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FF7 Remake's characters are wonderful and so much more fleshed out than before
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Wut? Turks were done amazingly well in this remake. The whole top plate battle were incredible with the all interaction in battle.
Pretty much.
I think her worst moment by far was the entire plate collapsing section. You would think the scene setting up her joining late is for the purpose of saving Cloud but instead she almost plummets to her death and needs to be saved lmao
I still can't believe anyone would defend what happens at the top. She gets knocked down and has to call out to Cloud to help her up. Apparently she becomes useless when knocked down and needs Cloud to say her name and hold her so she can do the simple act of moving.
All they had to do was have her rush to where Cloud is and save him(she kicked a shit ton of pipes away how about she kicks one at the helicopter?) then after the plate is confirmed dropping you can have that scene of Cloud pulling her away. Instead it's three scenes of her being absolutely useless. I'm not even sure why some are denying Tifa having feelings for Cloud and displaying jealousy towards Aerith. She does it in the sewers and the train graveyard. Even her dream sequence comes back to Aerith giving Cloud the flower.
It's clear by some of the responses in this thread that some people are excusing it away due to being shippers and not being able to view her character critically. If people like how she was presented that is their right but hand waiving criticism as "omg u just jealous shippers" is so embarassing. Especially when I'm sure plenty of the criticisms comes from people who prefer Cloud and Tifa.
This is a multi-chapter game. I don't think it's entirely fair to judge a fraction of the remake without the context of the remaining parts.
The whole product could end up better than people assumed it would, or, it could turn out to be worse than anticipated. We just don't know yet.
While I liked and enjoyed the game and believe they've done an amazing job, the ending was...
Let's just say, I'm not surprised people aren't too thrilled. The friends I've spoken to all have different reactions. Some are pissed and believe they dropped the ball, and I get why they'd feel that way.
Some are excited at the prospect of a
potential sequel
Honestly, with SSD's becoming a standard next-gen (I believe and HOPE the sequels will be next-gen only...), all I want is an open-world with a blazing fast Highwind whilst maintaing the fidelity of/surpassing that of part 1... Is that too much to ask?
I don't know if you've seen the video below, but as a FF7 fan... This shit will have your imagination running wild - It's what I want, gameplay-wise, for future instalments (referring specifically to vehicles and the size of the World).
Just finished the game and my fav characters are easily aerith and barrett when he is good , with Jessie not too far behind. I didnt play OG FF7 and have only seen summarys of it on youtube, so a lot of nuance was lost obviously , but was Tifa more interesting in the original? She was kind of just there in this game , and so the whole Tifa vs Aerith debate was just not a thing for me here.
I loathe X. Auron is the only character I truly liked, with Rikku being interesting. Tidus is worthless, Yuna has the personality of a wet paper bag, Wakka is an exasperating mess of stereotypes...
I just can't with X.
I'm new to the franchise, and I fell absolutely in love with all the characters. Cloud is a dick but also obviously tryhard where it's kinda cute, Tifa is warm and caring, Aerith is quirky in the best way, and Barret is endearing and soft hearted (even if the execution has me side eyeing a bit but we won't get into that here)
I'm so excited to see how Tifa and Cloud's relationship blossoms, how Aerith reveals more of what's up her sleeves, how Barret will perhaps take a more nuanced view of the world, etc.
I want more of these guys, and I can't wait to get it.
I'm so excited to see how Tifa and Cloud's relationship blossoms, how Aerith reveals more of what's up her sleeves, how Barret will perhaps take a more nuanced view of the world, etc.
I want more of these guys, and I can't wait to get it.
I think it's more than fair to judge Remake by itself since the developers have stated multiple times that while these games will be connected, they want each to stand on their own as a complete and whole game. Future context might help, but at this point, I'm judging the game for what it is as a single entry.
only one that kinda sorta chafes me is Tifa. i'm a fan of the actress on GLOW but way she's directed here it's kinda "gee golly i'm a rote jrpg romantic interest"
maybe i'm getting lost in my head canon but i thought she was the more rough around the edges contrast to Aerith, or maybe they could've expounded on that route since this game isn't particularly conservative with the source material
a nitpick though. i don't care much either way and yeah they pretty much got it right
maybe i'm getting lost in my head canon but i thought she was the more rough around the edges contrast to Aerith, or maybe they could've expounded on that route since this game isn't particularly conservative with the source material
a nitpick though. i don't care much either way and yeah they pretty much got it right
I'm really glad to see this, because I thought I was off the deep end feeling that Tifa was a step backwards.
They could have steered her in a lot of directions and chose the lamest route to take.
