Who has done it before? Whether successfully or unsuccessfully?
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FF7 Remake shows ambition hitherto undreamt of in this industry. Do you see other companies following Square’s method for the remake if successful?
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Who has done it before? Whether successfully or unsuccessfully?
Technically Bungie did it. Destiny 1 and Destiny 2 all it's DLC's (except RoI, and Forsaken/Shadowkeep) were supposed to be part of just the base destiny story.
RE 2 Remake is incredible, one of the best games of this generation. That said I think VII Remake is way more ambitious.
Edit: This doesn't mean it'll be a better game though.
Truth is, I don't know if we can tell whether this is ambitious or unambitious until we actually see how it turns out. If they do successfully expand on the Midgar section to its own full RPG, with all the content that would imply, I would definitely say its ambitious. If they fuck it up, or just make it a super linear action game, probably less so.
The battle footage is definitely looking great.
Now partner with Monolith soft for a Xenogears remake with even a 4th of this effort
Now partner with Monolith soft for a Xenogears remake with even a 4th of this effort
I don't know, I think it's ambitious. Not for being multiple parts (that kinda sucks as a consumer), but for looking completely incomparable to the original. Maybe it's not ambitious to the general game industry, but it's certainly looking to be an ambitious remake.
Oh yeah look at all that ambition....
This is really your argument to say the game isn't ambitious?
would you guys say the FF7 remake project is the most ambitious undertaking in the history of gaming?
I'll only call it ambitious if I they manage to release the whole remake by the time PS6 comes out, and only then because they're square & my expectation is for their games to take a decade.
FFXIII is also an ambitious project, but i think VII is gonna do better too :^P
I honestly hope what Square Enix is doing with this doesn't stick or carry over into other games / companies.
It looks fantastic, but the structure puts a real damper on my hype. Having to wait years and spend at least $180 for the entire story (a story we already got over 20 years ago) is a bummer.
It looks fantastic, but the structure puts a real damper on my hype. Having to wait years and spend at least $180 for the entire story (a story we already got over 20 years ago) is a bummer.
Mario All-stars was always crazy to me. Remaking your 3 most popular games, then giving it away for free? Those commercials back in the day were pretty mind blowing.
FF7R is only getting away with this because its SE and its FF7. There is nothing else to say about any other company because no other company is willing to go that far
splitting a game that is guaranteed to sell, into multiple parts, so you can sell it for $60 multiple times, is "ambitious and risky"?
I don't know how many other publishers have games in with the multi decade "will they ever do it?" Hype that FFVII:R has. It was helped by sQuare always having impressive FMVs to supplement their regular gameplay/gfx, as well as projects like Advent Children giving people a sense of "maaaaaan.... imagine if one day games actually looked/played like this".
To live up to that though realistically is a huge undertaking for a game like FFVII, so I don't know how many others in similar positions would be willing to follow suit. Hopefully the game is extremely successful and it encourages others to do so.
I for one would absolutely love to see a completely remade Deus Ex that incorporates aspects from the newer games. I'm sure people might even forgive Konami if we got remakes of the MGS series in the Fox Engine... and I know I would be absolutely ecstatic if we ever got a remakes of Mass Effect 1-3.
To live up to that though realistically is a huge undertaking for a game like FFVII, so I don't know how many others in similar positions would be willing to follow suit. Hopefully the game is extremely successful and it encourages others to do so.
I for one would absolutely love to see a completely remade Deus Ex that incorporates aspects from the newer games. I'm sure people might even forgive Konami if we got remakes of the MGS series in the Fox Engine... and I know I would be absolutely ecstatic if we ever got a remakes of Mass Effect 1-3.
Sucks that our modern industry with 300 people teams and multi million dollar budgets can't make games with the same scope as a PS1 game.
Man, reading some of the post in this thread is making me think of early 2000s forum posting where I don't know if people just want to disagree for the sake of it but let's look at this a little more rationally. You have a super ambitious overhaul of a 32-bit are a game which, in some posts, it has been pointed out that there were a lot of scenes that were so simple in the original that are now full production high-quality visual effect set pieces.
Now some would argue that we have seen this action Battle system in other final fantasy games but now they are also including the active Time battle option and to say it's just a simple HD overhaul or to discredit this as a safe bet and something that is easy oh, that is a real insult to the developers.
Just looking at the last trailer, it oozes millions of dollars of production budget and also the countless hours of meetings in order to articulate the original vision into what we see in front of us today.
Is it hyperbole to say this is ambitious? No. It's more of hyperbole to try and argue the opposite. I have a lot of faith just based on the last trailer and I am as cynical as anybody else when it comes to over-hyping myself. The quality as of the last trailer has got my hopes up for this being quite the trilogy and the game gets so epic and open after you leave the first city, that I feel splitting it into three pieces is a really wise choice. If anything, it just makes the weight that much harder because I actually think they are doing a really good job with this one.
Now some would argue that we have seen this action Battle system in other final fantasy games but now they are also including the active Time battle option and to say it's just a simple HD overhaul or to discredit this as a safe bet and something that is easy oh, that is a real insult to the developers.
Just looking at the last trailer, it oozes millions of dollars of production budget and also the countless hours of meetings in order to articulate the original vision into what we see in front of us today.
Is it hyperbole to say this is ambitious? No. It's more of hyperbole to try and argue the opposite. I have a lot of faith just based on the last trailer and I am as cynical as anybody else when it comes to over-hyping myself. The quality as of the last trailer has got my hopes up for this being quite the trilogy and the game gets so epic and open after you leave the first city, that I feel splitting it into three pieces is a really wise choice. If anything, it just makes the weight that much harder because I actually think they are doing a really good job with this one.
