And Cal Ripken Jr. I am sure he has been present at 1200 board meeting in a row.
"Fallout 1st players are easily identifiable by their icons, their covetable gear, and special moves only available to top-paying members. Even doing one of those special dances is license for a beatdown now, said one player who claimed to have been "beaten up when I decided to do the Mothman emote [a premium-only dance move] in Vault 51. At least 5 -7 people in teddy bear costumes kept punching me."
LMFAO.
I'm sorry why are we supporting toxicity to fellow gamers
I understand some of you are frustrated with Bethesda but Jeezus
Going out of your way to make other players suffer is the very definition of griefing, which is a symptom of a toxic community.
When the community is split in two and starts to fight amongst themselves over a subscription service, you can guarantee the community is becoming toxic. Outside of the game as well. Now, you could say this is Bethesda's fault for leaving the game in the current state, but players are not forced to hunt premium subscribers for some twisted sense of vendetta. It's not going to stop Bethesda from having a premium subscription, at best they will make changes to the game to protect subscribers.
Icons, clothes, moves and unique bases.Time to purge.
So all Bethesda has to do is get rid of the icon for the 1st players and nobody would know who's a 1st member.
Going out of your way to make other players suffer is the very definition of griefing, which is a symptom of a toxic community.
When the community is split in two and starts to fight amongst themselves over a subscription service, you can guarantee the community is becoming toxic. Outside of the game as well. Now, you could say this is Bethesda's fault for leaving the game in the current state, but players are not forced to hunt premium subscribers for some twisted sense of vendetta. It's not going to stop Bethesda from having a premium subscription, at best they will make changes to the game to protect subscribers.
Targeting players is toxicity period
JFC the mental gymnastics here
Targeting players who are spending $13 for a game they may legitimately enjoy is not toxic?
So part of how the actual game is supposed to be played is to grief players who wanted these extra benefits? Interestingin a game like Fallout as far as I see it this is part of how the actual game is supposed to be played, no?
Not trying to be disingenuous here, I've just never seen toxic used in such a context but maybe it's just ignorance on my behalf and if so I'd very much appreciate it if you'd point it out!
No one is arguing that being able to kill other players is toxic, that is silly. People are saying rampant griefing is toxic. When a group of players is actively targeting another group, that is not a game feature, that is a community trait. In this case, killing other players becomes harassment when they are actually being hunted for being premium subscribers. Griefing is a actually an issue devs try to tackle when developing their multiplayer games, because it's completely caused by the players and it's something that could hamper people's enjoyment.I personally see it as toxic going by the way I've seen people use the word before, no. Or rather, if it is every single MMORPG or any game that allows you to kill/rob/whatever someone else I've ever played is absurdly toxic. Toxic for me is something like LoL or CoD which are games I love playing but end up playing very little because of the constant harrassing I'm subjected to for being a woman (avoid overtly female usernames, gals) or because I'm not playing at the skill level someone wants me to be. That is completely unrelated to the game itself, in a game like Fallout as far as I see it this is part of how the actual game is supposed to be played, no?
Not trying to be disingenuous here, I've just never seen toxic used in such a context but maybe it's just ignorance on my behalf and if so I'd very much appreciate it if you'd point it out!
Paying $12.99/month for something hardly qualifies as being rich, so if you're going to bring actual class conflict into this, at least have the notion that this ain't it, chief. We're in a gaming forum, we're all privileged enough to be able to spend money on something as frivolous as games.itt: people defending rich kids butthurt that their privilege cant protect them from the common people.
It makes me sad to think that people have dumped $160 (or more, hello Atom Shop) into this dumpster fire of a game.Fallout 76: $60*
Fallout First: $100
Being able to tell that story about the time you were pummeled by an angry gang of bears: priceless
*yes I know you can get it for less that's not the point neeeeeerd
So part of how the actual game is supposed to be played is to grief players who wanted these extra benefits? Interesting
No one is arguing that being able to kill other players is toxic, that is silly. People are saying rampant griefing is toxic. When a group of players is actively targeting another group, that is not a game feature, that is a community trait. In this case, killing other players becomes harassment when they are actually being hunted for being premium subscribers. Griefing is a actually an issue devs try to tackle when developing their multiplayer games, because it's completely caused by the players and it's something that could hamper people's enjoyment.
If you play New Vegas without going out of your way to fuck over both the Legion and Mr. House, you're playing it wrong, just saying.I've never played it, I have no idea... but having played Fallout 1, 2, 3 and New Vegas I assume actively targetting others is part of the game, no?
Get out with that defensive tone jab and the "are we teenagers here?"I've never played it, I have no idea... but having played Fallout 1, 2, 3 and New Vegas I assume actively targetting others is part of the game, no? This sort of stuff was already around back when I played UO in the late 90s and is something I've seen in every MMORPG I've ever played (none at all for the past 13 years, admittedly) that allows for it. That the targetting stems from external causes could indeed classify it as something else but since these external causes have direct implications within the game itself (and only there) I honestly don't see what's so out of place here. Also, what's with the derisive tone, are we teenagers here?
Get out with that defensive tone jab and the "are we teenagers here?"
nice personal attack. Classy stuff
Fallout 1st players are easily identifiable by their icons, their covetable gear, and special moves only available to top-paying members. Even doing one of those special dances is license for a beatdown now, said one player who claimed to have been "beaten up when I decided to do the Mothman emote [a premium-only dance move] in Vault 51. At least 5 -7 people in teddy bear costumes kept punching me."
The word toxicity is starting to mean absolutely nothing. This is an online multiplayer game where players fighting other players is a fundamental design.I'm sorry why are we supporting toxicity to fellow gamers
I understand some of you are frustrated with Bethesda but Jeezus
Well it is a PvP game.
How long until they start selling security guard packs for fallout first subscribers? Really bring that class warfare to the next level.
That's not much better tbh esp since I thought it was an interesting concept that the game was "supposed" to be griefing players.Inquiring about your derisive (not defensive) tone ≠ ad hominem. Don't be disingenuous...
Idk I understand that PvP is part of the game.The word toxicity is starting to mean absolutely nothing. This is an online multiplayer game where players fighting other players is a fundamental design.
Don't reply to me you filthy poor casual
Do I have to honestly put /s on that ridiculous statement, come on.
itt: people defending rich kids butthurt that their privilege cant protect them from the common people.
What fundamental design is there for attacking other players? And how is it better or worse than this?Idk I understand that PvP is part of the game.
This isn't a fundamental design
Fair enough :)Yes. This is ERA afterall, and a bunch of the posts before yours are basically unironically saying what you said in jest. Like the genius below.
Where do you live that paying the cost of a fast food meal for a service makes you rich and privileged? And the common people, really?
Some of you guys need to lay off the pipe.