They basically made me like all the main characters. I never cared too much about them in the original back then, even if I always loved the game. Absolutely loved the japanese voices in the remake too. I mean, I use japanese voices in almost every japanese game, but I thought they have done an especially extra good job here.
If I play again, I might try Japanese. I mostly liked the voices, but some did nothing for me. Like Sephiroth, who sounds like he was directed to sound like a 90s cartoon villain. That's a bit of an exaggeration, but...
Interesting, because girlfriend and me had exactly the same reaction when we heard sephiroth in english for the first time in the game! :D
I don't think Tifa is a step backwards, she simply is not as improved as Aerith and Barret are. Because these both steal the show. I could not care less about Aerith in the original and now its my fav character.
Also, villains are very cartoony but loved the speech that president Shinra gives to Barret about how Shinra actually improved life of thousands of people, with Barret looking kind of confused for a second.
As someone said, they made a very MCU movie improvement in the game specially between characters interaction.
This remake made me very happy and I was not that interested. I think it is because, new Nomuresque additions aside, the characters became great pieces of the show, too.
Also, villains are very cartoony but loved the speech that president Shinra gives to Barret about how Shinra actually improved life of thousands of people, with Barret looking kind of confused for a second.
As someone said, they made a very MCU movie improvement in the game specially between characters interaction.
This remake made me very happy and I was not that interested. I think it is because, new Nomuresque additions aside, the characters became great pieces of the show, too.
I personally align with this perspective.
For my personal take, I really enjoyed Tifa. She masks her trauma and pain by being a caretaker. She's always looking out for others. She protects the Sector 7 slums, handles odd jobs, Manages the bar, handles the day to day activities and finances of Avalanche, helps watch Marlene, takes care of Marco (hooded guy), takes care of Clouds living arrangements and connects him with the people of the Sector 7 slums, puts herself in danger to grab the shinra key card, runs ahead of Cloud and Barret when they ascend the stairs in the Shinra building, is the first person to slide down the pipes in the second reactor, chooses to take on the danger of appeasing Don Corneo outside the purview of the team, drives the truck for the crew during the Midgar escape sequence, and even became a god tier hand to hand fighter. She's endlessly strong, but really does all of it because she loves everyone deeply. She wants to protect those she loves, even if it costs her. She can't stand how everyone constantly has to put themselves in harms way just to achieve their ambitions, however noble they are. She's strong because she doesn't want to lose anyone.
Tifa, in FF7:R, overall is a deeply complex character to me. Her relationship with Cloud is very intriguing to me as well. Barrett is a character who is too caught in his anger and ambition to see Cloud for who he really is at first. Aerith immediately sees past Cloud's hardened facade and knows that he's really a kind and caring person underneath. Jesse, Biggs, and Wedge see Cloud as a cool merc who's a bit of a dork and is trying a little too hard to be "cool". Tifa, however, knows Cloud better than anyone else, and thus sees him more deeply than anyone else. I think Tifa sees that Cloud is lost and hurting inside. Though Tifa has romantic feelings for Cloud, I'm not sure if she's really in love with him or anything yet. Her and Cloud share the pain of losing everyone they've known and loved in Nibelheim (though she isn't yet aware that he was actually there during the incident). Tifa might feel that Cloud is a bit of a kindred spirit, and we can tell that she wants him near. She loves and cares for Cloud and wants him to be safe like the others in the Sector Seven slums, even wanting him to stay their (near her). She's trying to hold on to everyone she can because she doesn't want to experience losing them like everyone in Nibelheim.
Tifa has to constantly be strong for everyone else even though their actions, and the actions of Shinra, constantly hurt her. Her desire to live a normal life where everyone is safe and happy is constantly challenged. I think her emotional scene with Cloud in chapter 14 is an illustration of the fact, just like any human, her facade can only take so much damage and she wants others to see how much she's hurting, how much she cares, and how ultimately powerless she feels at times. Letting her guard down with the one person that could understand half of what she's been through makes complete sense.
I agree with a lot of this. I still really liked Tifa, but I went into this wanting to love her. She has a warmth to her that I liked, and a level of insecurity that I find relatable. Her voice actor is also great, and the writing does a good job making her and Cloud's friendship and care for each other clearer than I think the OG game did in the beginning. But by the end, it felt like the game had constantly yanked her around, putting her in more damsel situations than Jessie or even Aerith (the person who actually hired herself a bodyguard) so that Cloud could swoop in and save her. That moment in the plate collapse where Tifa calls for Cloud to help her get up was so tiresome.
Granted, Tifa seemed like she (understandably) had more screentime in this part than the other two girls, so that could be partly why it feels that way. But I've always felt that Tifa's character tends to be used to supplement Cloud's development, which is unfair, and I was hoping the remake would give her some more character stuff of her own. And they kind of do that, with her doubts about Avalanche, but it's a bit sparse.
