FFXIV surpasses 16 million players (lifetime accounts) + highest number of subscribers before Shadowbringers

Bricktop · Jun 16, 2019

Saint-14 said:
Yes, from people who mention WoW, hmm I wonder why.

Did you bother reading your own thread? The majoirty of posts are discussion what your title and Op even means and ,no, they aren't all WoW fanboys. I mean these are just some of the confused posts, and there are dozens more that have had to clarify what you meant in the Op. Maybe stop being so defensive when it's clear that your title leads to confusion?

Keasar said:
Didn't WoW peak at around 12 million players?

WhoaIsThatMars said:
is this players or subscribers?

BlueManifest said:
It actually has 16 million monthly players or 16 million have played it?

BasilZero said:
How? I thought subs went down to 5-6 mil?

water_wendi said:
After Wow? If there were 10 million active subs Blizzard would be tweeting such news non-stop. There would be people in the streets, on stilts, with elephants and shit if Wow were at 16 million subs.

water_wendi said:
Then what is this number for? People that have played the game at all?

dimb said:
At level cap there are lots of classes near where WoW peaks when it comes to APM. WoW actually goes super low right now on certain specs to like mid 30s/40s for certain melee playstyles.

Which was a horrible change this past expansion, it didn't used to be that way. Not that it matters, because you couldn't pay me to play WoW anymore.

Chaos2Frozen · Jun 16, 2019

Apharmd said:
There are over a million active characters. And the expansion hasn't even launched. Wild. XIV is pure sub-based too, at least in the West and Japan.

I wonder how many subs World of Warcraft has now? Subs are probably as low as they've ever been, I wouldn't be surprised if FFXIV becomes the market leader in July after Shadowbringers.

That would be wild but highly unlikely. The hardcore base is still too strong in WoW despite everything.

Dream Machine said:
I wonder, would watching one of those "All story cutscenes from FFXIV" youtube videos be worth it to experience the story that people praise so much?

Hard to say.

There is definitely a lot of boring in between parts especially in the beginning. It picks up about the Lv 40 mark.

Saint-14 · Jun 16, 2019

Bricktop said:
Did you bother reading your own thread? The majoirty of posts are discussion what your title and Op even means and ,no, they aren't all WoW fanboys. I mean these are just some of the confused posts, and there are dozens more that have had to clarify what you meant in the Op. Maybe stop being so defensive when it's clear that your title leads to confusion?

And I'm still saying nothing is confusing about it, a few being confused doesn't mean anything, spare me the "defensive"narrative please.

Bricktop · Jun 16, 2019

Saint-14 said:
And I'm still saying nothing is confusing about it, a few being confused doesn't mean anything, spare me the "defensive"narrative please.

You can say whatever you want, the thread reads in a way that proves you wrong. And you are being defensive for no fucking reason. You could just have easily clarified things by editing your Op, but you chose to get upset that people have, rightfully, brought up the fact that a majority of the participants in YOUR thread are either confused or having to correct people who are confused.

But, hey, why not go another 8 pages with people coming in thinking one thing and having to be told something different because you're being stubborn and won't admit that maybe, just maybe, you could make things a little clearer in your Op?

Saint-14 · Jun 16, 2019

Bricktop said:
brought up the fact that a majority of the participants in YOUR thread are either confused or having to correct people who are confused.

This is straight up false but hey whatever narrative floats your boat, and as always, report the thread for a title change instead of whining about me sharing what SE said.

mutantmagnet · Jun 16, 2019

BasilZero said:
Damn, amazing how far FFXIV came and how far WoW fell.

I remember knowing someone who I used to play with online games (in a guild) said that WoW would never not be #1 MMO in player population and that FFXIV would never make it over 10 mil

Man how times have changed lol.

Wow still has way more subscribers. Even runescape has more subs even though they are worth much less.

Nopon_Merchant · Jun 16, 2019

Huggy said:
I really wanna get back into this game someday, never got past level 40 before but I hear the expansions are realllllly good

Then you really unlucky if you want to get back into the game. As some one play this game since ARR and clear all content , expansion got worse with each patch , less content , more game design problem , more cash shop . Currently they just homoganize all the job and dumb down the complexity to cater to bad player . They dont think about low level dungeon at all , they keep remove job skill at low level make leveling urterly boring to play for new player to push them buy "level skip Poiton". Moreover, for some job they just remove some low level skill then give back as new skill at high level with different animation.

