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WaPo is reporting that the White House is open to narrowing who qualifies for relief checks BUT is unwilling to reduce the amount from $1,400 per person:

White House open to narrowing stimulus payments, not lowering payments from $1,400 per person - The Washington Post

February 2, 2021

The White House is open to narrowing eligibility for the next round of stimulus payments but not lowering those payments below $1,400 per person, according to a White House spokeswoman.

Congressional Republicans and even some centrist Democrats have in recent days raised concerns that President Biden's proposal to send another round of stimulus checks would give government aid to affluent Americans who do not need it.

Biden has publicly expressed willingness to negotiate the stimulus payments, which under Democrats' current plans would begin to diminish at $75,000 for individuals and couples making $150,000 a year. Biden is also aiming to provide $1,400 per every adult and child under that threshold, on top of the $600 per adult and child approved by Congress in December.

A group of 10 Senate Republicans trying to strike a bipartisan compromise on a stimulus plan has proposed both lowering the income thresholds on the payments — to $50,000 for individuals and $100,000 for couples — and reducing the size of the checks from $1,400 to $1,000.

During the bipartisan meeting at the White House on Monday, White House officials expressed openness to lowering the income threshold on the payments but will not accept reducing the size of the checks, two people briefed on the discussions said. These people spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations with White House staff.

"The President remains committed to finishing the job on delivering $2,000 in direct relief to Americans who are struggling to make ends meet during this crisis," Rosemary G. Boeglin, a White House spokeswoman, said in a statement.

Still, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki added at her press briefing on Tuesday that Biden is wary of limiting the income thresholds on the payments too dramatically. For instance, she said Biden believes a nurse and a teacher jointly earning $120,000 a year in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Pa., still "should get a check." Biden reiterated this commitment in a meeting with White House aides on Tuesday, she said.

"That is in his plan," Psaki said. "People need to get the relief they need."

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), a member of the bipartisan group, also said in an interview that Biden demonstrated willingness to negotiate with Republicans over more narrowly targeting the income threshold for the stimulus payments.

"He instructed and told us, 'Let's follow up,'" Capito said. "No promises made, and no real concessions made at the time, but certainly a greater understanding of where we are."
 

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If you means test it appropriately you keep inflation in check and reduce the debt increase.

If you set the limit too low, you risk a slow recovery.

I say don't means test it.
 

jml

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Why not just send them out to everyone and then tax it from the people "who didn't need it" later on
 

PMS341

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Means testing isn't worth it at all. Just cut the checks.
 

Heysoos

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Jesus Christ 🤦‍♂️ I don't know why they're choosing to die on this hill
 

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Lowering??? That was a question????

If you're limiting the targeting, why not make it a full $2,000? What's the point otherwise?
 

Slayven

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They better keep adult depenedents, that was fucking travesty they cut them out. A lot of people taking care of their parents or disabled adult children
 

Steel

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imagine thinking people who make 50K dont need help. Out of fucking touch.
The number I saw tossed around was to make 75k the start of the drop off but also...

100% think this is just talk and will not show up in any tangible form in legislation but nonetheless we'll have a massive thread where a circular argument starts.
 

Orayn

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He's totally gonna cave and give the Republicans the $40,000 cutoff isn't he
 

Pwnz

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Nice tactic. That's kryptonite to the Republicans if that's their contribution - fucking over struggling middle class families.
 

Zoe

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That's BS. They can no longer claim they're connected to the $600 checks if they do this.

For those who don't know the context,

www.resetera.com

Cutting off stimulus checks to Americans earning over $75,000 could be wise, new data suggests

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/26/spending-stimulus-checks/ Paywalled, but added choice excerpts. Idk, I'm against this lol. But I can see the logic here. Its not like folks going on vacation or anything--en masse at least.
And that was a faulty study that cut off before many even received their checks.
 

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NPVinny

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They better keep adult depenedents, that was fucking travesty they cut them out. A lot of people taking care of their parents or disabled adult children

Yep, my roommate has a friend in a similar situation where they are taking care of a disabled sibling and they haven't gotten anything.
 

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Lowering??? That was a question????

If you're limiting the targeting, why not make it a full $2,000? What's the point otherwise?

I guess they just really want to tie it to something that passed under the Trump administration, for whatever reason. They should just send the $2000 and then immediately look at the next relief + backpay, but we all know this is the last check being cut lol.
 

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Still, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki added at her press briefing on Tuesday that Biden is wary of limiting the income thresholds on the payments too dramatically. For instance, she said Biden believes a nurse and a teacher jointly earning $120,000 a year in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Pa., still "should get a check." Biden reiterated this commitment in a meeting with White House aides on Tuesday, she said.

"That is in his plan," Psaki said. "People need to get the relief they need."

Sen. Shelley Moore Capito (R-W.Va.), a member of the bipartisan group, also said in an interview that Biden demonstrated willingness to negotiate with Republicans over more narrowly targeting the income threshold for the stimulus payments.

"He instructed and told us, 'Let's follow up,'" Capito said. "No promises made, and no real concessions made at the time, but certainly a greater understanding of where we are."

So he didn't outright say "No" but basically said "No" and we're going to freak out about it.
 

Wolf

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I know a lot of people who will not vote for democrats again if they don't get a check.

This is a mistake.
 

scitek

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The problem is they're going off of what people made two years ago. Those people are not necessarily making the same amount now, so why take the chance on fucking some of them over?
 

Aaronrules380

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imagine thinking people who make 50K dont need help. Out of fucking touch.
To be fair being open to lowering the cap doesn't mean being open to go as low as the Republicans did. Republicans proposal started dropping the total amount after 40,000 with nothing after $50k. Whereas from what I gather here Biden's current proposal only starts diminishing after 75k. There's a lot of room there where you could lower Biden's cap and still end up with it significantly higher than the republican proposal
 

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Before everyone starts doom posting.

The White House is open to narrowing eligibility for the next round of stimulus payments but not lowering those payments below $1,400 per person, according to a White House spokeswoman.

Still, White House spokeswoman Jen Psaki added at her press briefing on Tuesday that Biden is wary of limiting the income thresholds on the payments too dramatically. For instance, she said Biden believes a nurse and a teacher jointly earning $120,000 a year in Biden's hometown of Scranton, Pa., still "should get a check." Biden reiterated this commitment in a meeting with White House aides on Tuesday, she said.

According to Census, 81.4% of households make less than $150K so the overwhelming majority of families would get the checks.
 

NPVinny

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This is really fucking simple.

You campaigned on $2000. Not $1400 + $600, not $1400 but only if you happen to make a certain amount and for damn sure not less than $1400.

Give the people $2000, no means testing. If after that you want to start nitpicking COVID relief, fine, whatever. But you have to keep your promises if you want to keep office.
 

mugurumakensei

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If it's restricted, it's gonna be something like individuals making over 150k, couples making 250-300k+, and families making 400k+
 

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Isn't this the same thread basically as the think tank one? And of course people here are taking that as gospel and that Dems are bad? Even though Biden is quite firm on the cost of the package as it is. Which means it isn't coming down. Which means this new income threshold doesn't actually seem to be a thing?
 
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