I love how well they captured Aerith in the remake-- sweet, and able to lovingly cutting through bullshit from Cloud and others. But even her writing felt a bit off towards the last couple chapters. She suddenly becomes aloof and almost omniscient, mainly giving plot-heavy exposition to Cloud and crew. She felt different from how she's presented in her first few chapters.
Hopefully I'll feel differently as the games go on. These were just some quibbles I had about how the female characters were written, but for the most part, they knocked it out of the park.
Cloud and Barret were more consistent imo. Loved them both. I honestly figured Barret wouldn't get to be as prominent as the other three main characters, but was pleasantly surprised how many great moments he got to have.
I guess. Unfortunately their lines are absolutely fucking ridiculous and still make them all seem silly.
They're absolutely incredible.
It's why I'm leaning towards VII Remake as my preferred game over the original. The characters and the script are so much better than the original (at least in English).Their interactions and the way they develop over the course of the game is really wonderful.
It's why I'm leaning towards VII Remake as my preferred game over the original. The characters and the script are so much better than the original (at least in English).Their interactions and the way they develop over the course of the game is really wonderful.
Agreed. Tifa and Aerith were whatever the plot and writers needed them to be at any given time, and that's what drove some issues the game had with inconsistency. Especially the last 2 chapters.
Despite some clunky aspects of the ending, I think that's why I'm of the camp that really wants Aerith not to die, because it will give her some agency going forward. A large part of the impact of her death in the OG game was because of how it furthered Cloud's pain and hatred towards Sephiroth. To essentially fridge Aerith again, especially when they've given themselves the opportunity to go a different route, would be such a waste. I so want to see what Aerith gets to do if she lives this time around. But it all depends on execution.
The reappearance of Zack at the end of the remake also worries me, with how much Aerith's character was tarnished to revolve around him in Crisis Core.
The reappearance of Zack at the end of the remake also worries me, with how much Aerith's character was tarnished to revolve around him in Crisis Core.
I've got mixed feelings, because some of the writing is the best FF has been in so long and has me more invested than I've been in years, but I'm also super wary that they'll devolve into past mistakes.
Since people are talking about XV
The entire reason XV's ending works so well is because of the characters and how much they grow on you. That's the best thing about the game and the ending is so well done that I've seen even the naysayers who dislike the game agree that it's good. You could almost say the game didn't deserve that good of an ending.
So to say XV's characters were hollow is just plain wrong.
The entire reason XV's ending works so well is because of the characters and how much they grow on you. That's the best thing about the game and the ending is so well done that I've seen even the naysayers who dislike the game agree that it's good. You could almost say the game didn't deserve that good of an ending.
So to say XV's characters were hollow is just plain wrong.
Eh there is some good and bad. I really disliked everyone on the the pizza mission but once you got to Wall Market your party members there really added to the experience.
the dialogue in this game ranges from good to really bad and clunky depending on the scene.
the dialogue in this game ranges from good to really bad and clunky depending on the scene.
I mean, when the best you've got is a drive-by post...speaks for itself.
I think I remember you, you are another Clerith shipper, I hope that this thread does not deviate with themes of hatred towards Tifa, for that you have a private discord.
Amen to this! It's a wild feeling traipsing through VII Remastered, lowkey pining for the camaraderie that evolved so wonderfully in XV.
For all it's ambition, I think the gameplay in XV felt so liberating and open ended in the first half with a good cast that evolves and benefits greatly from it. I loved XV.
I totally agree that the writing is great with a lot of the supporting cast - and Barret and Cloud's arcs are really amazing as they evolve from unlikeable tough guys. Only problem is that all the women are written the same way. They're all typecast as helpful, overeager, supportive, happy-go-lucky ingenues. You could swap any delivery from Tifa, Jessie, or Aeris freely.
This is such a creepy and weird thing to post. You do realize Tifa is a videogame character right? She and every other character in this game are not real. Tifa has problematic aspects and people have the right to discuss them.
This shipping snipe is so cringe and embarassing. This isn't Twitter or Tumblr where everything people post is about ship wars. You are very clearly a Cloud and Tifa shipper who is upset someone dared to critique her and the only thing you can do to dismiss everything I wrote is by calling me a Cloud/Aerith shipper with an agenda to make everyone pick on the videogame character lol
Shipping is not a good enough for me to start hating a character because I'm not a 10 year old who makes it their life. I dislike Tifa simply because I think she is poorly written with a bad design. The Remake had the chance to improve her and failed.