In short if you are into ERP , rp, selfie or gay people , bad player , only play for social aspect , NEET then the game maybe perfect for you but if you are player that look for challenge and complexity then this game get worse with each expansion after HW

Ploid 6.0 · Jun 16, 2019

Did they count the people that are playing via the free 7 day thing? I tried that to see if I can get into it since they gave away Heavensward but I couldn't.

Enforcer · Jun 16, 2019

I'm surprised people aren't getting sick of the same gameplay loop yet for so many years now.

Are there any drastic changes gameplay wise this expansion?

overnightnocturne · Jun 16, 2019

Sheev said:
Me and a handful of friends have started getting into it in the last few weeks. Really enjoying the game so far!

I'm having a lot more fun than I ever did with WoW.

I finally have enough money for a monthly subscription. Is it worth playing now?

Nopon_Merchant · Jun 16, 2019

Enforcer said:
I'm surprised people aren't getting sick of the same gameplay loop yet for so many years now.

Are there any drastic changes gameplay wise this expansion?

Just like my few post above . The answer is no . They only dumb down the gameplay this expansion , everything else seem like the same. Majority player of this game consist of gay people , ERP , people that only want to chat and take picture , NEET so those people dont really care much about gameplay at all and care more about cosmestic stuff so they dont get sick of same stale formula , most people that care about that already unsub after clear content and only comeback when new content release

Saint-14 · Jun 16, 2019

Ploid 6.0 said:
Did they count the people that are playing via the free 7 day thing? I tried that to see if I can get into it since they gave away Heavensward but I couldn't.

No idea, but they said over 16 million registered players.

Ploid 6.0 · Jun 16, 2019

Saint-14 said:
No idea, but they said over 16 million registered players.

Oh, though I've been registered for a long time since PS3 beta. Well, that's a big number no matter what anyway. I'm glad their subscription system for FFXIV was miles better than FFXI at least. I can start and quit when I want without feeling like I'm wasting anything (subscribing for a month in FFXI on the 30th would give you less days since you'd have to resubscribe on the first of the next month in the old FFXI system).

Dalik · Jun 16, 2019

Enforcer said:
I'm surprised people aren't getting sick of the same gameplay loop yet for so many years now.

Are there any drastic changes gameplay wise this expansion?

If the gameplay loop is still fun there's no reason to change for the sake of it. Wow changes structure almost every expansion and manages to be worse almost every time.

Dalik · Jun 16, 2019

Nopon_Merchant said:
In short if you are into ERP , rp, selfie or gay people , bad player , only play for social aspect , NEET then the game maybe perfect for you but if you are player that look for challenge and complexity then this game get worse with each expansion after HW

What the fuck does being gay have anything to do with playing causally/not interested in challenge and complexity? This is disgustingly homophobic.

Kaah · Jun 16, 2019

Nopon_Merchant said:
Just like my few post above . The answer is no . They only dumb down the gameplay this expansion , everything else seem like the same. Majority player of this game consist of gay people , ERP , people that only want to chat and take picture , NEET so those people dont really care much about gameplay at all and care more about cosmestic stuff so they dont get sick of same stale formula , most people that care about that already unsub after clear content and only comeback when new content release

Wow what a terrible post.
Dungeons are great, raids are great and challenging, gameplay loop is great, there's some really good and interesting mechanics in there, some side quests are amazing. No I'm not gay (wtf) or interested in RP and I play this game a lot for its content.

Izayoi · Jun 16, 2019

Nopon_Merchant said:
Then you really unlucky if you want to get back into the game. As some one play this game since ARR and clear all content , expansion got worse with each patch , less content , more game design problem , more cash shop . Currently they just homoganize all the job and dumb down the complexity to cater to bad player . They dont think about low level dungeon at all , they keep remove job skill at low level make leveling urterly boring to play for new player to push them buy "level skip Poiton". Moreover, for some job they just remove some low level skill then give back as new skill at high level with different animation.

