FF14 5.3 NieR raid "The Puppet's Bunker"

SchroDingerzat · May 7, 2020

FFXIV 5.3 Update Is Live With Free Trial, Revamped Questlines, Job Changes, Nier Automata Raid

FFXIV's 5.3 update brings a ton of new content like raids, dungeons, and story quests in addition to a revamp of the base game.

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Haven't seen this posted. But some of the concept art for the next raid is quite interesting..... (especially since all this is canon to NieR). Now I just need to actually play and get to Shadowbringers content...

FakePlasticTree · May 7, 2020

Dat concept art makes me think the new ending added to Nier Replicant will lead to the events of FFXIV

dlauv · May 7, 2020

Bit of warning if you're starting out: I've put about 20+ hours into it recently (over the past three weeks) and got to level 50; the game's main quest is a total slog until the levels 45+, where it gets pretty entertaining - and that's before hitting expansion content. Go on a server with +100% exp bonus.

Altho I guess the 5.3 update is supposed to remove 13% of filler quests. So it might be a good idea to wait before starting. Game is filled with fan service (you can drive around Fenrir and the Quartz Regalia as mounts) and now they're putting canon content from other franchises into it. I hope these writers (and the job system) make it on board for the next mainline entry because the writing achieves a level of sophistication that's sorely missing from recent outings.

Dyno · May 7, 2020

I'll be honest. Waste of an entire expacs worth of raids. Really boring visually and slow as hell, boring designs on the bosses. Amazing game however.

SchroDingerzat · May 7, 2020

FakePlasticTree said:
Dat concept art makes me think the new ending added to Nier Replicant will lead to the events of FFXIV

Would be bonkers....yet completely expect Yoko Taro to do it.

On a very slightly related note.....SINoALICE is apart of the Taroverse.... FF Record keepers has a library as well.... would make sense for a crossover.

Theswweet · May 7, 2020

If you're interested in getting into FFXIV in order to play these raids - understand that we're talking about playing hundreds of hours just to get to the endgame in order to do so. I'm around 430 hours nearing the end of the Stormblood 4.x patch quests while taking my time, and it's very likely I'll hit 500 hours before even finishing Shadowbringers.

FFXIV is definitely more than a bit of a commitment.

Deleted member 56266 · May 7, 2020

Theswweet said:
If you're interested in getting into FFXIV in order to play these raids - understand that we're talking about playing hundreds of hours just to get to the endgame in order to do so. I'm around 430 hours nearing the end of the Stormblood 4.x patch quests while taking my time, and it's very likely I'll hit 500 hours before even finishing Shadowbringers.

FFXIV is definitely more than a bit of a commitment.

unless of course you're rich lol

TheGummyBear · May 7, 2020

Theswweet said:
If you're interested in getting into FFXIV in order to play these raids - understand that we're talking about playing hundreds of hours just to get to the endgame in order to do so. I'm around 430 hours nearing the end of the Stormblood 4.x patch quests while taking my time, and it's very likely I'll hit 500 hours before even finishing Shadowbringers.

FFXIV is definitely more than a bit of a commitment.

So you're saying that twenty hours in, I'm still a little while off from the Nier stuff?

demosthenes · May 7, 2020

Ryuji said:
unless of course you're rich lol

Story/level boost is only like $30?
For paying like $14/month to play this, it's not that much. After ARR the story really is great and you should avoid skipping it if you can. The Nier stuff isn't going to go away.

Rotobit · May 7, 2020

I haven't gotten around to the NieR stuff in FFXIV yet (unsubbed after finishing Shadowbringers, I take the game extremely slowly so it's nice to have a big backlog of stuff to do once I come back before the next expansion), had no idea it was canon

Does the writing work well? FFXIV and NieR seem very different in tone (Drakengard even more so if they ever reference that), dunno how I feel about them borrowing too much from it. Though I saw the memes about Taro being asked to not make the WoL do something out of character.

