Hey let's kill hundreds upon hundreds of intelligent creatures because people in the past did that. Seems reasonable.
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Faroe Islands brutally slaughters 1,428 dolphins for "tradition"
- Thread starter Sheepinator
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User Warned: Whataboutism, Modwhining
Will I get banned for pointing out that far more dolphins die getting caught in tuna nets?
User Banned (1 Day): Modwhining Over Multiple Posts, Continued Thread Derail
Sorry Bobby, that's whataboutism. This thread only for calling other cultures barbaric. This is not a safe space for introspection or action. /s
I am generally pretty lenient on differences in culture. Especially in what they eat. Cows are holy in some countries and dogs are eaten in others.
But its hard to defend this seeing as how most people there don't eat them and from everything I have read about it dolphin and whale meat is toxic with mercury so there are better ways to feed poor families without poisoning them.
In general though I think hunting is not a bad thing. I will never do it but I think it makes sense to get closer to the animals we are eating on a daily basis. To have no connection with them makes us really take it for granted.
But its hard to defend this seeing as how most people there don't eat them and from everything I have read about it dolphin and whale meat is toxic with mercury so there are better ways to feed poor families without poisoning them.
In general though I think hunting is not a bad thing. I will never do it but I think it makes sense to get closer to the animals we are eating on a daily basis. To have no connection with them makes us really take it for granted.
I mean, put up a thread on dolphins being caught in tuna nets and the impact that shipping industries have on wildlife and I'm sure you'll have responses that are critical of it. What about the act of going out in high speed boats and murdering a pod of 1,428 dolphins in one go, which one article put as being the largest super-pod recorded in the area, isn't cruel?
Yep, embarrassing display by the mod.
What a sad thing to read, you'd be surprised by how intelligent animals like pigs are.
Or we could frame related things in their broader context and discuss them that way, but I guess that's whataboutism.
The idea that people can't be critical of smaller-scale issues because larger ones exist is odd. There are a number of threads here on the meat industry each year, and those issues are discussed. This one is about an event where a large super-pod of dolphins were slaughtered in a single go.
Definitely, this is a massive horrifying waste but hopefully this is the exception and not the rule. Maybe it will lead to some controls being put in place on any future hunts. I really hope so!
Like the other guy the posted here, do you THINK we aren't AWARE of that already? Do you THINK we don't ALSO CONDEMN such shitty practices? Seriously, what do you people THINK we are, Trump Supporting, Right-wing, one-track-minded, selfish hard-heads? Do you KNOW where you are?!
Murdering 1,428 dolphins is incredibly cruel. I'm not for it at all.
But if a forum that claims to be anti-racist is going to call other cultures "barbaric", then that better come with a ton of introspection from every white person in this thread before they click 'Post' about how systemic racism impacts their perception of animal cruelty. If calling another culture "barbaric" for their animal cruelty doesn't simultaneously come with unlearning your own culture's justifications for animal abuse, the word for that is "racism".
Tuna nets, and all ways in which dolphins are needlessly killed, are 100% relevant to a thread where users are mask-off allowed to call other cultures "barbaric" (on an allegedly LEFTIST forum) for the way they kill dolphins. I expect far better from ERA and any forum that claims to be anti-racist. I also expect a thread warning because ofcourse talking about this is offlimits.
Edit: changed "animal abuse" to "animal cruelty" in a few places for consistency of topic.
The particular act of slaughtering 1,428 dolphins is what I would refer to as being barbaric. Their culture, which no doubt extends far beyond this single act, needn't be as a consequence. Similarly the tradition of old likely had natural restraints in ability to herd and kill large numbers, alongside more necessity to the local population. So it's not a constant going back through time either. I'm against animal cruelty in my own country too, like in the form of fox hunting. A majority-white event which itself is ascribed to tradition and given a laundry list of reasons as to why it should continue in its present form. This is also regarded as barbaric, as it is equally cruel.
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Only right-wing, dense as fuck Trump supporters (and others not-Trump supporters that tend to align with such selfish beliefs) wouldn't CARE. I think the mistake made by some of these posters in this thread is the ASSUME we don't care.
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You make some good points. I think there's a danger though of conflating the existence of the event with the scale of this particular event. If they just killed the usual few dozen and let the rest go I doubt we'd see many headlines around the world condemning the event. It sounds like the local population isn't in full agreement either.
Also worth noting that centuries ago the tradition didn't involve jetskis.
Absolutely, I made that point in a another post, this is definitely considered outside the realm of normal and I wasn't trying to defend this one particular hunt. I'm not sure why this one ended with such huge numbers but there's obviously some thinking to be done on the part of those that support this if they want to continue to do it.
Not a fan of killing animals that are not eaten.
If all the meat was turned to food, I'd shrug my shoulders and go on my merry way. I eat meat, after all.
However, it sounds like most of this goes to waste and only some of it is used for food.
Excessive killing + cruel killing (torture, etc) are no-nos in my book.
If all the meat was turned to food, I'd shrug my shoulders and go on my merry way. I eat meat, after all.
However, it sounds like most of this goes to waste and only some of it is used for food.
Excessive killing + cruel killing (torture, etc) are no-nos in my book.
I get the reason why the mod wants to limit this kind of posting lol, but that's damn unnecessarily aggressive. Wrong judgement call here
He is just pointing out that because there were some gruesome photographs and because this is not an event that happens all the time it got publicity, even though it's much less impactful than what we do with other animals.
Nobody is stating that this should continue, but the zero amount of care and nuance that goes into essentially crucifying a small isolated community that nobody ever heard or interacted with here is quite stupid. Just as a reminder, a Reddit post was quoted here that goes deeper into this but everyone is willfully ignoring it.
It's also extremely strange to say "just go to the supermarket" in response. I thought people here who are so vocal about stuff like this know already how normalized animal cruelty is already.
I swear that here sometimes people just want their two minutes of hate. There could've been an intelligent discussion here about animal cruelty here, but instead we got this because people can't read a few lines about it to make actual conversation.
Because yeah, I wish sometimes that people would actually invest their anger into things that matter on the large scale, make actual conversations, and not be done after writing a "fuck XY" comment on the internet. That is whataboutism, okay, I just wanted to share my opinion too.
Just seen he got banned that's great to see
that post triggered me, it wasn't the whataboutism but they where he attacked that poster
This is fucking disgusting. How the hell can this happen in 2021? Just 250 miles north of the UK as well.
We should ban all trade and tourism with this island until it stops.
We should ban all trade and tourism with this island until it stops.