In short if you are into ERP , rp, selfie or gay people , bad player , only play for social aspect , NEET then the game maybe perfect for you but if you are player that look for challenge and complexity then this game get worse with each expansion after HW

This is blatant bullshit, not sure if Yoshi P pissed in your cereal or what, but each expansion so far has been better than the last. HW added a TON of content, and Stormblood somehow managed to pack even more than that.

The story progression, dungeon design, and overall player experience has improved by leaps and bounds since vanilla 2.0.

Ashlette · Jun 16, 2019

I am interested in resubbing, but if they pull another eureka for shadowbringers I'm done.

Sanctuary · Jun 16, 2019

HyperDimension said:
Pretty sure this makes it the second biggest subscription MMO (after WOW).

Didn't WOW peak at 12 million? That's where it was at when I quit in 2010, and I thought it steadily dropped since then.

B.K. · Jun 16, 2019

Ashlette said:
I am interested in resubbing, but if they pull another eureka for shadowbringers I'm done.

But Eureka is the best content in the game.

Ashlette · Jun 16, 2019

B.K. said:
But Eureka is the best content in the game.

Anemos was insanely dull and repetitive when I played it. And I heard Pagos is even worse. Apparently "it gets good" at Pyros but I don't think players should have to reach level 40 just to access that area.

Ethics Gradient · Jun 16, 2019

I recently re-subbed also. ReShade kind of re-invented the game for me aesthetically. I was really turned off by the colors for most of its history.

I'm still struggling to find a job that I enjoy though.

Chaos2Frozen · Jun 16, 2019

Sanctuary said:
Didn't WOW peak at 12 million? That's where it was at when I quit in 2010, and I thought it steadily dropped since then.

The last known active subscription numbers for WoW was 5-6 million a few years ago, since then Blizzard stopped talking about subscription numbers.

Being second placed doesn't mean there isn't a huge gap though, I'm sure WoW is still above 4 million at least.

Sanctuary · Jun 16, 2019

Chaos2Frozen said:
The last known active subscription numbers for WoW was 5-6 million a few years ago, since then Blizzard stopped talking about subscription numbers.

Being second placed doesn't mean there isn't a huge gap though.

Wouldn't the number of peak subscribers for each game make WOW second place overall? That's what I was replying to.

Alpheus · Jun 16, 2019

Kouriozan said:
Love this game but I have some dungeon anxiety, I'd like to return to it just for the story but the trust system is Shadowbringer only (I'm at the end of Heavensward), I'll wait until they give more tools for people who just want to enjoy the story.
Also my lifestyle don't work with sitting in a dungeon for 40+ mins straight everytime I want to go to the next story bit

If you're on aether data center (the NOT Ultros one) just hit me up on Faerie I'm Alphyn Vyrs.

perfectchaos007 · Jun 16, 2019

Really sounds like this game was a late bloomer. I guess with MMOs that's fairly common compared to single player games which for the most part peak in active users just a month or two after launch.

Marie · Jun 16, 2019

from somebody that plays FFXIV a lot.

The game has been getting easier overall. Ultimate raids are nice but only one for every 6 months. Jobs overall have been getting easier to play both from a skill flooring and a skill ceiling perspective (compare HW drg to SB and SHB drg)

Jobs are definitely feel really bad to play at low level. They really need to address that because I never want to do leveling roulette if I can help it due to how bad jobs play. Try low level dragoon. Its literally mash 1 button for the longest time. Paladin is literally 1-2-3 until like high 50's.

I still really enjoy the game and I understand the changes they made. The game is great for people that just want to pickup and play at max level without feeling they have to log on daily. Yoshi even encourages ppl to take breaks and play other games.

My biggest gripe is that we get 4 savage bosses a tier (6 months) and it can get insanely tedious after the 3rd month Granted those 4 bosses are more intricate then like the first 7 bosses in a wow raid

Saint-14 · Jun 16, 2019

Sanctuary said:
Wouldn't the number of peak subscribers for each game make WOW second place overall? That's what I was replying to.

No, it isn't 16 million subscribers but total players who have played the game.

Chasing · Jun 16, 2019

Lots of sprouts popping up in my server this few weeks, my ps4 framerate is taking a hit in the big cities now when it didn't used to, lol.

Charismagik · Jun 16, 2019

Enforcer said:
I'm surprised people aren't getting sick of the same gameplay loop yet for so many years now.