Also raises a lot of questions about the theology of both universes but that's something the FFXV cross-over already muddled a bit

Moara · May 7, 2020

Rotobit said:
I haven't gotten around to the NieR stuff in FFXIV yet (unsubbed after finishing Shadowbringers, I take the game extremely slowly so it's nice to have a big backlog of stuff to do once I come back before the next expansion), had no idea it was canon

Does the writing work well? FFXIV and NieR seem very different in tone (Drakengard even more so if they ever reference that), dunno how I feel about them borrowing too much from it. Though I saw the memes about Taro being asked to not make the WoL do something out of character.

Also raises a lot of questions about the theology of both universes but that's something the FFXV cross-over already muddled a bit

FFXIV always puts a good amount of effort in making sure all the crossovers fit into the world pretty well. It's only gotten started, but so far it's pretty on par with all the other crossovers in that department.

Acquiesc3 · May 7, 2020

Theswweet said:
If you're interested in getting into FFXIV in order to play these raids - understand that we're talking about playing hundreds of hours just to get to the endgame in order to do so. I'm around 430 hours nearing the end of the Stormblood 4.x patch quests while taking my time, and it's very likely I'll hit 500 hours before even finishing Shadowbringers.

FFXIV is definitely more than a bit of a commitment.

This isn't true. If anybody wants to start FF14 just for the Nier raid, it's about $50 (or was it $30?) for the boosts and they could get there in 50-ish hours maybe even less.

SchroDingerzat · May 7, 2020

Rotobit said:
I haven't gotten around to the NieR stuff in FFXIV yet (unsubbed after finishing Shadowbringers, I take the game extremely slowly so it's nice to have a big backlog of stuff to do once I come back before the next expansion), had no idea it was canon

Does the writing work well? FFXIV and NieR seem very different in tone (Drakengard even more so if they ever reference that), dunno how I feel about them borrowing too much from it. Though I saw the memes about Taro being asked to not make the WoL do something out of character.

Also raises a lot of questions about the theology of both universes but that's something the FFXV cross-over already muddled a bit

I want to see some of these memes!

Guessing it's the watchers being sin eaters?

Deleted member 3208 · May 7, 2020

Theswweet said:
If you're interested in getting into FFXIV in order to play these raids - understand that we're talking about playing hundreds of hours just to get to the endgame in order to do so. I'm around 430 hours nearing the end of the Stormblood 4.x patch quests while taking my time, and it's very likely I'll hit 500 hours before even finishing Shadowbringers.

FFXIV is definitely more than a bit of a commitment.

Is there a way to know how many hours I have played FFXIV? If I didn't buy it in Steam, of course.

Deleted member 5596 · May 7, 2020

Linkark07 said:
Is there a way to know how many hours I have played FFXIV? If I didn't buy it in Steam, of course.

Use command '/playtime' while playing

White Glint · May 7, 2020

Linkark07 said:
Is there a way to know how many hours I have played FFXIV? If I didn't buy it in Steam, of course.

/playtime

antitrop · May 7, 2020

I can't wait. Doing Copied Factory on day 1 was a very memorable experience. Seeing 24 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off and messing up all the mechanics is such a pleasure. Not nearly as much fun once everyone knows what they're doing. The Alliance Raids are some of my favorite stuff in the game, I like any FFXIV content where big groups of people come together to do something the most (I'm going to attempt that big 56-player "public dungeon" from the end of Eureka soon, very excited).

Kalentan · May 7, 2020

Theswweet said:
If you're interested in getting into FFXIV in order to play these raids - understand that we're talking about playing hundreds of hours just to get to the endgame in order to do so. I'm around 430 hours nearing the end of the Stormblood 4.x patch quests while taking my time, and it's very likely I'll hit 500 hours before even finishing Shadowbringers.

FFXIV is definitely more than a bit of a commitment.

500 hours?

You can (and with 5.3 for sure) easily catch up to Shadowbringers in half of that time.

Only way it could ever take that long is if you decide to do everything, crafting included.

My friend got nearly to 5.1 in just their free month you get when you buy the game.

Pandora012 · May 7, 2020

antitrop said:
I can't wait. Doing Copied Factory on day 1 was a very memorable experience. Seeing 24 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off and messing up all the mechanics is such a pleasure. Not nearly as much fun once everyone knows what they're doing.

Man...i played that raid too many times that first week just for that glam. Took me like 13 or so tries. It was fun to actually do a new alliance raid, since i missed the other ones.

