with few of them feeling "too good".

Basically, Gen 1 is awesome and there's a reason Pokemon became a phenomenon. The original games have a lot of qualities that future generations (Hell, even generation 2) lost.
I did a run recently in Blue with just a Rattata and did everything in like, ten hours. It was honestly refreshing. I'm slogging through Sword right now (near the end finally, I think) and it just feels like it's taken forever.
 

Giga Man

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Oct 27, 2017
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I wish that Game Freak catered to fans of the game design of Red & Blue and not just shove the Kanto Pokemon in our faces every new generation. That's what the "Gen Wunner" stigma means to me. They cater so hard to the love of the games but ignore the reason those games are still well-loved today. It's not just about the characters.

I would kill for another roster refresh like Black & White with the design sensibilities of somewhere between Gens 1-6.
 
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Quinton

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I'm really confused about the reception these games get. Are Pokemon fans and reviewers not aware how much of a snore these games can get? Comparing the reception to Sun and Moon and the actual game was a real ??? moment for me. It's absolute stinker of a game whose main asset is presentation.

There's plenty to like in the Alolan games. It's fine if none of it is enjoyable to you, but there's no unsolved mystery here. They're solid video games.
 

Static

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
6,110
Might be my rose tinted glasses, but Gen 1 felt like a popcorn RPG. It was so light and moresome, I couldn't put it down. Modern Pokemon feels like moving through quicksand. Thanks, I hate it.
 

Dr. Feel Good

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Oct 25, 2017
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I kind of feel bad you missed out on Gen 2 at the time. I would say most fans would argue they are the best in the series (especially so with the remakes). They took everything about the original and just fine tuned it to be better. The region, monsters, difficulty, added features, was so much that it felt like a crazy expansion while retaining what made the originals so great.

Gen 3 does a good job at preserving what's great and not completely failing but it's glaringly obvious they start the bad trajectory of over complicated storylines, dumb over world decisions, and gimmick features. Call me a bitter old player but the series lulls after Gen 3 with some bright spots along the way (peaking back with Gen 5 and 6).

the franchise needs an overhaul and find its way back to what made Gen 1 and 2 so great without just rehashing the same monsters.
 
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I kind of feel bad you missed out on Gen 2 at the time. I would say most fans would argue they are the best in the series (especially so with the remakes). They took everything about the original and just fine tuned it to be better. The region, monsters, difficulty, added features, was so much that it felt like a crazy expansion while retaining what made the originals so great.

Gen 3 does a good job at preserving what's great and not completely failing but it's glaringly obvious they start the bad trajectory of over complicated storylines, dumb over world decisions, and gimmick features. Call me a bitter old player but the series lulls after Gen 3 with some bright spots along the way (peaking back with Gen 5 and 6).

the franchise needs an overhaul and find its way back to what made Gen 1 and 2 so great without just rehashing the same monsters.

What do you think of this trailer? It's the first time I've been excited for Pokemon in a long time

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Pokemon Legends Arceus - Official Trailer

We've had Pokémon remakes but what about... pre-makes? Welcome to Pokémon Legends Arceus with this official trailer, showing off an entirely new game releasi...
 
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You need to keep us updated on your quest.

I actually just purchased the Yellow version on VC.

I've taken to trading some low level nobodies to my copies of Red/Blue VC (ah the joys of owning multiple 3DS's) and throwing them into Cerulean Cave against some Level 50-ish brutes.

Trade them back and see how I can break the game.

See, I never owned a GBC, so the Yellow Version's colours kinda make this a whole new game to me.

I mean, it is, because I can't bloody remember any of it.

I have no memory of Gary showing up just out of the blue if I go north to the nugget bridge.....

I'm passed Mt Moon, but Misty's gym is my current roadblock.

As of right now I'm actively playing:

Yellow version (VC)
Soul Silver (farming Heart Scales/evolution items for.....)
Platinum (finally playing this, enjoying it very much. Looking forward to jumping straight into the remakes)
White 2 (this is my bridge for the Gen 4 games to get them over to the current gen)
X/Y (Triage for the above)
Sun/Moon (ditto)
Sword (Crown Tundra DLC)
Shield (similar to Yellow, I'm sequence breaking by getting strong DLC pokemon for the mainline story)

Original Gen 2 and Gen 3/its remakes are my real blind-spots. There's every chance I'll grab them as well.
 

Forkball

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Oct 25, 2017
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I replayed Yellow when it hit the 3DS and yup, it's a classic game and deserves to be ranked among the best 90s JRPGs.

It still does some things better than most Pokémon games. The dungeon design is intricate with worthwhile rewards and provides a genuine challenge. Compare Silph Co., a mid game dungeon, to any dungeon that's been in Pokémon in the last decade. Silph Co. has a unique traversal system with the warps and spin panels, optional areas filled with useful items, unique rewards like Lapras and the Master Ball, and culminates with a challenging boss battle. It's everything you want a dungeon to be in an RPG.

It also has a sense of openness. It's not an open world game, but feels like it at times. You'll eventually hit a roadblock if you venture too far off, but you can get a lot further than one would think. It's also a bit unpredictable how you travel to each area. Instead of going around in a perfect circle or following a line, you are bouncing around all over the map in unexpected ways.

It's not just nostalgia, it's good game design. It's incredible that they fit this all on the Game Boy.
 

Calamari41

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Oct 25, 2017
7,099
Pokemon Let's Go looks great!

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Why Pokémon Let's Go is the Best Recent Pokémon Game

On this episode of bashing Pokemon Sword and Shield, we discuss a game that many people seem to have forgotten, but I think is highly underrated...Follow me ...

Let's Go is an absolutely wonderful game, and it's without a doubt the way I'm going to introduce my now 4 year old son to the series.

The major difference is that instead of grinding through wild battles and wasting PP, you do the catching mini game thing instead.

If you're all about those tall grass wild Pokemon fights between towns, then the game won't be for you. If you don't mind being able to actually avoid Zubats in the caves, then there's very very little not to like about Let's Go. It seriously rekindled my love for the series after X/Y killed it.
 

Giga Man

One Winged Slayer
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Oct 27, 2017
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Every time I think about buying Let's Go, I remember that it can only be played with one hand while docked and I just forget about it again.
 

Aprikurt

▲ Legend ▲
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Oct 29, 2017
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My friend, you need to find a way to play Heart Gold/Soul Silver. It's arguably the best Pokemon game made, a very faithful remake that is just stellar from beginning to end. I'm actually finishing up a playthrough now for the first time since it came out and it's got me amped up.

It's really hard to find I guess, so if the original Gold/Silver is your only option, you're still going to love it. But HG/SS is just really something special.
I've been trying to do a successful Nuzlocke run of HG for like 3 years, shits hard