Are there any drastic changes gameplay wise this expansion?

I never played MMOs before and I played for a bit until I realized that every encounter seemed to be just doing the same "rotations" over and over. It was so boring

JudgeN · Jun 16, 2019

I like the game in short bursts but this always happens at the launch of an xpac. Then 2-3 months after release subs drop off the cliff because 14 gameplay loop doesn't work for long term subbing. I do enjoy my 3 month xpac stay though.

Marie · Jun 16, 2019

Charismagik said:
I never played MMOs before and I played for a bit until I realized that every encounter seemed to be just doing the same "rotations" over and over. It was so boring

the difficulty and fun is doing hard fights while playing the job to the best

Ethics Gradient · Jun 16, 2019

JudgeN said:
I like the game in short bursts but this always happens at the launch of an xpac. Then 2-3 months after release subs drop off the cliff because 14 gameplay loop doesn't work for long term subbing. I do enjoy my 3 month xpac stay though.

I was trying to put my finger on it. What is it about the core gameplay loop that doesn't click?

Dodgerfan74 · Jun 16, 2019

I started from scratch and got to the end of Stormblood last year. It's an absurdly good game, especially for the nightmare it sprang from. Got a 20 dollar pre-order for Shadowbringers so I grabbed it.

Jumping back in is absurdly overwhelming. Just looking at my inventory with stuff for almost a dozen jobs made me want to close the app immediately. They need better systems and more inventory space without all the servant garbage asap.

Marie · Jun 16, 2019

Ethics Gradient said:
I was trying to put my finger on it. What is it about the core gameplay loop that doesn't click?

The tedious part is

even patch = 4 raid bosses (savage)
3 months later~
odd patch = 1 24man casual raid/ MAYBE 1 ultimate raid for HC raiders
3 months later~
rinse repeat until next expac

new tomes come every even patch, cap 450 weekly until for gear
2 new dungeon on even patch
1 new dungeon on odd patch

all dungeons are loleasy mode because its designed around casuals

JudgeN · Jun 16, 2019

Ethics Gradient said:
I was trying to put my finger on it. What is it about the core gameplay loop that doesn't click?

Well I am an OG ff11 player so I prefer horizontal progress instead of vertical. They only have one active raid content with primal fights per patch. It the same loop they done since 2.0 launched . If you don't raid you don't have anything to do once you beat your primal, unless you like glamour they do add tons of worthless glamour. Everyone in my guild ends up quiting at the same time after xpac due to bordom and come back every xpac.

Marie said:
The tedious part is

even patch = 4 raid bosses (savage)
3 months later~
odd patch = 1 24man casual raid/ MAYBE 1 ultimate raid for HC raiders
3 months later~
rinse repeat until next expac

new tomes come every even patch, cap 450 weekly until for gear
2 new dungeon on even patch
1 new dungeon on odd patch

all dungeons are loleasy mode because its designed around casuals

You said it better than me, high five.

Marie · Jun 16, 2019

JudgeN said:
Well I am an OG ff11 player so I prefer horizontal progress instead of vertical. They only have one active raid content with primal fights per patch. It the same loop they done since 2.0 launched . If you don't raid you don't have anything to do once you beat your primal, unless you like glamour they do add tons of worthless glamour. Everyone in my guild ends up quiting at the same time after xpac due to bordom and come back every xpac.

You said it better than me, high five.

I don't mind the content loop, I just wish there was slightly more

1 extra trial for accessories
1-3 more raids per tier
1 more EXTRA stuff (HoH/PVP/just fun stuff that can be experimental)

What really hurt in Stormblood was Eureka. It only got good at the last map. That means there was like 3-4 maps prior that were just pure ass in gameplay.

BA and Logograms is something they should keep building up on, or atleast take experimental stuff to the same level

SUPARNOVAX · Jun 17, 2019

WoW's subs can't be matched. The game can still run on a toaster. A lot of people also probably only play WoW and nothing else, so that base is locked in.

I resubbed but haven't had the time to get to play a lot to catch up the main storyline. I'd like to see the FFXIV graphic engine get a tune up or have even higher model texture options for all the sweet new gear being added.

I also haven't preordered Shadowbringers yet either, but I'll probably have that done later this week or next before it launches.