Deleted member 3208 · May 7, 2020

White Glint said:
/playtime

Oh shit. Going to try it this afternoon.

Expecting more than 500 hours.

Thanks.

antitrop · May 7, 2020

Pandora012 said:
Man...i played that raid too many times that first week just for that glam. Took me like 13 or so tries. It was fun to actually do a new alliance raid, since i missed the other ones.

I would love to go back in time and do Orbonne Monastery day 1. I didn't start playing until ShB, missed it by 6 months, but it's definitely my favorite Alliance raid and unquestionably the most challenging one.

TheGummyBear said:
So you're saying that twenty hours in, I'm still a little while off from the Nier stuff?

A few hundred hours. The NieR raids are level 80.

You have to finish the Shadowbringers storyline, get some end-game level gear (not the very best available, just the minimum to meet the requirement), and then you there's a questline you can do that will unlock the raids.

Arkeband · May 7, 2020

antitrop said:
A few hundred hours. The NieR raids are level 80.

You have to finish the Shadowbringers storyline, get some end-game level gear (not the very best available, just the minimum to meet the requirement), and then you there's a questline you can do that will unlock the raids.

There's a fair bit of content they can ignore if their sole interest is the Nier raid, but yeah, there's a lot of great stuff on the way there. And the Nier raid won't be fully told until at least Jan or Feb 2021, provided Covid doesn't delay it even further, so they've got plenty of time.

Just That Simple · May 7, 2020

antitrop said:
I can't wait. Doing Copied Factory on day 1 was a very memorable experience. Seeing 24 people running around like chickens with their heads cut off and messing up all the mechanics is such a pleasure. Not nearly as much fun once everyone knows what they're doing. The Alliance Raids are some of my favorite stuff in the game, I like any FFXIV content where big groups of people come together to do something the most (I'm going to attempt that big 56-player "public dungeon" from the end of Eureka soon, very excited).

I still get Copied Factory runs like that. We'll probably get more when people will be running it to get the coin again.

Thorn · May 7, 2020

What exactly is that art supposed to be?

White Glint · May 7, 2020

Thorn said:
What exactly is that art supposed to be?

looks like The Bunker.

aember · May 7, 2020

demosthenes said:
Story/level boost is only like $30?
For paying like $14/month to play this, it's not that much. After ARR the story really is great and you should avoid skipping it if you can. The Nier stuff isn't going to go away.

And if someone does skip it - for the love of god look up guides on how to play your Job and at least the basic mechanics like "stack" and "run away from the group." Despise seeing boosted people in Raids and Dungeons who don't know what they're doing and don't take the blame for their fuck ups.

MochaKoffee said:
are we doing /playtime

run away, children, do not be tempted by Nier

Though I've been playing on and off since 2.3 so my playtime is comparably low . :P

Deleted member 18021 · May 7, 2020

are we doing /playtime

run away, children, do not be tempted by Nier

antitrop said:
I would love to go back in time and do Orbonne Monastery day 1. I didn't start playing until ShB, missed it by 6 months, but it's definitely my favorite Alliance raid and unquestionably the most challenging one.

Day 1 was usually smooth sailing up until Cid, upon which every group I was in either broke apart, or entered Hardcore Progression Raiding mode where we spent upwards of forty minutes trying to drag people through it, and then ran out of time on Ultima. Usually it was someone being dumb with Crush Weapon or Shadowblade, and then wiping the raid to Duskblade.

It was very much Ozma 2: Electric Boogaloo. I believe I actually cleared on Day 2 thanks to bad luck with DF, lol.

The most memorable moment in all of FFXIV remains Construct 7, and watching 23 other grown adults suddenly freeze upon being asked to remember what a prime number is.

Bit_Reactor · May 7, 2020

Kalentan said:
500 hours?

You can (and with 5.3 for sure) easily catch up to Shadowbringers in half of that time.

Only way it could ever take that long is if you decide to do everything, crafting included.

My friend got nearly to 5.1 in just their free month you get when you buy the game.

