I don't really know anything about Dreams but seeing this makes me wonder what would be possible on the dialogue front (i.e options, skill checks) and with objective/quest design.
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Fallout 4 Made in Dreams
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Insanity.
Dreams isn't for me but wow, the creatives are going to have a field day with it. Amazing.
Dreams isn't for me but wow, the creatives are going to have a field day with it. Amazing.
There's really nothing in Dreams that will prevent you from doing things like dialogue trees and quests etc.
You aren't limited to prefab game styles or anything like that, the logic system is powerful enough to implement virtually any mechanic if you are clever enough. In the case of dialogue specifically - there actually is a prebuilt system to help build these, but you are totally free to ignore that and invent your own.
The hard limits are really:
- How many elements can you place in the scene before you hit a thermo (aka Memory) limit. This makes it hard to do really large and detailed open worlds without splitting it up into multiple scenes (with a load screen inbetween).
- Variables are required to save progress between scenes, but you can only have 128 variables (ignoring the fancy tricks you can do to exceed this number).
- Can't do online multiplayer yet
They should call it CharDee MacDennis, cuz it's the game of games.
Shuhei's thoughts on Dreams PSVR
Image of Shuhei playing Dreams with PSVR
MMO
"You can make 100 levels in a map, each with 100 levels, and you can put 100 of those in 100 maps. So you can make a level with 100 to the power of 4, which is 100,000,000 levels long."
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Playing a game you enjoy isn't what I'd consider 'work'.
Also the 'cred' is more compensation than he'd get playing COD.
I don't think you get the appeal of Dreams and that's fine.
I wish I had the creativity to make something in Dreams, but I would get stuck on what the heck to make. This is seriously impressive, I remember seeing what people did with LBP years after the fact. I can only imagine what years of experience in Dreams will allow people to make.
Yeah I see so many threads of remakes
MM: you guys can make literally anything you want with this
every thread I've seen on ERA: *worse/more janky version of existing game*
I don't have Dreams but it'd be nice to see original content signal boosted once in a while
I love that your takeaway is that people would want to prefer these to their original counterparts and not that the responses are impressed by what they managed to accomplish versus a bespoke game using traditional development.
I mean yeah I get that, and maybe it's just a phase and people are doing this to show what's possible with Dreams, and later in its life more original content will get the spotlight
tbf that's what gets shared a lot since it's interesting to discuss. If you scroll through the actual game it's far from the majority. And like you said there will only be more and more original stuff, it's a very new game
There are lots of threads about original content made in Dreams, the most prominent probably being Ruckus.
If you owned Dreams you would even see that >90% of all games are new IPs.
Copying is a great way of learning and can motivate. It's done in the practice of virtually all the arts.
Apparently, the efforts of someone try to copy a game and make it functional in DREAMS wasn't understandable to some...
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As someone who got into the industry through LBP created content, can't wait to see what more comes out of Dreams with all the talent out there (and potentially get jobs from it)! Maybe one day I'll find the time to sit down and make something in here as well. xD
And for people who are wondering about all this copying or these "games" will never match up to the actual ones, from a creative standpoint, it's always fun seeing how far you can get with something creative like Dreams/LBP/etc. Of course, you need to keep your expectations in check whether or not you're creating or playing, but doing something like this without having to fire up your PC is still pretty cool. Dropping the barrier of entry to creating things like this is always great for the industry.
And for people who are wondering about all this copying or these "games" will never match up to the actual ones, from a creative standpoint, it's always fun seeing how far you can get with something creative like Dreams/LBP/etc. Of course, you need to keep your expectations in check whether or not you're creating or playing, but doing something like this without having to fire up your PC is still pretty cool. Dropping the barrier of entry to creating things like this is always great for the industry.
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Because that is what interested the creator and what he ultimately wanted to do. 'Logic', if you want to call it that, doesn't come into it.
this is why its true purpose is being accessible across pc/tablets/phones like Roblox. It's main audience should be 3-15 year olds who don't game on a PlayStation already.
my 4 year old devours Roblox daily. He watches other kids YouTube videos about it. He knows about Minecraft and Mario and Pennywise and Batman only because of Roblox games.
I'm not saying there isn't value to admiring the creation side of Dreams, absolutely there is.
but if the goal is to actually have the creations be fun and playable to a wide audience, you aren't going to get that from the core PlayStation userbase. You are mostly just going to get intense admiration for creations that expertly mimic other existing games.
Very few ps4 gamers are actually going to fully play through this Fallout 4 recreation ( I imagine?) but I suppose that really isn't the point if Dreams right now, it's currently more of a showcase of user created possibilities.
Quoting myself.
Not Dante, but she would be enough with more polish & design.
Not Dante, but she would be enough with more polish & design.
It's the same developer as Little Big Planet, over 10 years later. This is the latest evolution of their creative community tools and platforms. It's way, WAY beyond what Little Big Planet could achieve.
Apparently the core campaign is great and way better than LBP, too.