GooZ · Jun 17, 2019

Contributed. Trying to catch up with the story, didn't finish stormblood because it didn't grab me. Shadowbringer looks exciting and brings a new tank class, I'm so in for this expansion.

Ashlette · Jun 17, 2019

Marie said:
The tedious part is

even patch = 4 raid bosses (savage)
3 months later~
odd patch = 1 24man casual raid/ MAYBE 1 ultimate raid for HC raiders
3 months later~
rinse repeat until next expac

new tomes come every even patch, cap 450 weekly until for gear
2 new dungeon on even patch
1 new dungeon on odd patch

all dungeons are loleasy mode because its designed around casuals

This is it. As someone who has played since 3.0 and stopped at 4.4, I got sick of this predictable loop.

I'm betting that the 5.0 endgame will be farming the non-timegated tomes until the first raid introduces the superior timegated ones.

Marie · Jun 17, 2019

Ashlette said:
This is it. As someone who has played since 3.0 and stopped at 4.4, I got sick of this predictable loop.

I'm betting that the 5.0 endgame will be farming the non-timegated tomes until the first raid introduces the superior timegated ones.

5.0 endgame will be
get 80, get enough gear to farm primal for weapon and accessories
2 weeks later
get the best set of normal raid gear
2 weeks later
go hard in savage until clear

All the while you cap weekly tomes, get crafted gear if you're rushing prog. There will be side content and thats always great.

Like I know and understand why people are upset about FF patch cycle. For me I don't mind it, I just wish they added more to that cycle.

I play this game a lot, started in late 3.1 and have 431 days of playtime. I'm still excited for the new expansion and the new raids but I wish they just added MORE.

Mauricio_Magus · Jun 17, 2019

I'm jumping back when the expansion drops, I stopped playing right before the first expansion and it seems like I have a lot to check out.

I recently played during the "free 7 days" thing and I had a great time.

Arkeband · Jun 17, 2019

I think, at the very tail end of Eureka, they finally figured out how to make good non-raid repeatable content. If they can get something like Hydatos in there by the first or second patch then it'll feel lively, otherwise yeah, 4 bosses every 3 months is gonna be rough.

Marie · Jun 17, 2019

Arkeband said:
4 bosses every 6 months is gonna be rough.

corrected.
Ultimate is a great bandaid for content draught but it doesn't affect the vast majority of raiders.

The sad part is they do add trials but the trials for most raiders are useless outside gearing alts even before the content drops since they'll outgear it (the weapon is 5 ilvl lower than the upgrade tome weapon and 10 ilevel under raid weapon.

The game just needs more content. Something for casuals, something for raiders, something for both that they can do that is FUN (please no more anemos/pagos/pyros eureka)

QisTopTier · Jun 17, 2019

We are for sure getting 2 ultimates again.

And not confirmed but I'm positive savage is moving to a 5 full boss encounter design instead of the 2 half bosses on the 4ths since he said that's gone and players will be surprised

AgeEighty · Jun 17, 2019

Fularu said:
It's a dickwaving thread with purposefully misleading numbers. What were you expecting

No. It was very upfront about the fact that the number is players, not active subs. It was only treated as "purposefully misleading" by people who felt that it merited a dick-waving session.

Qvoth · Jun 17, 2019

Yes the formula is getting stale
Probably would still pre-order SHB, been waiting for greenmanganing deal but I don't think it's happening
Dancer seems fun, might be the 2nd class I'll actually bother capping after my main blm

StoryofSouls · Jun 17, 2019

not bad for a game with no real customization. an mmo without skill trees...

BeatnikGunso · Jun 17, 2019

Honestly the game is fun but I got burned out twice from the forced msq between realm reborn and heavensward and once again between heavensward and stormblood. I played tank so I had no issues or problems waiting for dungeons or raids but seeesh they really need to fix that forced quest nonsense. That's the one thing wow has above ffxiv. If i'm at the right level I can just jump into the new expansion area no problem.

Mirabai · Jun 17, 2019

are you stil forced to grind your ass of for about 15-20 hours at level 50, 60 & 70 to unlock the next addon?
I leveled to 63 or so and stopped playing because you had to grind for 2390293 hours to unlock the endgame.

FFXIV surpasses 16 million players (lifetime accounts) + highest number of subscribers before Shadowbringers

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