Yeah I was confused by this. We had a guildie join late last year and only played like 2 hours a day for like a few months and caught up to 3 expacs worth of content. With the new EXP buffs and the roulettes and everything even if you play solo you're looking at an easy time to at the very least get out of ARR.

MochaKoffee said:
Day 1 was usually smooth sailing up until Cid, upon which every group I was in either broke apart, or entered Hardcore Progression Raiding mode where we spent upwards of forty minutes trying to drag people through it, and then ran out of time on Ultima. Usually it was someone being dumb with Crush Weapon or Shadowblade, and then wiping the raid to Duskblade.

It was very much Ozma 2: Electric Boogaloo. I believe I actually cleared on Day 2 thanks to bad luck with DF, lol.

The most memorable moment in all of FFXIV remains Construct 7, and watching 23 other grown adults suddenly freeze upon being asked to remember what a prime number is.

Cid is one of my favorite fights in the game not only for his voice lines but just the fight itself. Really great. Love that raid.

On the prime numbers it's funny because the first time I ran it I read the note on the golem and went "ah okay" and my friends were like "WHATS HAPPENING" and I felt good for reading the note :P

antitrop · May 7, 2020

aember said:
And if someone does skip it - for the love of god look up guides on how to play your Job and at least the basic mechanics like "stack" and "run away from the group." Despise seeing boosted people in Raids and Dungeons who don't know what they're doing and don't take the blame for their fuck ups.

This is the best basic mechanic primer I've found

Kalentan · May 7, 2020

MochaKoffee said:
are we doing /playtime

Well since everyone else is sharing...

TheGummyBear · May 7, 2020

antitrop said:
A few hundred hours. The NieR raids are level 80.

You have to finish the Shadowbringers storyline, get some end-game level gear (not the very best available, just the minimum to meet the requirement), and then you there's a questline you can do that will unlock the raids.

Why does Yoko Taro enjoy my pain so much?

antitrop · May 7, 2020

TheGummyBear said:
Why does Yoko Taro enjoy my pain so much?

Hopefully the pain will turn to pleasure long before you reach this stuff.

aember · May 7, 2020

antitrop said:
This is the best basic mechanic primer I've found

Damn, that's nice, very concrete. Gonna save that link to pass it around when needed, thanks!

Sorian · May 7, 2020

Putting in some amateur numbers over here. I wish I was at home so I could provide receipts but I'm upwards of 900 days on that counter.

Deleted member 5596 · May 7, 2020

Going by the concept art, is that the NierA android space station? Is this a sequel to NierA? That might explain the room full of 2B bodies...

Kalentan · May 7, 2020

Sorian said:
Putting in some amateur numbers over here. I wish I was at home so I could provide receipts but I'm upwards of 900 days on that counter.

...What? That's... that's like almost 2 and a half years of game time. How is that...

Abhor · May 7, 2020

Looking forward to it. Doing Copied Factory day 1 was a lot of fun, and the 460 items + 2b coffer was a game changer for glamour.

FakePlasticTree · May 7, 2020

Thorn said:
What exactly is that art supposed to be?

The YorHa bunker

B.K. · May 7, 2020

I really hope The Puppet's Bunker is better than The Copied Factory. Copied Factory is my least favorite 24 man raid in the entire game. It's so boring and takes too long to get through. The bosses in that raid have way too much HP. Each of them takes forever to kill. It would be a lot better if all the bosses had their HP reduced by at least 1/3. I need to run it some before 5.1. to get more upgrade tokens, so I can upgrade the newest Tomestone gear to ilevel 500 with Copied Factory and Puppet's Bunker tokens, but I always dread doing that raid.

Deleted member 18021 · May 7, 2020

But really, if you're just here for the Nier stuff, you'll probably want to just watch the cutscenes and raid footage on youtube. FFXIV is effectively four whole video games at this point, and if you're not interested in FFXIV itself, you'll probably be disappointed. Same for the Ivalice, Monster Hunter, etc. stuff.

aember said:
Damn, that's nice, very concrete. Gonna save that link to pass it around when needed, thanks!