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Making a single game in 3 parts isn't the equivalent of remaking an original single game into 3 parts with possibly 30-60 hours of new gameplay each.
And they're not just remaking the game... they're arguably developing the best looking Square game ever developed. Or at least at the upper-echelon of what they're capable of this generation.
I don't get how people don't see this as ambitious. Just because it's based on an old title, we can 100% dismiss the effort put into it?
The effort is the ambition. Their future games may actually be better because they worked on this game... And they pushed their own boundaries.
Like I said, in terms of JRPGs to me this is as good as it gets.
If they accomplish what they set out to do, what we're looking at is GOTY 2020 contender material right here.
I've been gaming for 30 years so believe me I totally see what you're saying on the played them before front. I think games benefit a lot more from the remaster remake treatment than films do however not just visually but mechanically as well. Take Resident Evil 2, it might be a remake but it plays massively differently with modern quality of life upgrades and changes.
I wouldn't want every game ever remade or anything but PlayStation one classics like Resident Evil 2, Spyro and Final Fantasy etc are pretty good targets for the upgrade I feel and as long as new titles keep coming out it's all good :)
I mean... Capcom has already gone and done this with Resident Evil 2 and has shown that companies are capable of bringing modern renditons fo their classic games. FF7R looks amazing, but it's no longer the only title to potentially get it right -- not to mention that RE2R already has ostensibly gotten it "right" and is now the poster child for how to do a modern version of a classic game.
Well SoTC got a pointless remake, and people on Era seem to get hyped as hell for remakes so that's probably the way things are going
I don't like it because let's look at Zelda
We used to get console and handheld Zelda games, both unique, both awesome
Now it looks like we'll get open world Zelda games and remakes of Zelda games
The remakes of Zelda games will be cool, but we used to get 2 original Zelda games, and now we probably won't
It's just so boring and predictable. Remember this post when ALTTP remake is announced, and the Oracle games, and watch no one grumble about how we're now getting less new Zelda games other than a handful of people as everyone loses their minds over playing a prettier ALTTP, a game that still looks and plays fine
Maybe I'm wrong and maybe we'll still get new handheld style Zelda games, but that seems unlikely to me. It's lame as it's happening across all media, TV shows and films being rebooted and remade left right and centre and people going wild for it. It's just so drab and shows no thought or creatively
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Nobody, because nobody is as dumb as nails as Square is when it comes to this kind of thing. Seriously, you looking at spending $200 just to have the plot of one game from 20 years ago sold back to you. I don't know about you, and as much as I do want to play the game, it's ridiculous that Square is getting a pass on splitting the game in to so many parts because...They can't get the whole game done in a timely manner?
If Red Dead 2 was split up over 7 years to deliver the conclusion to a product, people would lose their fucking minds, but because it's Square and Final Fantasy VII, they get a pass. I'm sorry, but there is absolutely no reason for them to split the game up. It's not even looking like it's gonna to be the biggest game released this gen in terms of density, and yet it's "brave" and "risky" for them to add character models to scenes that didn't have them in the original?
It's delusional and I have no idea why anyway is looking forward to having the story finish in 7 years. It's ridiculous.
It's one of the safest large scale projects I've seen to date.
- Remake of an all-time favorite that has been teased for more than a decade.
- Split into three parts for max profit and to have an out if shit hits the fan.
- Not enough balls to design a modern, high budget fully turn-based battle system.
As far as I'm concerned, this is Square's safe cash cow while they're busy figuring out a strong foundation for the next generation of FF, because XIII and XV ain't it.
- Remake of an all-time favorite that has been teased for more than a decade.
- Split into three parts for max profit and to have an out if shit hits the fan.
- Not enough balls to design a modern, high budget fully turn-based battle system.
As far as I'm concerned, this is Square's safe cash cow while they're busy figuring out a strong foundation for the next generation of FF, because XIII and XV ain't it.
SOTC is still two generations old at this point and ran terribly on original software as it was pushing the limit so its upgrade isn't a total waste. It did get a PS3 remaster though and otherwise plays identically but it's popular so I guess it was worth it?
Never been a huge fan of Zelda so don't know a lot about it but aren't dev times to develop new games a lot longer now days? And The Switch is both a handheld and console in one right? And none of this stopped Nintendo making from what I hear from fans one of the best games ever in Breath of the Wild?
I mean if you compare remakes with actual new titles coming out they are a tiny percentage. You're acting like it's all that are happening now ha ha.
Guess it just doesn't bother me much XD
Yeah and that is fair enough. I can see why remakes appeal to people, they're just a lot less exciting to me
I think that's the subtitle for the next Kingdom Hearts game
Most people downplaying what's going on either don't realize this or don't care.
A remake of Super Mario RPG where the first part is a 40-hour game that takes place entirely in Bowser's Castle.
A remake of Fallout 3 where it's just 40 hours inside the Vault
A remake of Banjo Kazooie where it's just 40 hours of Spiral Mountain tutorials
A remake of Kingdom Hearts 2 that's just 40 hours of chores in Twilight town
are you seriously leaning on the cauldron of the cosmos?
Anyway, I feel like REMake 2 accomplished what VII R hopes to (ground up remake with cutting edge visuals, new playstyle, expands on the original) and it did it in one volume. I don't think VIIR will change the industry.