All I wish is that they either got a different VA for Barrett or gave him different direction, because his dialogue isn't terrible but the delivery comes off really poorly. Other than that I really love what they've done with the characters. I hope in game two they give the option to ship Cloud with Jessie
I think if you had a problem with Tifa's character before you're not going to change your mind now.
I foresee people disliking Cid as well.
Cait Sith also does some shit. I also see people hating him because he is a cat on a fat moogle.
I think this game did such a good job at expanding on what was already there. Even Tseng, who was a nobody bad guy in the original, has a personality now.
I foresee people disliking Cid as well.
Cait Sith also does some shit. I also see people hating him because he is a cat on a fat moogle.
I think this game did such a good job at expanding on what was already there. Even Tseng, who was a nobody bad guy in the original, has a personality now.
Cait sith is gonna be the hardest one to get right because I'm the original I never bought why the party would take him in. He's a joke until he's not so I'm faciniated how they plan to tackle that
super agree, I'm cool with whatever a ships people want to like but Tifa was done dirty
sidenote- I bookmarked your earlier Tifa critique but I don't know how to view bookmarks. Anyone got any tips?
Click your username in the top right corner and it should say bookmarks. Click that and anything you've bookmarked should be there. :)
I've never loved Cait Sith but I think they have a big chance to improve him. Already having him cameo is smart and hopefully they do more than just force himself into the party and act like they don't know who the traitor is.
Tifa is my all time favourite FF character
and I can say that Tifa didn't really stand out in the remake, but that is to be expected. In the OG, after Cloud, her character is the one that grows and develops the most, and that is after the half way point of that game.
and I can say that Tifa didn't really stand out in the remake, but that is to be expected. In the OG, after Cloud, her character is the one that grows and develops the most, and that is after the half way point of that game.
lol
how dare anyone criticize Tifa! I like how you have to be a clerith shipper to point out anything wrong with her portrayal.
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I'm a lapsed FFVII fan — not in a way where I suddenly woke up one day and thought VII was a bad game, I just kind of let it fade away and forgot about it and stopped thinking about it past the first few years after I played it.
That said, this Remake has renewed me on VII in particular. I couldn't believe how much nostalgic feels this game evoked, and then it went a whole extra mile and gave them a ton more depth and almost resoundingly for the better.
Pretty damn impressed. VII was no doubt one of the most important games in my life despite me lapsing on appreciating it, and this game completely justifies that status by making me feel a renewed and deepened attachment to its cast.
I will say, though — while I do think Cloud has more depth, I somehow actually like him less than I used to, but not to a degree where I overall hate him as a character. I just find his forced detachment a bit harder to stomach now — like, I enjoy Tifa, Aerith, and Barrett (and Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge) so much that it becomes all the more annoying to see Cloud try soooo hard to keep them at arms length. Just let them in, bro, you fucking jerk. This feeling, admittedly, makes Cloud overall more compelling despite the increased dislike because it is SO SATISFYING to see him cave even an inch to any one of them.
That said, this Remake has renewed me on VII in particular. I couldn't believe how much nostalgic feels this game evoked, and then it went a whole extra mile and gave them a ton more depth and almost resoundingly for the better.
Pretty damn impressed. VII was no doubt one of the most important games in my life despite me lapsing on appreciating it, and this game completely justifies that status by making me feel a renewed and deepened attachment to its cast.
I will say, though — while I do think Cloud has more depth, I somehow actually like him less than I used to, but not to a degree where I overall hate him as a character. I just find his forced detachment a bit harder to stomach now — like, I enjoy Tifa, Aerith, and Barrett (and Jessie, Biggs, and Wedge) so much that it becomes all the more annoying to see Cloud try soooo hard to keep them at arms length. Just let them in, bro, you fucking jerk. This feeling, admittedly, makes Cloud overall more compelling despite the increased dislike because it is SO SATISFYING to see him cave even an inch to any one of them.
the only thing Tifa was banging in the OG was Johnny
Johnny's spending his nights at the honeybee inn, although to be fair he did get a bit of glowup
Biggs is the best character in the game, he felt the most like a real person while also being a million times cooler than Cloud. Tifa was the most disappointing for reasons others have listed.
Wasn't crazy about the English script, but what I understood of the French dub was great. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I'd love a Clyde Mandelin-style side-by-side breakdown of the three scripts.
Wasn't crazy about the English script, but what I understood of the French dub was great. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying I'd love a Clyde Mandelin-style side-by-side breakdown of the three scripts.
It's funny I thought Biggs was the least fleshed out character. Makes me wanna replay the remake and pay more attention to him
To me, he felt less, I dunno, gimmicky than the rest. Like Jessie and Wedge felt like stock anime characters half the time in comparison. Moments like when he's telling Wedge to let Tifa and Cloud be alone were simple but meaningful.