As a note, some of the ARR raids do have stack markers that aren't marked this way. All of these were more or less standardized in Heavesnward.

aember said:
Though I've been playing on and off since 2.3 so my playtime is comparably low . :P

Combined with my old character, I reach 122 days, lol.
Got really bored somewhere in the 4.2 doldrums, and ended up with a new main.

ghibli99 · May 7, 2020

aember said:
And if someone does skip it - for the love of god look up guides on how to play your Job and at least the basic mechanics like "stack" and "run away from the group." Despise seeing boosted people in Raids and Dungeons who don't know what they're doing and don't take the blame for their fuck ups.

Hard to blame the individual, but the system that allows the skip. I can see it both ways. That late in the game, if you've gone through it legit the whole way, you should have an FC or other friends on your server that can run it with you. That does assume perfect conditions, timing, and schedules. :)

Hellsing321 · May 7, 2020

So would this imply that Norvrandt is actually Earth?

B.K. · May 7, 2020

Hellsing321 said:
So would this imply that Norvrandt is actually Earth?

No. It's just like the Ivaliace raids from Stormblood. They take the characters and concepts from Nier and make them fit into the Final Fantasy XIV world and lore. XIV and Nier aren't in the same universe.

Bit_Reactor · May 7, 2020

antitrop said:
This is the best basic mechanic primer I've found

Sharing that to save lives for friends with alts who never play tanks and stuff and boosts haha.

I'd want to make one for post ShB because everyone has AOEs now and I still see DPS use single target skills like we're in the old days. I'm so glad they added AOE damage skills in the game with combos and stuff.

Relaxed Muscle said:
Going by the concept art, is that the NierA android space station? Is this a sequel to NierA? That might explain the room full of 2B bodies...

I mean I'm still of the impression that the arc "landed" here or something and it's REAL 9S from the original game of Automata and the arc has gone awry trying to recreate everything from the previous world. We have the warehouse and this station and stuff but it could just be a lapse in dimensions too. It's semi-clear though that 9S is probably the good guy in this and that we might be doing the wrong thing helping the "copies" haha

B.K. said:
No. It's just like the Ivaliace raids from Stormblood. They take the characters and concepts from Nier and make them fit into the Final Fantasy XIV world and lore. XIV and Nier aren't in the same universe.

I dunno I thought Taro said this raid is "Canon" so it's inherently linked in ways the others weren't?

Deleted member 5596 · May 7, 2020

Remember that canonically, Lightning was actually on the XIV world. I can see this being canon to Nier:A.

SchroDingerzat · May 7, 2020

B.K. said:
No. It's just like the Ivaliace raids from Stormblood. They take the characters and concepts from Nier and make them fit into the Final Fantasy XIV world and lore. XIV and Nier aren't in the same universe.

There is a difference, Ivalice is an alternate version of Ivalice within the world of FF14, and therefore is not canon to the Ivalice univese. The NieR stuff is implied to my knowledge to be the actual beings from the NieR universe and is canon to it.

Relaxed Muscle said:
Remember that canonically, Lightning was actually on the XIV world. I can see this being canon to Nier:A.

Same as Noctis.

Griselbrand · May 7, 2020

Dyno said:
I'll be honest. Waste of an entire expacs worth of raids. Really boring visually and slow as hell, boring designs on the bosses. Amazing game however.

I kind of agree. Mechanically it's a pretty fun raid, I've enjoyed it on GNB and DNC. But visually it's whatever. I wish they had gone with something original like Void Ark, even if the first tier was also pretty boring.

Visually. I can't get over how much it clashes with the rest of FFXIV. The rest of the game is such a mix of different styles already (Allagan, Alexandrian, Garlean and so on) but the Nier stuff just doesn't quite fit to me.

Hellsing321 · May 7, 2020

B.K. said:
No. It's just like the Ivaliace raids from Stormblood. They take the characters and concepts from Nier and make them fit into the Final Fantasy XIV world and lore. XIV and Nier aren't in the same universe.

But thats boring :P I need FFXIV to be included in the Yoko Taro cinematic universe!

Etrian Darkness · May 7, 2020

The best part of this raid series is we got a 2B thong that gives us a better ass.

antitrop · May 7, 2020

Hellsing321 said:
But thats boring :P I need FFXIV to be included in the Yoko Taro cinematic universe!

I wish that bug with the red dragon was a real thing. :P

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